Hang On To Your Hat is a fatherhood show built on conversations between dads, and its strongest moments come when someone simply says how hard a stretch has been. The intro does a lot of work. A voice announces 'you're a naughty boy', and a spoken opening lists the fear, the anger, the confusion and the love of being a modern dad before promising that nobody is in it alone. Derek Myers and Dan Lee are the two names in that opening. The vocabulary is easygoing, all 'blokes', 'mate' and 'stoked', and the talk drifts and doubles back the way it does between friends. The 'Dads In Lockdown' episodes are recorded remotely, in what one intro calls the space studio, or the ether. Adam White calls in from a quarantine hotel in Sydney, and the talk moves to school at home, including a grade-six child who stepped up when a parent was not there to help. Pete Richards describes the friction of a regional lockdown, the need to own his tension when things got heated, and the value of having someone to call for a different perspective. Brooke Penrose, introduced as a musician, artist and studio operator, mentions a friend's jibe that he goes to the toilet just to check his phone. The conversation then gets more honest about creative plans giving way to getting through each day. It is a small, unguarded moment. Paul McIntosh, a father of two with a PhD, brings something more hands-on. Drawing on ACT psychology, he maps what a family values below a line and visible behaviour above it, with a little camera marking what other people could actually see. Off to one side sit the moments that pull a person away from a goal, the feeling of being 'hooked', illustrated with chocolate cake and applied to something as ordinary as quality screen time. Grief runs through other conversations. With Daniel Donahoo, billed in an episode title as an author, speaker and father of four, the talk turns to friends in their late forties who chose to keep speaking about someone who had died rather than hold a funeral and move on, with a nod to a letter Nick Cave answered about loss. The Christmas special, 'And So This IS Christmas - Derek And Dan Reflect On The Year's Guests', has the pair singing and joking about beer before they look back. They single out Warwick, a guest with adult children, and a guest who talked about a long illness with a candour and acceptance that one of them calls extraordinary. For a technique to try at home, the Paul McIntosh conversation is the natural starting point. For the rhythm of Derek and Dan together, the Christmas look-back shows it best.