
Prison testimony, plain Scripture and honest talk about race.
The gist
Pneu Pneuma Godcast builds its Bible talk around guests' stories: a refugee's path through gangs and jail to church planting, a slow turn back to God, a reading of the Song of Solomon about raising daughters. Norman Brown, known as Norm the Professor, keeps the tone relaxed and still presses on race in America.
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About Pneu Pneuma Godcast
Pneu Pneuma Godcast is a Christian podcast that uses a guest's life story as a way into Scripture, and Scripture as a way to read the story back. Norman Brown, who goes by Norm the Professor, runs the conversations with easy warmth: guests get called 'bro', and sign-offs land on a plain 'Peace.' The warmth does not soften the questions. He asks one guest when the repentance actually happened, and asks another whether getting born again in jail changed how other inmates dealt with a new believer. The answers are specific. Across episodes titled with the word 'Diamond', Vonna N recounts coming to the United States as a Cambodian refugee born in Vietnam and a family that took up shrimping in Texas, along with gang life and time locked up. Inside, by that account, everything came down to respect, and 'turn the other cheek' was a hard teaching to hold when someone was testing for weakness. The story carries on to Fresno Pacific University, a youth pastor job with the Mennonite Brethren, and a resignation made in order to plant a church. Around that testimony the conversation widens. Joining a gang is traced back to feeling abandoned by family. America's failure to acknowledge wrongs against First Nations people, African Americans, the Chinese who built a railroad and Filipinos kept from buying property is named as a wound that has not healed. Norman presses the point himself, asking why the country seems to want everyone to just get over it. One answer is practical: teach African-American and Chicano and Latino history in elementary, junior high and high school, not only in college. The Bible teaching is just as direct. In the Kenneth Chong episodes the talk covers a repentance that came gradually, a church that preached sound doctrine instead of prosperity or self-help, and a marriage where the hard lesson was that the problem is you. Those conversations also push back on preaching that advertises what the cross does for people while leaving out the cross itself, drawing on John 4, John 21 and Paul's 'Christ and him crucified.' Myron Cooper, back for a second interview, brings a reading of the Song of Solomon that Norman says changed how he sees daughters, in an episode labelled as part one. Across all of it the register barely shifts, and the same relaxed back-and-forth carries prison, race, marriage and fatherhood alike. The Vonna N episodes best show how the show stays with one life over several sittings, while the Kenneth Chong conversations show its preaching instincts most clearly. It suits a listener who wants faith talk anchored in the text and willing to sit with hard histories.
Made for: Suits a listener who wants Christian conversation that stays close to Scripture while taking on prison, gang life, racism and marriage in plain, unpolished language.
What sets it apart: It sets personal testimony about gangs, prison and a refugee upbringing beside close readings of John, Paul and the Song of Solomon. Race and America's unacknowledged history are treated as part of the faith conversation, not as a separate topic.
In their own words
Pneu Pneuma (New Life) is the Urban Voice of Christian podcasts, hosted by Norman Brown aka @normtheprofessor, and founded in Baltimore, Maryland.Blending biblical scholarship with real-world, street-level insight, this podcast exists to help Believers discover who they really are in Christ—while engaging the hard conversations many churches across America and Western-influenced nations refuse to touch due to political influence.This is faith without filters—raw truth, not religion. To support us:Cashapp: $PneuPneuma (U.S. only)PayPal: [email protected]
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Turning the other cheek gets complicated in prison; you might appreciate a faith conversation that admits it.
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- to hear Norman Brown ask what faith asks of someone being tested by other inmates
- to understand how a Cambodian refugee connects family hurt with finding refuge in a gang
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Episodes
- 1
Blessed Or Lucky? | The Differences Between Them (EP 216)
·38m - 2
Only 'Eustress' From Bastress (EP 196)
·47m - 3
Keeping Up With The Coopers: After COVID (EP 195)
·51m - 4
Cooper-ation: Myron Cooper Talks Early Life (EP 194)
·54m - 5
Ethnic Beefs In The Church - Pt 3
·55m - 6
Ethnic Beefs In The Church - Pt 2
·56m - 7
Ethnic Beefs In The Church - Pt 1
·53m - 8
EP 246 Diamond Unbroken - Diamond Cut: Freedom Isn’t Free: Re-Entry, Restoration, and Rebuilding a Life
·33m - 9
EP 245 Diamond Refined - Eight Years Inside: Prison, Power, Faith, and the Moment God Spoke
·32m - 10
EP 244 Diamond Forged: From Refugee to the Streets: Trauma, Identity, and the Roots of Gang Life
·33m - 11
EP 243 Truth Under Fire: Racism, Marriage, and Walking Out the Faith: Kenneth Chong
·36m - 12
EP 242 Running from God: Sin, Sovereignty, and the Long Road Back: Kenneth Chong
·35m - 13
From Isolation to Identity: Brotherhood Forged in Pressure: Kenneth Chong #241
·35m - 14
Raising Daughters: Conversation with Myron Pt 1 #241
·42m - 15
"Dale Mast: Faith, Destiny and Identity - Exclusive Interview" #239
·43m - 16
"A Man Of Steel: Forgiveness and Transformation" #238
·34m - 17
"A Man Of Steel: Juveniles, Struggles and Divine Intervention" #237
·32m - 18
"A Man of Steel: The Law, Golf and God (Bruce Kent)" #236
·33m - 19
"A Man of Steel: Bruce Kent" Pt 1 (#235)
·33m - 20
A Journey of Financial and Spiritual Stewardship: Beatty Carmichael Part 2 (#234)
·46m - 21
Faith, Family, and the South: Beatty Carmichael's Journey Part 1 (#233)
·45m - 22
When Does Life Begin? Part 4 (EP#232)
·43m - 23
When Does Life Begin? Part 3 (EP231)
·41m - 24
When Does Life Begin? Part 2 (EP#230)
·40m - 25
When Does Life Begin? - Part 1 (EP#229)
·41m - 26
No "Walls" With Young Life: Brian Walls EP#228
·1h - 27
Mission-eering: 'Taylor' Made By Tim (#227)
·1h 23m - 28
Adam Bower: Only Bows To One (#226)
·1h 34m - 29
Carefully Carrying The Anointing Pt 1 (#224)
·47m - 30
"Colombia" University: Higher Learning With Lenny (#223)
·2h 45m - 31
Charles Washington: Sunshine On The Horizon (#222)
·1h 4m - 32
Revelation vs Private Interpretation (#221)
·1h 36m - 33
Pride Before The Fall (#220)
·1h 43m - 34
Captain Marvel: Feminism's Hero #219
·51m - 35
Did You Pay The Price? #218
·44m - 36
EP 217 - To Fear Or Not to Fear: A Response to Andrew Tate
·55m - 37
Awake to Wake Ministries (EP 197)
·49m - 38
Raising Daughters (Part 3)
·30m - 39
Raising Daughters (Part 2)
·27m - 40
Raising Daughters (Part 1)
·28m - 41
Apostasy - Part 4 of 4 (EP 212)
·43m - 42
Apostasy - Part 3 of 4 (EP 211)
·43m - 43
Apostasy - Part 2 of 4 (EP 210)
·42m - 44
Apostasy - Part 1 of 4 (EP 209)
·43m - 45
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Part 9
·18m - 46
Misquoted Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Part 8
·15m - 47
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures - Part 7
·16m - 48
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures - Part 6
·15m - 49
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Pt 5
·16m - 50
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 4) - EP 203
·16m - 51
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 3) - EP 202
·16m - 52
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 2) - EP 201
·16m - 53
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 1) - EP 200
·16m - 54
From Real Estate to Kingdom Building: Apostle Doug Johnson Part 2
·41m - 55
From Drug Dealer To Hope Dealer: Apostle Doug Johnson Part 1 (EP 198)
·43m - 56
The Four People You Marry: Bill and Traci Vanderbush
·1h 2m - 57
Jason Lee Jones on His Abusive Stepfather
·10m - 58
Holy in Hollywood: Lori Livingston
·53m - 59
Almost Human Trafficked: Lori Livingston
·51m - 60
Marvel Universe's Lori Livingston
·51m - 61
EP 186 Precise Aka Bob Young: "Resistance Iz Futile"
·1h 3m - 62
EP 185 Precise aka Bob Young: "Hypnosis"
·1h - 63
EP184 Believin Stephen: Battling Unbelief
·57m - 64
EP183 Believin Stephen: The Perseverance
·1h 8m - 65
EP182 Georgian Banov: Joy, His Secret Weapon
·56m - 66
EP181 Georgian Banov on How He Survived & Escaped Communism
·58m - 67
EP180 Just Mercy: Movie Review
·1h 22m - 68
EP179 The Feminization of Fathers - Clubhouse Discussion Pt 3
·46m - 69
EP178 The Feminization of Fathers - Clubhouse Discussion Pt 2
·51m - 70
Jason Lee Jones: Discovering His Gift
·5m - 71
EP177 The Uncovery: Healing Through Community
·1h 20m - 72
Jason Lee Jones on His Calling
·6m - 73
EP176 The Feminization of Fathers - Clubhouse Discussion Pt 1
·51m - 74
EP175 - Jason Lee Jones: The Godbreed
·1h 10m - 75
Jason Lee Jones: The Brazilian Drug Lord's Invitation
·3m - 76
#174 - Does God Judge Us By Our Thoughts, Actions or Both?
·1h 25m - 77
#173 - Does God Judge Us By Our Thoughts, Actions or Both?
·1h 30m - 78
#172 - Juneteenth: Celebrating Freedom
·37m - 79
#171 - Roe vs. Wade: Will It Be Overturned?
·1h 19m - 80
#170 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 6)
·57m - 81
#169 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 5)
·56m - 82
#168 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 4)
·45m - 83
#167 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 3)
·45m - 84
#166 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 2)
·1h 10m - 85
#165 God's Perfect Woman: The Church, The Bride and The Ladies (Part 1)
·47m - 86
#164 - 4/20 Forever: Becoming Saint Jones
·1h 15m - 87
#163 - Is God In Control? - Pt 3
·50m - 88
#162 - Is God in Control? - Pt 2
·1h 3m - 89
#161 - Is God In Control? - Pt 1
·51m - 90
#160-B The Slap Heard Around The World: Who Really Wins?
·1h 35m - 91
#160-A The Slap Heard Around The World: Who Really Wins?
·1h 42m - 92
#159 Narcissism: A Sign of the Last Days
·1h 5m - 93
George Wood On His Practical and Spiritual Therapy Approach #158
·56m - 94
George Wood: From Darkness to Light #157
·43m - 95
George Wood Recalls Dark Times #156
·43m - 96
Is Being a Kingdom Citizen Enough? #155
·47m - 97
Phanatik: Falling Away #154
·39m - 98
Gawvi: Falling #153
·36m - 99
Carefully Carrying The Anointing Pt 2 (#225)
The host discusses how David's story would be perceived in modern media, contrasting biblical narrative with contemporary judgment.
·49m - 100
"Dale Mast: Discovering Your Prophetic Identity in Obedience and Purpose" #240
The host discusses the prophetic nature of prayer and uses the story of David to illustrate identity shifts and the importance of worship before ruling.
·43m - 101
EP 246 Diamond Unbroken - Diamond Cut: Freedom Isn’t Free: Re-Entry, Restoration, and Rebuilding a Life
Hidden gemVonna describes leaving jail, finding work through Hope Now for Youth, and later helping start the group in Greeley, Colorado, about an hour north of Denver.
Mar 20, 2026·33m·2 clips - 102
EP 245 Diamond Refined - Eight Years Inside: Prison, Power, Faith, and the Moment God Spoke
Pneu Pneuma Godcast features Diamond describing childhood violence, gang involvement, incarceration, faith, and Cambodian refugee identity.
Mar 6, 2026·32m·2 clips - 103
EP 244 Diamond Forged: From Refugee to the Streets: Trauma, Identity, and the Roots of Gang Life
Hidden gemPneu Pneuma Godcast interviews Vonna N, a Cambodian refugee born in Vietnam who arrived in Houston in 1978, later joined a Fresno gang, served eight years for second-degree murder, and now works in conflict mediation and restorative justice.
Feb 20, 2026·33m·2 clips - 104
EP 243 Truth Under Fire: Racism, Marriage, and Walking Out the Faith: Kenneth Chong
Hidden gemNorman Brown interviews Kenneth Chong about marriage, Christian faith, ministry, pride, and Chong’s transition from Navy aviation and program management into systems engineering for NATO.
Feb 6, 2026·36m·2 clips - 105
EP 242 Running from God: Sin, Sovereignty, and the Long Road Back: Kenneth Chong
Hidden gemPneu Pneuma Godcast’s EP 242 follows Kenneth Chong’s account of leaving clubs and Navy life after reading A Divine Revelation of Hell and hearing “More Like Him” during sea trials.
Jan 23, 2026·35m·2 clips - 106
From Isolation to Identity: Brotherhood Forged in Pressure: Kenneth Chong #241
Jan 9, 2026·35m - 107
Raising Daughters: Conversation with Myron Pt 1 #241
Host Norman Brown interviews Myron Cooper about his unique interpretation of the Song of Solomon and how it applies to raising daughters.
Dec 19, 2025·42m - 108
"Dale Mast: Discovering Your Prophetic Identity in Obedience and Purpose" #240
Nov 21, 2025·43m - 109
"Dale Mast: Faith, Destiny and Identity - Exclusive Interview" #239
An interview with a pastor discussing his background, ministry journey, and upcoming book.
Nov 7, 2025·43m - 110
"A Man Of Steel: Forgiveness and Transformation" #238
Oct 24, 2025·34m - 111
"A Man Of Steel: Juveniles, Struggles and Divine Intervention" #237
Oct 10, 2025·32m - 112
"A Man of Steel: The Law, Golf and God (Bruce Kent)" #236
Sep 26, 2025·33m - 113
"A Man of Steel: Bruce Kent" Pt 1 (#235)
Sep 12, 2025·33m - 114
A Journey of Financial and Spiritual Stewardship: Beatty Carmichael Part 2 (#234)
Aug 29, 2025·46m - 115
Faith, Family, and the South: Beatty Carmichael's Journey Part 1 (#233)
Aug 15, 2025·45m - 116
When Does Life Begin? Part 4 (EP#232)
Aug 1, 2025·43m - 117
When Does Life Begin? Part 3 (EP231)
Jul 18, 2025·41m - 118
When Does Life Begin? Part 2 (EP#230)
Jul 4, 2025·40m - 119
When Does Life Begin? - Part 1 (EP#229)
Jun 20, 2025·41m - 120
No "Walls" With Young Life: Brian Walls EP#228
A Christian podcast host interviews a guest about his testimony of overcoming drug and alcohol abuse and finding faith in Jesus.
Jun 6, 2025·1h - 121
Mission-eering: 'Taylor' Made By Tim (#227)
May 23, 2025·1h 23m - 122
Adam Bower: Only Bows To One (#226)
Jan 31, 2025·1h 34m - 123
Carefully Carrying The Anointing Pt 2 (#225)
Sep 20, 2024·49m - 124
Carefully Carrying The Anointing Pt 1 (#224)
Sep 13, 2024·47m - 125
"Colombia" University: Higher Learning With Lenny (#223)
Aug 23, 2024·2h 45m - 126
Charles Washington: Sunshine On The Horizon (#222)
Aug 9, 2024·1h 4m - 127
Revelation vs Private Interpretation (#221)
Jul 26, 2024·1h 36m - 128
Pride Before The Fall (#220)
Jul 12, 2024·1h 43m - 129
Captain Marvel: Feminism's Hero #219
Nov 10, 2023·51m - 130
Did You Pay The Price? #218
Nov 5, 2023·44m - 131
EP 217 - To Fear Or Not to Fear: A Response to Andrew Tate
Aug 4, 2023·55m - 132
Blessed Or Lucky? | The Differences Between Them (EP 216)
May 12, 2023·38m - 133
Raising Daughters (Part 3)
Apr 27, 2023·30m - 134
Raising Daughters (Part 2)
Apr 20, 2023·27m - 135
Raising Daughters (Part 1)
Apr 13, 2023·28m - 136
Apostasy - Part 4 of 4 (EP 212)
Apr 7, 2023·43m - 137
Apostasy - Part 3 of 4 (EP 211)
Mar 31, 2023·43m - 138
Apostasy - Part 2 of 4 (EP 210)
Mar 24, 2023·42m - 139
Apostasy - Part 1 of 4 (EP 209)
Mar 17, 2023·43m - 140
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Part 9
Mar 10, 2023·18m - 141
Misquoted Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Part 8
Mar 3, 2023·15m - 142
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures - Part 7
Feb 24, 2023·16m - 143
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures - Part 6
Feb 17, 2023·15m - 144
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures Pt 5
Feb 10, 2023·16m - 145
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 4) - EP 203
Feb 3, 2023·16m - 146
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 3) - EP 202
Jan 27, 2023·16m - 147
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 2) - EP 201
Jan 20, 2023·16m - 148
Misquoted, Misappropriated and Misunderstood Scriptures (Part 1) - EP 200
Jan 13, 2023·16m - 149
From Real Estate to Kingdom Building: Apostle Doug Johnson Part 2
Jan 6, 2023·41m - 150
From Drug Dealer To Hope Dealer: Apostle Doug Johnson Part 1 (EP 198)
Dec 30, 2022·43m