Faith after certainty, without the shortcuts.
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The Deconstructionists examines what remains of Christian faith when inherited answers stop working. Through conversations and reflective episodes, John Williamson works through biblical violence, religious trauma, institutional failure, and the possibility of a more honest church.
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About The Deconstructionists
The Deconstructionists is a long-running Christian deconstruction podcast built around faith after certainty. John Williamson hosts conversations and reflective episodes for people who are questioning what they inherited, what harmed them, and what might still be worth keeping. The tone is searching rather than sensational. It is willing to name institutional failure plainly, especially when church systems confuse secrecy with care. Recent episodes with Lillian Daniels center on failure, accountability, clergy discipline, and the future of the church. Those conversations are not abstract. They ask what happens when congregations receive vague warnings, leaders perform vulnerability, and processes designed for safety create new forms of damage. Episodes with Dr. Cristy Carr turn inward, toward religious trauma and the self that gets buried under conformity. The show gives weight to the body, to intuition, to grief, and to the slow work of trusting oneself again. It also returns to scripture with serious questions. A solo episode on violence and the Bible asks how readers handle sacred texts where violence appears commanded, justified, or celebrated. A conversation with John Dominic Crossan and Michael Okinczyc-Cruz presses on justice, Jesus, collaboration with God, and the danger of waiting for divine intervention while avoiding human responsibility. Archive re-releases bring Walter Brueggemann and Dr. Alexander Shaia back into the mix, widening the theological frame through scripture, darkness, radiance, and prophetic imagination. The show does not rush toward replacement certainty. That restraint matters. It understands that leaving one rigid system only to build another can repeat the same pattern in a different vocabulary. Its center is not rebellion for its own sake, but repair: of language, selfhood, community, and faith. The result is candid, pastoral, intellectually curious audio for people who want room to question without being pushed out of the conversation.
Made for: The show suits listeners processing evangelicalism, church harm, biblical questions, or a changing Christian identity. It is especially relevant for people who want honest theological conversation without being rushed back into certainty.
What sets it apart: The Deconstructionists pairs personal recovery language with serious theological and institutional critique. Its range moves from embodied healing and religious trauma to biblical violence, justice, clergy accountability, and archival conversations with theological voices.
In their own words
A podcast about building new faith. Its all about construction, but sometimes that means you have to deconstruct a little. Questions, exploration, mystery...
Why you'd press play
This is where certainty gets cross-examined, and your body is allowed to testify.
Press play if you want
- to question inherited certainty without replacing it with a shinier certainty
- to hear John Williamson press theology toward collaboration, justice, and actual accountability
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Episodes
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RE-RELEASE - Father Richard Rohr "Falling Upward"
·1h 20m - 2
Ep. 235 - Dr. Cristy Carr "Reclaiming the Forgotten Self" pt. 2
·39m - 3
Ep. 234 - Dr. Cristy Carr "The Forgotten Self" pt. 1
·31m - 4
Ep. 233 - Violence and the Bible
·30m - 5
Ep. 232 - Dr. Michelle Keener "Comfort in the Ashes" pt. 2
·32m - 6
Ep. 231 - Dr. Michelle Keener "Comfort in the Ashes" pt. 1
·36m - 7
Ep. 230 - John Dominic Crossan & Michael Okinczyc-Cruz "Jesus and Justice" pt. 2
·51m - 8
Ep. 229 - John Dominic Crossan & Michael Okinczyc-Cruz "Jesus and Justice" pt. 1
·40m - 9
Ep. 228 - Valentyn Syniy - "God Under Siege: How War Transformed a Ukrainian Community" pt. 2
·19m - 10
Ep. 227 - Valentyn Syniy - "God Under Siege: How War Transformed a Ukrainian Community" pt. 1
·41m - 11
Ep. 226 - Immigration "Process, Not Performance" pt. 3
·20m - 12
Ep. 225 - Immigration "When Power Asks for Blessing" pt. 2
·23m - 13
Ep. 224 - Immigration "When Fear Becomes Policy" pt. 1
·34m - 14
Ep. 223 - Dr. Alexander Shaia "A Holiday Conversation" pt. 2
·34m - 15
Ep. 221 - Peter Rollins - "Communion, Community, and the Transformative Power of Doubt" Part 2
·43m - 16
Ep. 220 - Peter Rollins - "Communion, Community, and the Transformative Power of Doubt" Part 1
·32m - 17
Brand New Patreon!
·2m - 18
Ep. 219 - Original Sin or Original Blessing?
·26m - 19
Ep. 218 - Joe Ingle "God behind bars: Dignity, Justice & Prison Ministry" pt. 2
·31m - 20
Ep. 217 - Joe Ingle "God behind bars: Dignity, Justice & Prison Ministry" pt. 1
·36m - 21
Ep. 216 - Kerstin Hedlund "Faith on the Frontlines" pt. 2
·33m - 22
Ep. 215 - Kerstin Hedlund "Faith on the Frontlines" pt. 1
·27m - 23
Ep. 214 - Hell, The Devil, and Atonement Theories
·43m - 24
Ep. 213 - Is Deconstruction Bad? (...it's not)
·32m - 25
Ep. 212 - Does the Bible Really Condemn Same-Sex Relationships?
·30m - 26
Ep. 211 - Sarah Hurwitz "As A Jew: Reclaiming Our Story" (pt. 2)
·34m - 27
Ep. 210 - Sarah Hurwitz "As A Jew: Reclaiming Our Story" (pt. 1)
·36m - 28
Ep. 209 - The History of the Bible: How We Got the Scriptures We Have Today
·27m - 29
Ep. 206 - Zionism, Gaza, and the Western Church: Untangling a Complicated History
·42m - 30
Teaser Episode: History on the Margins - The Corpse Synod
·14m - 31
Ep. 205 - Dr. Paul Swindle "Religious Trauma"
·1h 5m - 32
Ep. 204 - Adey & Tom Wassink "Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland" pt. 2
·47m - 33
Ep. 203 - Adey & Tom Wassink "Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland" pt. 1
·49m - 34
Trailer: New Season!
·1m - 35
Adam & John "Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power"
·1h 42m - 36
RE-RELEASE - Richard Rohr "Rohr 101"
·1h 25m - 37
Ep. 236 - Lillian Daniel "Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church" pt. 1
·33m - 38
RE-RELEASE - Walter Bruggemann "Struggling with Scripture"
·38m - 39
Introduction: From The Void Season 7!
·1m - 40
Ep. 202 - Dr. Garrick Allen "Words Are Not Enough" pt. 2
·28m - 41
Ep. 201 - Dr. Garrick Allen "Words Are Not Enough" pt. 1
·35m - 42
BONUS: Nora Creech "The Shroud of Turin"
·1h 1m - 43
Ep 200 - Tucker S. Ferda "Jesus and His Promised Second Coming" pt. 2
·34m - 44
Re-Release: Dr. Alexander Shaia "Radiance within the Darkness"
·1h 9m - 45
Ep. 199 - Tucker S. Ferda "Jesus and His Promised Second Coming" pt. 1
·38m - 46
Ep. 199 - Dr. Thomas Jay Oord "A Modern Inquisition"
·52m - 47
Ep. 198 - Thomas Kazen ”Dirt, Shame, Status: Same-Sex Sexuality in the Bible” pt. 2
·35m - 48
Ep. 197 - Thomas Kazen ”Dirt, Shame, Status: Same-Sex Sexuality in the Bible” pt. 1
·45m - 49
Ep. 196 - John Dominic Crossan ”Paul The Pharisee” pt. 2
·43m - 50
Ep. 195 - John Dominic Crossan ”Paul the Pharisee” pt. 1
·39m - 51
Ep. 194 - Adam Elmasri ”Wounded by Faith”
·51m - 52
Ep. 193 - Dr. Camden Morgante ”Recovering From Purity Culture” pt. 2
·26m - 53
Ep. 192 - Dr. Camden Morgante ”Recovering From Purity Culture” pt. 1
·40m - 54
Ep. 191 - Timothy Morton ”Hell: A Christian Ecology” pt. 2
·47m - 55
Introducing: From The Void Season 6!
·2m - 56
Ep. 190 - Timothy Morton ”Hell: A Christian Ecology” pt. 1
·42m - 57
Ep. 189 - Rabbi Shai Held: Judaism is About Love” pt. 2
·36m - 58
Ep. 188 - Rabbi Shai Held ”Judaism is About Love” pt. 1
·38m - 59
Ep. 187 - Carrie Sheffield ”Motorhome Prophesies” pt. 2
·31m - 60
Ep. 186 - Carrie Sheffield ”Motorhome Prophesies” pt. 1
·39m - 61
Ep. 185 - Tony Jones ”The God of Wild Places” pt. 2
·32m - 62
Ep. 184 - Tony Jones ”The God of Wild Places” pt. 1
·32m - 63
Ep. 183 - Anna Gazmarian ”Devout: A Memoir of Doubt” pt. 2
·29m - 64
Ep. 182 - Anna Gazmarian ”Devout: A Memoir of Doubt” pt. 1
·29m - 65
Ep. 181 - Benjamin Laird ”The New Testament” pt. 2
·41m - 66
Ep. 180 - Benjamin Laird ”The New Testament” pt. 1
·38m - 67
Season 12 is Coming!!!
·2m - 68
Ep. 179 - Doug Smith ”Growing up in a cult”
·52m - 69
Ep. 178 - Sarah Stankorb ”Disobedient Women” pt. 2
·40m - 70
Ep. 177 - Sarah Stankorb ”Disobedient Women” pt. 1
·44m - 71
Ep. 176 - Dr. Greg Garrett ”The Gospel According to James Baldwin” pt. 2
·40m - 72
Ep. 175 - Dr. Greg Garrett ”The Gospel According to James Baldwin” pt. 1
·39m - 73
Ep. 174 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Stories From The Old Testament: The Flood” pt. 4
·1h 15m - 74
Ep. 173 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Stories from the Old Testament: Cane & Abel” pt. 3
·41m - 75
Ep. 172 - Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray ”The God of Monkey Science” pt. 2
·33m - 76
Ep. 171 - Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray ”The God of Monkey Science” pt. 1
·39m - 77
Ep. 170 - Derek Kubilus ”Holy Hell: A Case Against Eternal Damnation” pt. 2
·39m - 78
Ep. 169 - Derek Kubilus ”Holy Hell: A Case Against Eternal Damnation” pt. 1
·42m - 79
Ep. 168 - Dr. Mohammad Khalil ”Understanding Islam” pt. 2
·49m - 80
Ep. 167 - Dr. Mohammad Khalil ”Understanding Islam” pt. 1
·40m - 81
Ep. 166 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Stories of the Old Testament: The Creation Account” pt. 2
·30m - 82
Ep. 165 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Stories of the Old Testament: The Creation Account” pt. 1
·51m - 83
Introducing: From The Void Season 4!
·1m - 84
Ep. 164 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Finding Faith without Fanaticism” pt. 2
·39m - 85
Ep. 163 - Rabbi Brad Hirschfield ”Finding Faith without Fanaticism” pt. 1
·29m - 86
Ep. 162 - Dr. Chris Hoklotubbe ”Native American Spirituality & The Bible” pt. 2
·41m - 87
Ep. 161 - Dr. Chris Hoklotubbe ”Native American Spirituality & The Bible” pt. 1
·48m - 88
Ep. 160 - Thomas Jay Oord ”The Death of Omnipotence and Birth of Amipotence”
·30m - 89
Ep. 159 - Jodi Magness ”Archeology & The Dead Sea Scrolls” pt. 2
·48m - 90
Ep. 158 - Jodi Magness ”Archeology & The Dead Sea Scrolls” pt. 1
·38m - 91
Ep. 157 - Dr. Dan McClellan ”Data Over Dogma” pt. 2
·52m - 92
Ep. 156 - Dr. Dan McClellan ”Data Over Dogma” pt. 1
·38m - 93
Ep. 155 - Stephen Prothero ”God The Bestseller”
·51m - 94
Ep. 154 - Pete Enns - ”Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming” pt. 2
·44m - 95
Ep. 153 - Pete Enns ”Curveball: When Your Faith Takes a Turn You Never Saw Coming” pt. 1
·49m - 96
Ep. 152 - Amy Bloom ”In Love: A Memoir of Love and Loss”
·52m - 97
Ep. 151 - Dr. Jacqueline Bussie ”When Love Hurts” pt. 2
·48m - 98
Ep. 208 - Bailey Krawczyk "Lights, Camera, Control: Hillsong from the Inside" (Part 2)
Bailey Krawczyk discusses systemic issues and high-control tactics at Hillsong Church, reflecting on celebrity pastor culture and the aftermath of the Hillsong documentary.
·40m - 99
Ep. 222 - Dr. Alexander Shaia "A Holiday Conversation" pt. 1
Dr.
·34m - 100
Ep. 207 - Bailey Krawczyk "Lights, Camera, Control: Hillsong from the Inside" (Part 1)
Bailey Krawczyk discusses her experience inside Hillsong, the controlling culture, and her journey to questioning it.
·41m - 101
Ep. 237 - Lillian Daniels "Failure, Accountability & the Future of the Church" pt. 2
Hidden gemOn The Deconstructionist Podcast, Lillian Daniels says clergy often dress up shallow self-disclosure as vulnerability while real harm stays hidden.
Apr 16, 2026·46m·3 clips - 102
Ep. 236 - Lillian Daniel "Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church" pt. 1
Lillian Daniel tells John Williamson how a delayed ministerial fitness review followed an inappropriate relationship with a staff member during the week of her divorce.
Apr 9, 2026·33m·2 clips - 103
Ep. 235 - Dr. Cristy Carr "Reclaiming the Forgotten Self" pt. 2
The Deconstructionists host John Williamson and Dr.
Apr 1, 2026·39m·2 clips - 104
Ep. 234 - Dr. Cristy Carr "The Forgotten Self" pt. 1
The Deconstructionists host John Williamson interviews Dr.
Mar 26, 2026·31m·2 clips - 105
Ep. 233 - Violence and the Bible
John Williamson explores the problem of violence in the Bible and whether it can ever be justified, prompted by a church discussion.
Mar 18, 2026·30m - 106
Ep. 232 - Dr. Michelle Keener "Comfort in the Ashes" pt. 2
Mar 9, 2026·32m - 107
Ep. 231 - Dr. Michelle Keener "Comfort in the Ashes" pt. 1
Mar 2, 2026·36m - 108
Ep. 230 - John Dominic Crossan & Michael Okinczyc-Cruz "Jesus and Justice" pt. 2
Hidden gem["The Deconstructionists episode on Jesus and Justice pt.
Feb 24, 2026·51m·5 clips - 109
Ep. 229 - John Dominic Crossan & Michael Okinczyc-Cruz "Jesus and Justice" pt. 1
Feb 18, 2026·40m - 110
Ep. 228 - Valentyn Syniy - "God Under Siege: How War Transformed a Ukrainian Community" pt. 2
Feb 9, 2026·19m - 111
Ep. 227 - Valentyn Syniy - "God Under Siege: How War Transformed a Ukrainian Community" pt. 1
Feb 2, 2026·41m - 112
Ep. 226 - Immigration "Process, Not Performance" pt. 3
Jan 30, 2026·20m - 113
Ep. 225 - Immigration "When Power Asks for Blessing" pt. 2
Jan 28, 2026·23m - 114
Ep. 224 - Immigration "When Fear Becomes Policy" pt. 1
Jan 26, 2026·34m - 115
Ep. 223 - Dr. Alexander Shaia "A Holiday Conversation" pt. 2
Jan 12, 2026·34m - 116
Ep. 222 - Dr. Alexander Shaia "A Holiday Conversation" pt. 1
Dec 23, 2025·34m - 117
Ep. 221 - Peter Rollins - "Communion, Community, and the Transformative Power of Doubt" Part 2
Dec 15, 2025·43m - 118
Ep. 220 - Peter Rollins - "Communion, Community, and the Transformative Power of Doubt" Part 1
Dec 8, 2025·32m - 119
Brand New Patreon!
Dec 5, 2025·2m - 120
Ep. 219 - Original Sin or Original Blessing?
Dec 1, 2025·26m - 121
Ep. 218 - Joe Ingle "God behind bars: Dignity, Justice & Prison Ministry" pt. 2
Nov 28, 2025·31m - 122
Ep. 217 - Joe Ingle "God behind bars: Dignity, Justice & Prison Ministry" pt. 1
Nov 19, 2025·36m - 123
Ep. 216 - Kerstin Hedlund "Faith on the Frontlines" pt. 2
Nov 10, 2025·33m - 124
Ep. 215 - Kerstin Hedlund "Faith on the Frontlines" pt. 1
Nov 3, 2025·27m - 125
Ep. 214 - Hell, The Devil, and Atonement Theories
Oct 27, 2025·43m - 126
Ep. 213 - Is Deconstruction Bad? (...it's not)
Oct 20, 2025·32m - 127
Ep. 212 - Does the Bible Really Condemn Same-Sex Relationships?
Oct 13, 2025·30m - 128
Ep. 211 - Sarah Hurwitz "As A Jew: Reclaiming Our Story" (pt. 2)
Oct 6, 2025·34m - 129
Ep. 210 - Sarah Hurwitz "As A Jew: Reclaiming Our Story" (pt. 1)
Sep 29, 2025·36m - 130
Ep. 209 - The History of the Bible: How We Got the Scriptures We Have Today
Sep 22, 2025·27m - 131
Ep. 208 - Bailey Krawczyk "Lights, Camera, Control: Hillsong from the Inside" (Part 2)
Sep 15, 2025·40m - 132
Ep. 207 - Bailey Krawczyk "Lights, Camera, Control: Hillsong from the Inside" (Part 1)
Sep 8, 2025·41m - 133
Ep. 206 - Zionism, Gaza, and the Western Church: Untangling a Complicated History
Sep 1, 2025·42m - 134
Teaser Episode: History on the Margins - The Corpse Synod
Aug 26, 2025·14m - 135
Ep. 205 - Dr. Paul Swindle "Religious Trauma"
Aug 18, 2025·1h 5m - 136
Ep. 204 - Adey & Tom Wassink "Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland" pt. 2
Aug 11, 2025·47m - 137
Ep. 203 - Adey & Tom Wassink "Sanctuary: Queering a Church in the Heartland" pt. 1
Aug 4, 2025·49m - 138
Adam & John "Spoiled Fruit: Faith & Power"
May 6, 2025·1h 42m - 139
RE-RELEASE - Richard Rohr "Rohr 101"
Apr 28, 2025·1h 25m - 140
RE-RELEASE - Father Richard Rohr "Falling Upward"
Apr 4, 2025·1h 20m - 141
RE-RELEASE - Walter Bruggemann "Struggling with Scripture"
A re-release of a conversation with theologian Walter Brueggemann about struggling with scripture, introduced by host John Williamson with news about a new investigative podcast.
Mar 25, 2025·38m - 142
Ep. 202 - Dr. Garrick Allen "Words Are Not Enough" pt. 2
Jan 20, 2025·28m - 143
Ep. 201 - Dr. Garrick Allen "Words Are Not Enough" pt. 1
Jan 13, 2025·35m - 144
BONUS: Nora Creech "The Shroud of Turin"
Dec 30, 2024·1h 1m - 145
Ep 200 - Tucker S. Ferda "Jesus and His Promised Second Coming" pt. 2
Dec 26, 2024·34m - 146
Re-Release: Dr. Alexander Shaia "Radiance within the Darkness"
Hidden gemJohn Williamson re-releases a 2017 Christmas conversation with Dr.
Dec 25, 2024·1h 9m·5 clips - 147
Ep. 199 - Tucker S. Ferda "Jesus and His Promised Second Coming" pt. 1
Dec 17, 2024·38m - 148
Ep. 199 - Dr. Thomas Jay Oord "A Modern Inquisition"
Dec 12, 2024·52m