Say Why To Drugs

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What the evidence says about drugs, and where it stops.

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Say Why To Drugs, led by Dr Suzi Gage, treats alcohol and other drugs as questions of evidence, asking guests what is actually known and where the data runs thin. Topics include spiking, drinking in pregnancy, how families talk about drugs, and how legal cannabis markets are being regulated.

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About Say Why To Drugs

Say Why To Drugs follows a simple discipline: say what the evidence shows about a drug, and say where it runs out. Dr Suzi Gage leads the conversations. Her guests include researchers, a bereaved mother and a drug policy organisation, and the talk stays close to questions people actually face. Take spiking. In the episode with Dr Lata Gautam of Anglia Ruskin University, the framing is candid: it is unclear whether spiking is on the rise, and there is little concrete evidence yet of spiking by injection, even though people are reporting it. The conversation covers forensic cases of drug-facilitated sexual assault, in which alcohol, sedatives, benzodiazepines, stimulants, antihistamines and antidepressants have all been detected. The notes for that episode link to websites on spiking and drug-facilitated sexual assault. Family is another thread. Fiona Spargo-Mabbs, a returning guest whose son Dan died after taking MDMA, joined Gage live at Latitude Festival to talk about discussing drugs at home. One hard question comes up directly: whether parents who have used illicit drugs should tell their children, and at what age. The answer, fittingly, is that it depends, starting with how old the child is. Alcohol comes up again and again. In 'Alcohol in pregnancy', Gage speaks with Kate and Louisa about how risk climbs with the amount drunk, and sets that against the long list of foods pregnant women are told to avoid. 'Maternal Drinking' turns to women who feel treated as other people's property once pregnant, and to why their drinking may be under-reported and under-researched. Policy gets its turn with James Nichols of Transform, an organisation that has published a report on how stimulants could be regulated. That discussion covers taxation by strength, minimum unit pricing, and cannabis regulation in US states and Canada. 'Drugs and Sex - recorded live at Vault Festival' features a researcher whose work looks past what is usually called chemsex, aiming to hear from women and gender minorities through ethnographic work in clubs and parties. The show is open about its own rhythm. One intro apologises for a long radio silence, another is spoken softly over a sleeping baby, and one sign-off calls a batch of episodes a flurry rather than a season. Rapper Scroobius Pip was Gage's conversation partner for the first series. For something immediately practical, the spiking episode or the Latitude conversation on family is a good first listen.

Made for: Suits a listener who wants plain, evidence-led information about alcohol and other drugs, including a parent working out how to talk with their children or anyone following debates on spiking and drug regulation.

What sets it apart: It keeps what research has established apart from what is only reported, and it says openly when the data is thin, as with spiking by injection and women's drinking. Live festival conversations and a policy discussion sit alongside interviews on pregnancy, sex and family life.

In their own words

The internet is full of misinformation about recreational drugs - both legal and illegal. Dr Suzi Gage, a psychologist interested in understanding associations between substance use and mental health, tackles one substance per episode - providing information about what we know - the harms, but also potential benefits of these substances. There's no hype, no spin and no judgement, just information. In the first series, she is in conversation with rapper Scroobius Pip. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Talking with your family about drugs - Live at Latitude 2021Dec 9, 2021

A thoughtful live conversation about how parents can talk honestly about drugs without turning fear into silence.

Dr Susie Gage and Fiona Spargo-Mabbs turn a family conversation about drugs into a careful discussion of evidence, age and trust, recorded before a live Latitude audience.

Spiking - with Dr Lata GautamNov 25, 2021

A careful forensic science discussion of suspected spiking and why timely testing matters.

Say Why to Drugs handles drug spiking as a subject where public concern often runs ahead of firm evidence. The discussion with Lata Gautam, Associate Professor in Forensic Science at Anglia Ruskin University, keeps that tension visible while moving through drink spiking,…

Maternal DrinkingNov 11, 2021

A candid discussion of maternal drinking, stigma, mixed guidance, and trust in pregnancy care.

Maternal drinking is treated here as a question of evidence, stigma, and who is trusted to make decisions around pregnancy and motherhood. Say Why to Drugs brings the subject close to lived experience, with its host returning from maternity leave and speaking with Dr Abby Rose…

Drugs and Sex - recorded live at Vault FestivalNov 19, 2020

A method-minded conversation about who gets heard when researchers study sex and drug use.

Recorded at Vault Festival in London, this episode centers on Alex Aldridge, a PhD student studying the relationship between drug use and sexual practices.

Drug regulation - with TransformNov 5, 2020

A practical drug-policy discussion about regulation, public health and the harder question of social justice.

Drug regulation is treated here as a design challenge rather than a slogan. James, CEO of Transform, talks through the organisation's proposals for evidence-based stimulant regulation, with its earlier cannabis work as a reference point.

Alcohol in pregnancyOct 21, 2020

A measured episode on alcohol, pregnancy, evidence, and the uneven logic of health advice.

Alcohol use in pregnancy gets a careful, unhurried airing as Susie, Dr. Louisa Zuccolu, and Dr. Kate Fleming look at the evidence, the controversy around it, and the way drinking advice sits among all the other restrictions pregnant people are asked to absorb.

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Episodes

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    Talking with your family about drugs - Live at Latitude 2021

    Hidden gem

    ["Say Why To Drugs records a live Latitude Festival conversation about talking with family about drugs, with Dr Susie Gage hosting Fiona Spargo-Mabbs.", "Susie says she is a University of Liverpool researcher studying links between recreational drug use and mental health, and Fiona says she founded the Daniel Spargo-Mabbs Foundation after her son Dan died at 16 after MDMA or ecstasy.", "Fiona's book I Wish I'd Known, the charity's workshops, and its Bloomsbury-published verbatim play all turn Dan's story into drug-education tools for parents, teachers, and young people.", "The episode leans on a government survey of 11- to 15-year-olds, the age 10-11 starting point, and adolescent brain development to argue for calm, ongoing, evidence-based conversations instead of a blunt just say no message."]

    Dec 9, 2021·32m·3 clips
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    Spiking - with Dr Lata Gautam

    Hidden gem

    Dr Lata Gautam of Anglia Ruskin University says drink spiking means covertly adding drugs, alcohol, or stronger alcohol to a drink or food without the person's knowledge.

    Nov 25, 2021·27m·1 clip
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    Maternal Drinking

    Hidden gem

    Say Why To Drugs uses Maternal Drinking to examine how a routine evening drink can quietly cross the UK's 14-unit guideline after pregnancy.

    Nov 11, 2021·44m·3 clips
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    Drugs and Sex - recorded live at Vault Festival

    Hidden gem

    Susie Gate and Alex Aldridge say many people's first drug-linked sex experience is alcohol, not chemsex drugs.

    Nov 19, 2020·46m·3 clips
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    Drug regulation - with Transform

    Hidden gem

    James Nicholls, chief executive officer of Transform Drug Policy Foundation, uses this Say Why To Drugs episode to argue for legal regulation of currently illicit drugs rather than prohibition.

    Nov 5, 2020·47m·4 clips
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    Alcohol in pregnancy

    Hidden gem

    Say Why to Drugs host Susie Gage speaks with epidemiologists Louise Zuccolo and Kate Fleming about alcohol use during pregnancy and uncertainty around low-level exposure.

    Oct 21, 2020·49m·3 clips
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    The Secret Drug Addict

    Hidden gem

    Say Why To Drugs interviews the anonymous creator of Secret Drug Addict, who began using hash and alcohol around ages 11 or 12 and stopped on June 12, 2007.

    Mar 5, 2020·1h 1m·4 clips
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    Drug Education - with The DSM Foundation

    Hidden gem

    Fiona Spargo-Mabs and Sarah Burkett of the Daniel Foundation explain how drug education developed after Fiona’s 16-year-old son Dan died after taking an unusually strong bag of MDMA.

    Feb 20, 2020·46m·3 clips
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    Say Why To Drugs Book Launch

    Susie Gage discusses the launch of Say Why To Drugs with James Nicholls, CEO of Transform, at Foyle’s Bookshop in Bristol.

    Feb 6, 2020·41m·3 clips
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    Say Why To Drugs - The Book!

    Jan 23, 2020·15m
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    Drugs and Music, live at Smithdown Road festival

    Jul 31, 2019·1h 3m
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    Drugs and Music, with Adam Ficek

    Jul 17, 2019·37m
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    CBD, with Dr Amir Englund

    Jul 3, 2019·39m
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    Kratom, with Dr Oliver Grundmann

    Jun 19, 2019·35m
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    Mescaline, with Mike Jay

    Jun 5, 2019·23m
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    Ask me anything! #2

    Jan 31, 2019·25m
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    Ask me anything! #1

    Jan 17, 2019·30m
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    E-Cigarettes - UPDATED, with Professor Linda Bauld

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    Jan 3, 2019·42m
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    Women and addiction, with Jenny Valentish

    Dec 20, 2018·36m
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    How do drugs affect the brain? LIVE with Dr Carl Roberts

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    Dec 6, 2018·52m
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    Dry January

    Jan 18, 2018·34m
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    Psychedelics at the SSA. Part 3 - Prof. Celia Morgan

    Dec 14, 2017·24m
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    Psychedelics at the SSA. Part 2 - Dr. Albert Garcia-Romeu

    Nov 30, 2017·34m
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    Psychedelics at the SSA. Part 1 - Dr. Ben Sessa

    Nov 16, 2017·40m
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    Cognitive Enhancers

    Jul 26, 2017·33m
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    Sugar

    Jun 28, 2017·41m
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    Addiction

    Jun 14, 2017·46m
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    Prescription Opioids

    Apr 19, 2017·15m
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    DMT

    Apr 5, 2017·21m
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    PCP

    Mar 23, 2017·24m
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    Salvia

    Mar 9, 2017·24m
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    Benzodiazepines

    Feb 23, 2017·34m
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    Hangovers

    Feb 9, 2017·34m
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    E-Cigarettes

    Jan 26, 2017·41m
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    Khat

    Jan 12, 2017·19m
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    Poppers

    Dec 8, 2016·16m
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    Amphetamines

    Nov 17, 2016·28m
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    Heroin

    Nov 3, 2016·30m
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    Caffeine

    Oct 19, 2016·35m
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    Bristol Drugs Project

    Oct 5, 2016·30m
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    Synthetic Cathinones

    Sep 21, 2016·24m
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    Synthetic Cannabinoids

    Sep 7, 2016·22m
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    Nitrous Oxide

    Aug 24, 2016·16m
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    Cocaine

    Aug 10, 2016·25m
  45. 45

    Psychedelics

    Jul 27, 2016·46m
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    Ketamine

    Jul 13, 2016·19m
  47. 47

    MDMA

    Jun 29, 2016·23m
  48. 48

    Alcohol

    Jun 15, 2016·31m
  49. 49

    Tobacco

    Jun 2, 2016·28m
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    cannabis

    May 19, 2016·39m