Ugh, As If! - contemporary art and culture podcast

Lisa Fevral

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Lisa and Bissistant talk about contemporary art in cultural context, featuring segments on artists/art pieces, music, films and pop culture tidbits. (No reading of art wiki pages out loud into a mic here, this is not a pod for the bourgeois nitwits) lisafevral.substack.com

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Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Lisa and Bissistant connect art, film and celebrity culture through funny, combative criticism alert to the politics beneath appealing images.

Lisa and Bissistant treat cultural criticism as an argument between friends who have arrived with opinions, references and little patience for received wisdom.

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A Grammys outfit becomes a Degas argument, for anyone whose group chat needs better art history.

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  • your celebrity fashion discourse to raise questions about the female nude in art
  • someone to question a gallery's curatorial statements and notice the opening's strange vibe
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Severance - Artworks and art direction (Season 1) - 3x18

A sharp, unruly take on Severance that ties its ethics and world-building together.

Ugh, As If! treats Severance season one less like recap and more like a conversation about ethics. It keeps circling the show's world, its moral logic, and the odd childbirth material, while also using the three-year gap between seasons to make a sharper point: long absences can…

WHERE ARE ALLLL THE THINKERS???😩 - 3x23

A blunt, loose art-world roast that runs through pop culture and criticism with plenty of attitude.

The episode opens with a face reveal and settles fast into a blunt pose: it is here to be ruthless about artists who seem far too full of themselves.

Hellsa and other alter egos(Lynn Hershman Leeson&Roberta Breitmore) - 3x14

A sharp look at alter egos in art and music, especially when a persona starts to outgrow the person who made it.

This episode treats alter egos as more than a gimmick in art and music, moving from Blackpink and Childish Gambino to Lynn Hershman Leeson and Roberta Breitmore. It asks where a made identity begins to do real cultural work, and where it is still just style.

How did you finally "GET" Art? - 3x11

A sharp, scrappy conversation about art's price, process, and the absurdity of being judged for trying.

Two voices work through the rough, funny business of making art: what materials cost, what judgment feels like, and how hard it is to keep working while broke and watched.

Photoshoot horror stories - 3x17

A sharp backstage cautionary tale about looking past the polished first impression.

This episode treats horror stories from photo shoots as more than gossip. The hosts are tired, profane, and funny, and that gives the whole thing a scrappy feel as they turn one backstage mess into a wider lesson about how fast a booking can go wrong.

Bissistant wrote Avatar(the blue guys) - 4x15

An Avatar joke turns into a loose, opinionated talk about disagreement, politeness, and saying the uncomfortable thing out loud.

The episode starts with an Avatar joke about the blue aliens, then settles into a talk about taste, disagreement, and how hard it can be to say things plainly. The hosts let the bit run long enough to matter, and the family conversation gives the episode its shape.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Vanity Fair White House photoshoot - 4x11

    Hidden gem

    Christopher Anderson's Vanity Fair White House photoshoot becomes a larger argument about photography, criticism, and how public figures are seen online.

    ·46m·2 clips
  2. 2

    Finally, a jewellery heist! (Margaret Keane and Yoshimoto Nara) - 4x06

    ·49m
  3. 3

    Futurists - the original mechanophiles - 3x15

    ·1h 6m
  4. 4

    Monopolization and Ensh*tification of Culture - 4x09

    Hidden gem

    This episode jumps from a Samsung smart-fridge ad that reportedly sent a UK woman to hospital to a longer argument about AI-generated media, monopolized culture, and the feeling that everything online is becoming harder to trust.

    ·46m·3 clips
  5. 5

    Diary of a CEO(AKA psycho) - 4x13

    Hidden gem

    The episode centers on criticism of a Diary of a CEO discussion about men who may “die out of the gene mating pool,” where the speaker objects to comparing non-procreation with cancer or virus survival.

    ·41m
  6. 6

    GRAMMYs 2025 and Degas paintings - 3x13

    Hidden gem

    They start with the Grammys and then pivot hard into Degas.

    ·1h 6m·4 clips
  7. 7

    Nationalism in/out of art is not gonna save us - 4x14

    The episode centers on the speaker’s dispute with a woman named Masha, after an Access Gallery post announced the speaker as vice president of the board of directors and sparked comments about the speaker being Russian-Canadian.

    ·44m·3 clips
  8. 8

    How did you finally "GET" Art? - 3x11

    Lisa and Bissistant share personal stories about their journeys into art, discussing the high costs of art school, technical challenges like film photography, and how they transitioned from sentimental to conceptual works.

    ·54m·5 clips
  9. 9

    Fiona Apple, Zemfira, and art concepts about justified anger - 4x16

    The episode explores confessional and conceptual music by women and non-binary artists, focusing on themes of gender-based violence, power dynamics, and cultural differences.

    ·42m·3 clips
  10. 10

    American Xiaohongshu migration, propaganda posters and scary rich ppl parties - 3x10

    Hosts discuss the migration of Americans to the Chinese app Xiaohongshu after TikTok bans, exploring cross-cultural exchanges and propaganda revelations.

    ·52m·4 clips
  11. 11

    Everyone is lying about Yugoslavian Spomeniks - SPOMENIKI VOL.I - 4x07

    Hidden gem

    The episode argues that Yugoslav spomeniks are being misread through abstract expressionism and Western art-history frameworks, with the speaker repeatedly pushing back against that timeline.

    ·43m·2 clips
  12. 12

    the SNL demogorgon and marketing stunts - 4x12

    Hidden gem

    The episode pairs a critique of an SNL Stranger Things sketch with a separate takedown of Timothée Chalamet’s Marty Supreme publicity campaign.

    ·41m·2 clips
  13. 13

    Bissistant got sucked into a cult - 3x21

    Hidden gem

    The episode centers on a Mexico resort trip where a birthday stay turns into repeated pressure to attend a two-hour concierge meeting and a sales pitch.

    ·43m·2 clips
  14. 14

    Eugenics in your jeans ad? It's more likely than you think! - 4x04

    Hidden gem

    Sydney Sweeney’s American Eagle denim campaign is the trigger for a long argument about “genes” versus “genes,” a crossed-out “great genes” poster, and why the speaker reads the ad as deliberate rather than accidental.

    ·35m·2 clips
  15. 15

    Where we've been😛😛😛(270 gap years of the 2020s) - 3x20

    Hidden gem

    Lisa opens by addressing a long absence, health issues, and a birthday trip to Mexico before turning to the Lapu Lapu festival in Vancouver and the grief it caused in the Filipino community.

    ·43m·2 clips
  16. 16

    Sabrina's nonsense album cover(and Sydney Sweeney while we at it)-4x02

    Hidden gem

    The hosts spend much of this Sabrina Carpenter discussion on the album cover for "Man's Best Friend," arguing that the image is being defended with the wrong art terms.

    ·1h 3m·4 clips
  17. 17

    Spomeniks' real meaning is anti-fascism - 4x08

    Hidden gem

    Ugh, As If!

    ·40m·2 clips
  18. 18

    Game of Pantomimes(a horror photoshoot gig) - 4x17

    ·57m
  19. 19

    Traditioning: the classic media personality story - 4x03

    Hidden gem

    The hosts start with a heat complaint, an ice cream truck, and a joke about who can actually tolerate the weather.

    ·1h 12m·4 clips
  20. 20

    Severance - Artworks and art direction (Season 1) - 3x18

    The episode takes on Severance as a season-one discussion first and foremost.

    ·52m·3 clips
  21. 21

    Bissistant wrote Avatar(the blue guys) - 4x15

    Hidden gem

    She opens with rain, a missing expensive LED mask, and a joke about looking like Miss Nula.

    ·59m·3 clips
  22. 22

    We Heated on that Riva 'til we Lry - the pride and shame of Canadian life - 4x10

    Hidden gem

    The hosts come back loud.

    ·1h 54m·5 clips
  23. 23

    Photoshoot horror stories - 3x17

    The duo starts wiped out and makes the exhaustion part of the joke.

    ·57m·3 clips
  24. 24

    Anora and film industry's obsession with SW - 3x16

    The hosts finally sit down with Onora after putting it off for weeks, maybe months.

    ·1h 9m·4 clips
  25. 25

    WHERE ARE ALLLL THE THINKERS???😩 - 3x23

    Hidden gem

    The hosts open with a face reveal and immediately promise to be ruthless.

    ·1h 6m·4 clips
  26. 26

    You must bounce on it, crazy boss babe style(Nosferatu and Babygirl) - 3x12

    Hidden gem

    The hosts open with *A Short Introduction to Beauty* and then quickly move into *Babygirl* and *Nosferatu*.

    ·59m·4 clips
  27. 27

    2 dumps - Elle Fanning's dumptruck and Adrien Brody's caca art - 3x24

    Hidden gem

    It opens with mic panic and camera panic.

    ·59m·3 clips
  28. 28

    Hellsa and other alter egos(Lynn Hershman Leeson&Roberta Breitmore) - 3x14

    Hidden gem

    They start with a disclaimer and a joke.

    ·1h 1m·4 clips
  29. 29

    "Multiple Realities", an exhibition on Eastern Europe art 1960s-1980s - 4x01

    Hidden gem

    The hosts return to a Vancouver gallery opening they visited earlier and work through the awkward room energy, their jokes, and assorted side complaints before settling into the show’s curatorial framing.

    ·1h 13m·4 clips
  30. 30

    2 vamps 1 tramp: Camille Paglia - 3x22

    Hidden gem

    The hosts spend the episode taking shots at Camille Paglia and the kind of prestige that gets mistaken for depth.

    ·1h 3m·4 clips
  31. 31

    Firing people you don't like online - 3x19(Vooglam)

    Hidden gem

    The episode begins with a VUGLAM sponsorship and a five-pair glasses try-on, including a classic pair, a white-and-black diagonal frame, a purple rectangular pair that feels like a "cartoon character" look, and leopard-print handles.

    ·33m·2 clips
  32. 32

    Taylor and Charli can both f/ off tbh - 4x05

    Hidden gem

    The episode returns after the host says she has been away, blaming the workload of a podcast, two YouTube channels, a literature club on Patreon, and constant research-heavy production.

    ·49m·3 clips
  33. 33

    A soviet cartoon for kids about overthrowing greedy bourgeois class - 4x18

    The hosts discuss Soviet animation, focusing on the cartoon Chipolina and its recent viral clip.

    Apr 15, 2026·33m
  34. 34

    The Surrealist Revolution - did it succeed? - 3x09

    The host discusses surrealism as an art movement, its origins after WWI, its popular perception, and its connection to dada, focusing on its intended purpose versus its later reputation.

    Jan 14, 2025·38m
  35. 35

    The art of bringing the war to catalogues - 3x08

    Lisa and Bissistant discuss contemporary art in cultural context, with segments on artists, music, films, and pop culture.

    Jan 6, 2025·46m
  36. 36

    Make better art about love (if you gotta make it at all) - 3x07

    Lisa and Bissistant discuss contemporary art intertwined with pop culture, music, and film in an entertaining, non-academic style.

    Dec 9, 2024·59m
  37. 37

    Why do Gyny tools look like nerf g*ns? - 3x06

    The hosts humorously discuss Timbaland's signature sound, a TikTok parody of his music videos, and his beat-making process with Jay-Z and Kanye West.

    Dec 2, 2024·1h 4m
  38. 38

    Why were ppl surprised by Nara Smith(and Embarrassed future billionaires) - 3x05

    Nov 25, 2024·52m
  39. 39

    Pinky promise to survive - 3x04

    Nov 11, 2024·1h 14m
  40. 40

    Jesus, the original industry plant(Memento Mori) - 3x03

    Nov 4, 2024·1h 9m
  41. 41

    The Substance and Intersectionality - 3x2

    Oct 28, 2024·1h 4m
  42. 42

    Your legacy will be ruined, so don't worry about it - 3x1

    Oct 21, 2024·1h 1m
  43. 43

    I'm a human, and this is my nature - Therefore it's Human Nature. - 2x26 (BONUS)

    Sep 28, 2024·1h 12m
  44. 44

    The cult of suffering (and creative work horror stories) - 2x25(Season BONUS)

    Sep 10, 2024·35m
  45. 45

    Love VS Desire and Death in "The Last Mistress"(Une vieille maîtresse) - 2x24

    Lisa and Bissistant discuss the indie erotic film 'The Last Mistress', analyzing its plot and characters.

    Sep 4, 2024·1h 1m
  46. 46

    Insecurity be gone! (and imposter syndrome too) - 2x23

    Aug 27, 2024·1h 5m
  47. 47

    Is somebody gunna match his fantasFREAK? (Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique")

    Aug 12, 2024·1h 2m
  48. 48

    People with vacant stares - 2x21

    Lisa and Bissistant discuss contemporary art in cultural context with segments on artists, music, films, and pop culture.

    Aug 5, 2024·50m
  49. 49

    My year of rage and reparations - 2x20

    Jul 29, 2024·1h 22m
  50. 50

    No BS creative career/industry advice and "poverty core" - 2x19

    Jul 15, 2024·56m
  51. 51

    Brat summer, and walking like Lorde when she was 10 (iykyk) - 2x18

    Jul 8, 2024·42m
  52. 52

    80s Zines, anti-disco riots and House music roots - 2x17

    May 29, 2024·35m
  53. 53

    Aespa came to cause alien trouble, and Gregory Crewdson loves that - 2x16

    May 19, 2024·39m
  54. 54

    Marina Abramović Rhythm 0, and artists from "undesirable" countries with "desirable" views - 2x15

    The host discusses feeling tired and approaching burnout, reflecting on societal pressures related to aging and economic instability.

    Apr 21, 2024·34m
  55. 55

    The world of repainting fashion dolls with Lolliword

    Lisa and Roman discuss the world of repainting dolls and their collaborative project for Lisa's jewelry business.

    Apr 4, 2024·52m
  56. 56

    Well now you’re just saying anything(Online discourse brainrot and Parasocial relationships)-2x14

    Mar 25, 2024·51m
  57. 57

    Saltburn interpretations and "Against Interpretation" by Susan Sontag

    Dec 3, 2023·45m
  58. 58

    Why we need art/media critics, Red Velvet's "Chill Kill", new Hunger games prequel - 2x12

    Nov 19, 2023·32m
  59. 59

    Victoria's Secret concept work is lacking, Sunmi's Stranger concept is top tier - 2x11

    Oct 22, 2023·33m
  60. 60

    Humour in art and Pauline Boty, a British pop art star

    Oct 8, 2023·31m
  61. 61

    "Girl" terms discourse online and The Irritating Gentleman by Berthold Woltze - 2x09

    Sep 24, 2023·30m
  62. 62

    Art Uni Horror stories with my assistant - 2x08

    Lisa and her assistant discuss art school horror stories and plan a bi-weekly podcast format.

    Sep 17, 2023·1h 5m
  63. 63

    Burn out, creative blocks, and Anna Karenina - 2x07

    Sep 10, 2023·31m
  64. 64

    Synesthesia, Abstract Art, and "Red, White, and Royal Blue" - 2x06

    Sep 5, 2023·33m
  65. 65

    An accidental celebrity culture roast - 2x05

    Aug 27, 2023·36m
  66. 66

    We separated the art from the author, and now they're dead

    Aug 13, 2023·34m
  67. 67

    We support breaking rules, not necks! - 02x03

    Aug 6, 2023·37m
  68. 68

    Andy Warhol flattened people to make them icons - 2x02

    Jul 30, 2023·40m
  69. 69

    Media literacy is dead, bbg - 02x01

    Jul 23, 2023·34m
  70. 70

    Paris Olympics mascot and Swifties' class consciousness - 1x22

    Nov 28, 2022·48m
  71. 71

    Surrealist art of Remedios Varo and Leonora Carrington (ft. Alyssa) - 1x21

    Nov 20, 2022·1h 1m
  72. 72

    Societal normalization of grooming and Cardcaptor Sakura - 1x20

    Nov 9, 2022·56m
  73. 73

    Just Stop Oil and art Vandalism - 1x19

    Nov 1, 2022·55m
  74. 74

    Ultra fast fashion trends and Lolita fashion (ft. Phoebe) - 1x18

    Oct 14, 2022·45m
  75. 75

    The Grotesque in art (ew ew🤭) - 1x17

    Sep 30, 2022·59m
  76. 76

    DADA - what it is, and are memes the new form of it? - 1x16

    Jul 30, 2022·34m
  77. 77

    What is CAMP? - 1x15

    Jul 13, 2022·58m
  78. 78

    Megan Fox and MGK, Taeyong, media training and Millie Bobby Brown - 1x14

    Jun 23, 2022·49m
  79. 79

    What happened to concert ticket prices? - 1x13

    Jun 14, 2022·1h 4m
  80. 80

    Harry Styles, Rosalia, and quantity over quality in media - 1x12

    May 31, 2022·57m
  81. 81

    Picasso, and why we should stop glorifying as*holes - 1x11

    May 17, 2022·55m
  82. 82

    NANA anime/manga discussion - 1x10

    May 4, 2022·1h 30m
  83. 83

    Bridgerton and Rococo art - 1x09

    Apr 18, 2022·34m
  84. 84

    Hieronymus Bosch and Red Velvet - 1x08 (The Garden of Earthly Delights)

    Apr 1, 2022·36m
  85. 85

    Chemo and YOUR art/media hot takes - 1x07

    Dec 7, 2021·51m
  86. 86

    The "start" of Conceptual art, "You" season 3, aespa and BAYLI - 1x06

    Nov 10, 2021·28m
  87. 87

    Sh*tting on an artist I don't like(Vito Acconci) - 1x05

    Oct 17, 2021·39m
  88. 88

    Heathers(1988) and Barbara Kruger - 1x04

    Sep 22, 2021·29m
  89. 89

    Superflat art movement - 1x02

    Sep 12, 2021·54m
  90. 90

    What Art Is Art? (Podcast Intro)- 1x01

    Sep 12, 2021·39m
  91. 91

    Gossip Girl and David Wojnarowicz - 1x03

    Sep 12, 2021·41m