You Know They Know: The Oakland County Child Killer

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From 1976 to 1977, four children outside of Detroit were abducted, held in captivity, and murdered. You Know They Know chronicles this allegedly-unsolved serial case known as the Oakland County Child Killings, now the subject of the TV show, Children of the Snow (Hulu, 2019), inspired by host J. Reuben Appelman's true-crime book, The Kill Jar (Simon & Schuster, 2018).

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A carpeted hidden room makes you ask for the search warrant before you buy another theory.

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  • to hear J. Reuben Appelman read a search warrant, then question what the paperwork leaves out
  • to trace why a reported hidden room may never have been searched
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Episode 9: Suspect Vince GunnelsJan 5, 2020

A mitochondrial DNA result sharpens attention on Vince Gunnels without closing the case around him.

The episode puts James Vincent Gunnels close to the Oakland County child killer investigation through a mitochondrial DNA result, while stopping short of treating him as the identified source of the hair.

Episode 10: Suspect Arch SloanJan 5, 2020

A disputed hair clue and a convicted child rapist deepen an unresolved Oakland County question.

Arch Sloan is placed at the center of a hard, uneasy question: whether a man serving a life sentence for raping a 10-year-old boy could also be tied to the Oakland County Child Killings. J.

Episode 11: Michigan State Police and Prosecutor's OfficesJan 5, 2020

A stalled handoff of polygraph information tests trust, access, and authority around a revived task force.

The episode follows J. Reuben Appelman as he tries to pass along polygraph information after a year of sleepless nights, only to find that trust is harder to place than urgency is to explain.

Episode 8: Fox Island Predators + Business Insider Reporter, Áine CainNov 18, 2019

A remote island, redacted files, and persistent reporting frame a cold case shaped by distance, money, and power.

Fox Island comes through as a remote place built for concealment: private, hard to reach, dependent on aircraft or boat access, and far enough from Detroit to slow any quick law enforcement check.

Episode 7: Suspect Gregory GreeneNov 13, 2019

A hidden room in Flint becomes the clearest measure of what the investigation may have left unresolved.

Episode 7 finds its center in the hidden room said to have been discovered in the crawl space of a Flint attic after Greg Green's January 1977 arrest.

Episode 3: Search Warrant Part 3 + The Murder of Kristine Mihelich, Victim #3Nov 9, 2019

A search-warrant tip and disputed DNA evidence sharpen the questions around Christine and the Oakland County child-murder investigation.

A search-warrant affidavit gives the episode its entry point into the Oakland County child-murder investigation, linking Detective Corey Williams, polygraph examiner Patrick Coffey, and Larry Wasser through a tip about a subject who allegedly admitted killing one of the…

Episode 1: Search Warrant Part 1 + The Murder of Mark Stebbins, Victim #1Nov 9, 2019

An affidavit, delayed evidence, and disputed handling choices deepen the shadow over Mark Stebbins's case.

The review centers on the Oakland County child-homicide investigation as it turns to the disappearance and death of 12-year-old Mark Douglas Stebbins.

Episode 4: Search Warrant Part 4 + The Murder of Timothy King, Victim #4Nov 9, 2019

A warrant affidavit and a family's memories place Timothy King's murder within the wider Oakland County investigation.

The episode traces how a search-warrant affidavit pulled Timothy King's murder into the wider Oakland County investigation, using photographs, family memory, and the public appeals made during his disappearance.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Episode 9: Suspect Vince Gunnels

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    You Know They Know: The Oakland County Child Killer examines James Vincent Gunnels, who was fifteen when Christopher Bush sexually abused him and later became associated with Bush and Gregory Green.

    Jan 5, 2020·54m·3 clips
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    Episode 11: Michigan State Police and Prosecutor's Offices

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    Jan 5, 2020·1h 1m·4 clips
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    Episode 10: Suspect Arch Sloan

    Hidden gem

    J.

    Jan 5, 2020·51m·3 clips
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    Episode 8: Fox Island Predators + Business Insider Reporter, Áine Cain

    Hidden gem

    J.

    Nov 18, 2019·56m·4 clips
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    Episode 7: Suspect Gregory Greene

    You Know They Know: The Oakland County Child Killer examines the Gregory Green lead through a 2008 City of Livonia report, California records, and interviews with J.

    Nov 13, 2019·1h 6m·4 clips
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    Episode 6: Suicide Scene + Criminologist, Michael Arntfield

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    Nov 12, 2019·55m·3 clips
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    Episode 5: Calling Bull. Commentary on Episodes 1-4

    J.

    Nov 11, 2019·34m·2 clips
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    Episode 4: Search Warrant Part 4 + The Murder of Timothy King, Victim #4

    Hidden gem

    You Know They Know: The Oakland County Child Killer, Episode 4 examines the March 16, 1977 abduction of 11-year-old Timothy King through an interview with his sister Kathy Broad.

    Nov 9, 2019·1h 1m·4 clips
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    Episode 3: Search Warrant Part 3 + The Murder of Kristine Mihelich, Victim #3

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    Nov 9, 2019·1h 13m·5 clips
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    Episode 1: Search Warrant Part 1 + The Murder of Mark Stebbins, Victim #1

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    J.

    Nov 9, 2019·58m·4 clips
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    Episode 2: Search Warrant Part 2 + The Murder of Jill Robinson, Victim #2

    The episode reads a search warrant affidavit detailing a suspect's confession and involvement in the Oakland County Child Killer case.

    Nov 9, 2019·1h 1m