The Unforgiving60

Ben Pronk, DSC & Tim Curtis

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Resilience, pressure, and lessons from unusual lives.

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The Unforgiving60 is a brisk interview show led by Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis, mixing military-earned pragmatism with curiosity about unusual lives. Guests range from soldiers and divers to paramedics, comedians, parents, artists, and leadership thinkers.

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About The Unforgiving60

The Unforgiving60 is an interview show about pressure, endurance, and the small disciplines that help people keep functioning when things get uncomfortable. Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis frame conversations through a military lens, but the show is not trapped inside military culture. It is wider than that. Recent episodes range across Run Army, parenting, freediving, paramedicine, comedy, creativity, soldiering, and leadership systems. The hosts like lived examples. A run is not only a run; it becomes a test of discomfort, example-setting, and whether fitness carries into leadership under strain. A parenting discussion is not softened into lifestyle advice; it becomes a plain conversation about hurry, connection, and the damage done when families never slow down long enough to reset. A paramedic’s work becomes a way to think about composure, logic, reassurance, and transferable judgment. A comedian’s stagecraft becomes a conversation about presence, body language, timing, and holding attention under pressure. The show has a practical spine. Stories matter, but they are usually pulled toward a takeaway: a system, a habit, a mental model, or a better question. The hosts are brisk and familiar with each other, often using a tease or a correction to keep things moving. That looseness helps the serious material breathe. There is room for war-zone ambition, family strain, grief, physical risk, and the strange pride people take in difficult work. There is also room for jokes about bad intros and creaking chairs. The tone lands somewhere between field debrief and long-form conversation. It is analytical without becoming academic, warm without becoming sentimental, and rugged without leaning on bravado. Listeners who like performance lessons, endurance stories, and leadership talk with some dirt under its fingernails will find a lot to work with here.

Made for: For listeners drawn to endurance, leadership, military experience, emergency work, parenting, creativity, and practical self-improvement. It especially suits people who prefer direct conversation over polished motivational packaging.

What sets it apart: The show combines special-operations perspective with a broad guest range, turning soldiering, sport, family life, art, and performance into usable lessons. Its edge is the hosts’ mix of banter, operational thinking, and persistent follow-up.

In their own words

Two ex-special operations guys armed with MBAs seek out people leading lives less ordinary, in order to find out how they fill their ‘unforgiving minutes’, and what helps them go, always, a little further. Like intellectual bowerbirds, they collect shiny little objects of knowledge that will help build better humans. Co-hosted by Ben Pronk, DSC and Tim Curtis.

As heard by us

Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Military experience, practical questioning, and candid humor connect resilience under pressure with the work of staying present at home.

Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis bring a former SAS perspective to conversations about how people handle pressure, pursue difficult goals, and lead through discomfort.

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Ben and Tim turn CO2 tolerance and battlefield ambition into tools you can actually test.

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  • two ex-SAS hosts connecting leadership under strain to the discomfort of your next run
  • breathwork taken past 'just breathe' and into your response to air hunger
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Special Episode! Run Army with Jake EllwoodMar 12, 2026

A plainspoken conversation about running, leadership, and discomfort.

Ben Kronk and Tim Curtis keep the conversation plain and grounded as they circle Run Army and the people who show up for it. The event's 2.4k, 5k, and 10k options give the discussion a practical shape, but the real focus stays on running as a repeatable check on comfort, and on…

Reviving S2E17 – On Parenting with Steve Biddulph, AMJan 23, 2026

Practical parenting advice built around slowing down before the evening runs away.

This episode makes a clear case for a simple parenting truth: hurry tends to crowd out care. Steve Bidoff returns to one steady idea, and the hosts keep it grounded in everyday family life, from after-school scrambling to the small reset of getting home, taking a drink, eating…

Revival of S2E1- SAS Tactics to Fight the Apocalypse - with Mick Neven from the Apocalypse Comedy PodcastJan 22, 2026

An apocalyptic frame gives way to a clean discussion of comedy scenes, stage presence, and live craft.

The episode opens with a year-2100 briefing that stacks viral strains, climate pressure, overpopulation, border closures, and food conflict into a bleak frame.

S5E17- Ashley Semmens: The Clearance Diver who is finning the English ChannelMay 31, 2025

A plainspoken service and endurance story that turns the Channel swim into something tougher.

Ash Simmons tells an endurance story that starts with finning across the English Channel and keeps circling back to military service. Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis keep it moving with teasing and quick pivots, so the harder stretch of the story lands without feeling overworked.

S5E12 - Martin McPhilimey: Take a Deep BreathJun 20, 2024

Breathing, stress, and performance are treated as one practical system.

The episode treats breathing as a practical skill rather than an automatic reflex, and it keeps circling back to how much control people can actually bring to it.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Special Episode! Run Army with Jake Ellwood

    Ben Kronk and Tim Curtis reunite for a special episode with Major General Jake Ellwood.

    Mar 12, 2026·52m·3 clips
  2. 2

    Reviving S2E17 – On Parenting with Steve Biddulph, AM

    Hidden gem

    Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis welcome Steve Bidoff for a conversation about parenting, pace, and the strain of family life.

    Jan 23, 2026·1h 12m·4 clips
  3. 3

    Revival of S2E1- SAS Tactics to Fight the Apocalypse - with Mick Neven from the Apocalypse Comedy Podcast

    Hidden gem

    The Unforgiving60 opens with a mock briefing about the year 2100, where viruses, climate change, overpopulation, and scarcity have pushed the world into World War C.

    Jan 22, 2026·1h 21m·5 clips
  4. 4

    S5E17- Ashley Semmens: The Clearance Diver who is finning the English Channel

    Hidden gem

    Ash Simmons joins Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis for a talk about finning the English Channel.

    May 31, 2025·1h 9m·2 clips
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    S5E16 – Jade MacDonald Razvi: Freediving and ‘EH4AR’

    This episode features an interview with Jade MacDonald-Razvi, a freediver and occupational therapist, discussing her record-breaking freediving achievements and the sport's various aspects.

    Oct 31, 2024·1h 33m
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    S5E15 – Leigh Anderson: The Paramedic Mindset

    This episode features an interview with paramedic Leigh Anderson about his book 'The Paramedic Mindset', exploring how paramedic experiences and mindset can be applied to improve everyday life and build better humans.

    Sep 9, 2024·57m
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    S5E14 – Kat Rae: On Art, Soldiering and Creativity Through Loss

    This episode features an interview with Kat Rae, exploring her unique journey from balancing fine arts and the military to her creative process through loss.

    Jul 25, 2024·1h 8m
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    S5E13 – Bill Lennan: Making us 40% Better

    This episode features an interview with Bill Lennon, who discusses his career journey from Ferrari mechanic to leadership consultant and his philosophy of achieving 40% better performance through Kaizen principles, systems, and incremental improvements.

    Jul 18, 2024·1h 7m
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    S5E12 - Martin McPhilimey: Take a Deep Breath

    Hidden gem

    Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis open with familiar banter before settling into breathing as the day's main subject.

    Jun 20, 2024·1h 10m·2 clips
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    S5E11 – Dr Andrew Bengsen, Removing Ferals!

    Jun 3, 2024·1h 16m
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    S5E10 – Ruth Clare: Courage – and Confidence – through Action

    May 22, 2024·58m
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    S5E9 – Adam Blum is No Easy Target

    May 13, 2024·1h 11m
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    S5E8 – Riana Crehan ‘Suffers Well’; From Supercars to SAS Australia

    May 2, 2024·1h 4m
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    S5E7 – MAJGEN Justin “Jake” Ellwood DSC AM CSC – On Running (an Army Division, the Queensland Reconstruction Authority….and in general!)

    Apr 25, 2024·1h 16m
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    S5E6 – Dr. Luana Main – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of stress and (over)training

    Apr 22, 2024·50m
  16. 16

    @RV31 - Reconciliation, Travel and Reflections on Guests

    Apr 8, 2024·46m
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    S5E5 – Rachel Vickery “Don’t Fix Broken – Create Awesome”

    Mar 15, 2024·1h 28m
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    S5E4– Creativity Builds Resilience: Artists in Foxholes @fova.org.au

    Mar 7, 2024·1h 3m
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    S5E3– Ian Prior: How Professional Athletes Stay In the Arena

    Feb 29, 2024·1h 36m
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    S5E2– Dr Rob Barbour: SAS Doctor Out of Africa

    Feb 22, 2024·1h 24m
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    S5E1B – Jaz Diab – Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part B

    Feb 15, 2024·57m
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    S5E1A – Jaz Diab: Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part A

    Feb 6, 2024·45m
  23. 23

    @RV30 – The Season 5 Kick Off

    Jan 27, 2024·1h 6m
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    Season 5- We are (ALL) back on the cans

    Jan 26, 2024·2m
  25. 25

    Season 5 - And We're Back!

    Jan 26, 2024·2m
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    Special Episode- Vale Tim Robertson: Forever the Chronic Overachiever

    Nov 16, 2023·43m
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    @RV29 – Events and Reflections: The Year in Review

    The hosts, both ex-SAS with MBAs, reflect on the year's episodes and personal insights in their end-of-year wrap-up, using military RV (rendezvous) terminology to frame their discussion.

    Dec 21, 2022·1h 29m
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    S4E21- Ben and Tim on the Golds Gym Podcast

    Dec 12, 2022·1h 9m
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    S4E20 – Senator David Van – Politics and Conflict, at home and abroad

    Nov 17, 2022·51m
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    S4E19 – Brad McIlroy: Beyond the Bali Bombing

    Oct 13, 2022·1h 20m
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    S4E18 – Associate Professor Justine Gatt: Providing a COMPAS to navigate wellbeing and resilience

    Sep 21, 2022·50m
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    S4E17 – Life in Bloom: Sam and Cam Bloom on Life, Adversity, Growth and Love

    Sep 15, 2022·1h 21m
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    S4E16 – David Knoff Redux: 537 Days of Winter in 65 minutes of podcast!

    Aug 24, 2022·1h 4m
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    S4E15 – Beau Miles. Our Famous Backyard Adventurer

    Aug 18, 2022·1h 5m
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    S4E14 – Dr Michael Mumford: Pioneering Medical Marijuana

    Jul 21, 2022·49m
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    S4E13 – How to be Indistractable with Nir Eyal

    Jul 4, 2022·56m
  37. 37

    S4E12 - Mark Wales: Survivor Redux

    Jun 25, 2022·1h 8m
  38. 38

    S4E11 – Cam & Sharn Watts: Foxhole Buddies In the Fight Against PTSD

    Jun 8, 2022·1h 33m
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    S4E10– Meet Liv Robinson v2.0- Beating Anorexia and Dominating Life through Art Therapy

    Jun 3, 2022·1h 3m
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    S4E9–Cleared Hot! Shannon Huffman Polson on flying Apache Gunships, bagging big peaks and being a badass

    May 30, 2022·59m
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    S4E8– Olympian Melissa Wu is Diving Into Life!

    May 12, 2022·1h 4m
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    S4E7– Brian Firth – Breathing – you’re doing it wrong!

    May 4, 2022·1h 8m
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    S4E6– Mick Neven is Fair Dinkum

    Apr 21, 2022·56m
  44. 44

    S4E5B– Kev Toonen – Training SpecOps, Sports Stars and Celebrities: Part B

    Apr 13, 2022·59m
  45. 45

    S4E5A– Kev Toonen – Training SpecOps, Sports Stars and Celebrities: Part A

    Apr 6, 2022·46m
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    S4E4 – Be All There to Enjoy the Moments of Magic with Psychologist Ali Hill

    This episode features psychologist Ali Hill discussing work-life integration, leadership, and how the pandemic has reshaped professional and personal dynamics.

    Mar 31, 2022·1h 1m
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    S4E3 – Dean Fechner: Sharing hard-won lessons on resilience

    Mar 25, 2022·1h 10m
  48. 48

    S4E2 – Tom Moore- How ‘WithYouWithMe’ is Disrupting Normal

    Mar 8, 2022·1h 2m
  49. 49

    S4E1 - Harry Garside: Fighting the good fight – inside and outside the ring

    Feb 28, 2022·54m
  50. 50

    @RV28 – Season 3 Finale ….. Reflections & into the Future

    Feb 14, 2022·48m
  51. 51

    S3E20 –Standout Life with Ali Hill

    Dec 17, 2021·1h 4m
  52. 52

    S3E19 –Lessons in Leadership with Randy Powell

    Nov 15, 2021·1h 28m
  53. 53

    S3E18 - MCTI Teamcast – Creativity within Mission Critical Teams

    Nov 3, 2021·1h 53m
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    S3E17b – Hamish Blake: The Importance of Wheelies & Other Tips for Life

    Oct 3, 2021·1h 9m
  55. 55

    S3E17a – Hamish Blake: The Importance of Wheelies & Other Tips for Life

    Sep 27, 2021·53m
  56. 56

    S3E16 – Christian ‘Boo’ Boucousis – The Fighter Pilot Mindset

    Aug 31, 2021·1h 3m
  57. 57

    S3E15- Dr Dan Pronk and the Making of Resilience (Shield)

    Aug 12, 2021·1h 22m
  58. 58

    S3E14- Life on the Line Reciprocal: SAS Resilience with Dr Dan Pronk, Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis

    Aug 5, 2021·1h 14m
  59. 59

    S3E13 – The Reverse Episode: Ben & Tim Talking Parenting with Jump Daddy and Dr Tom

    Jul 15, 2021·58m
  60. 60

    S3E12 – Talking Parenting with Jump Daddy and Dr Tom from the Dad To Me Podcast

    Jun 25, 2021·1h
  61. 61

    S3E11 – Dr Richard Magtengaard: Psychiatrist- Understanding Your Lizard Brain

    Jun 17, 2021·1h 24m
  62. 62

    S3E10 – Nicho Plowman – Meditation and the Cinema of Life

    Jun 10, 2021·1h 2m
  63. 63

    S3E9 – Dr Lies Notebaert: On Resilience & Adversity

    Jun 3, 2021·58m
  64. 64

    @RV27- The Resilience RV

    May 27, 2021·40m
  65. 65

    S3E8 – Pete Naschak: US Navy SEALs, Red Bull Athletes and Resilience Shepherds

    May 20, 2021·1h 28m
  66. 66

    @RV26 – On Simon Eastaugh, Lee Goddard and ‘Billy’ Billingham

    May 13, 2021·59m
  67. 67

    S3E7 – A little further: Mark Billingham- From UK SAS Operator to in front of the camera

    May 6, 2021·1h 17m
  68. 68

    S3E6- Rear Admiral Lee Goddard CSC: The Pride of the Fleet!

    Apr 8, 2021·1h 9m
  69. 69

    S3E5 – Talking Elite Footy with Simon Eastaugh - Fremantle Football Club

    Apr 1, 2021·1h 3m
  70. 70

    @RV25 – Season 3 Opener! On Mick Neven, Jacqui Lambie, David Knoff and Nick Hudson

    Mar 25, 2021·47m
  71. 71

    S3E4 – Nick Hudson: Chief of Push-ups - The Push-up Challenge

    Mar 4, 2021·1h 10m
  72. 72

    S3E3- Leadership in the Freezer- with Antarctic Station Leader David Knoff

    Feb 25, 2021·1h 9m
  73. 73

    S3E2- Senator Jacqui Lambie: No Fear, No Favour.

    Feb 18, 2021·1h 7m
  74. 74

    S3E1- Comedian Mick Neven is (a) Melon Head

    Feb 11, 2021·1h 4m
  75. 75

    @RV24- Season 2 Finale

    Jan 28, 2021·43m
  76. 76

    S2E28 – A Story of Combat, Cricket and the SAS with ‘Harry’ Moffitt

    Jan 21, 2021·59m
  77. 77

    S2E27b – H Hour with Hawks: An Interview with Ben and Tim

    Jan 14, 2021·1h 32m
  78. 78

    S2E27a – H Hour with Hawks: An Interview with Ben and Tim

    Jan 7, 2021·1h 21m
  79. 79

    @RV23 – Happy New Year!

    Dec 31, 2020·40m
  80. 80

    @RV22 – Christmas Eve Reflections on Louise Baxter and Daniel Keighran,VC ... & Listener Questions

    Dec 24, 2020·32m
  81. 81

    @RV21 – On Meditating with Gary Gorrow, Surviving Massacres with Wayne Jones and Dying Three Times with Coco Quirke

    Nov 19, 2020·31m
  82. 82

    S2E26b – Daniel Keighran, VC- Courage Under Fire

    Nov 12, 2020·1h 2m
  83. 83

    S2E26a – Daniel Keighran, VC - Courage Under Fire

    Nov 5, 2020·41m
  84. 84

    Special Episode- How NOT To win Best New Podcast at the Australian Podcast Awards

    Nov 3, 2020·15m
  85. 85

    @RV20 - On Parenting – and other dilemmas!

    Oct 29, 2020·31m
  86. 86

    S2E25- Louise Baxter Shines Brightly- CEO of Starlight Children's Foundation

    Oct 22, 2020·1h 1m
  87. 87

    S2E24- Marc Mexsom: When your cause is bigger than your case - Community Courage

    Oct 12, 2020·1h 5m
  88. 88

    S2E23 – Hard to Keep Killed - McQuilty ‘Coco’ Quirke, NSC

    Oct 5, 2020·1h 19m
  89. 89

    S2E22- David Gillespie – Inside Teen Brains

    Sep 25, 2020·1h 4m
  90. 90

    S2E21b – Wayne Jones: ex SAS Sky God and Rock Star turned ASX CEO

    Sep 10, 2020·48m
  91. 91

    S2E21a- Wayne Jones: ex SAS Sky God and Rockstar turned ASX CEO

    Sep 4, 2020·1h 3m
  92. 92

    S2E20- Understanding Meditation with the Expert- Gary Gorrow

    Aug 28, 2020·56m
  93. 93

    @RV19- On Beth Eggleston, Dr Linda Monshizadeh, Kim Martens & More on the SAS Selection Course

    Aug 20, 2020·1h 10m
  94. 94

    S2E19- David Olney: More Blind Insights on Collaboration & Battlefield Innovation

    Aug 12, 2020·53m
  95. 95

    S2E18 – Turning Troubled Boys into Good Men with Rick Pedley-Smith

    Aug 5, 2020·1h 3m
  96. 96

    S2E16 – Understanding Complexity with Dave Snowden (Comfort in Chaos and Uncertainty)

    Jul 22, 2020·1h
  97. 97

    S2E15- Phil M Jones: Using Words for Influence and Impact (ie = ‘Sales’ (is not a dirty word))

    Jul 15, 2020·1h 16m
  98. 98

    S2E14- Kim Martens: Surviving High Risk Environments from KFC to Karrada!

    Jul 8, 2020·47m
  99. 99

    S2E13 – The Beauty from Within - Dr Linda Monshizadeh, Plastic Surgeon

    Jul 1, 2020·58m
  100. 100

    S2E12- Beth Eggleston- The HAG! The Humanitarian Edition.

    Jun 24, 2020·1h 12m
  101. 101

    @RV18- David Olney, Dr Kate Baecher, Tempus Fugit Double Episode and Life on the Line Special

    Jun 21, 2020·43m
  102. 102

    S2E11- Against Life’s Odds: ‘Fugit Inreparabile Tempus': (It Escapes, Irretrievable Time) - Matt Williams, OAM is 'Willy Beating Cancer'

    Jun 17, 2020·49m
  103. 103

    Special Episode- SAS Leadership Volume II: with Ben Pronk, DSC and Tim Curtis (via Life on the Line Podcast)

    Jun 11, 2020·1h 15m
  104. 104

    S2E10- Against Life’s Odds: ‘Tempus Fugit’ ('Time Flees') - Tim Reynolds

    Jun 3, 2020·41m
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    S2E9- Dr Kate Baecher: Clinical Psychologist. Developing High Performance Mindsets

    May 27, 2020·58m