
One passage, read slowly, with a sermon in view.
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Fresh Text is a sermon-preparation conversation in which John Drury and a changing partner take one Bible passage suited to the church year and read it slowly. Small details drive the talk: the Greek text, a single phrase, the grief of Mary Magdalene.
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About Fresh Text
Fresh Text is a conversation about one Bible passage at a time, held with the practical aim of helping someone preach or teach it soon. John Drury hosts, introducing himself as professor of New Testament and Spiritual Formation at Indiana Wesleyan University in Marion, Indiana. His conversation partners change. The method stays the same, and each partner takes the close reading somewhere different. Passages come from the Revised Common Lectionary or are chosen to fit the church season, and Lent and Easter frame several of the recent ones. Ken Schenck, a returning guest whom Drury calls his teacher and friend, joins him on Matthew 28, and the reading is attempted straight from the Greek, with its rough edges admitted up front. Amy Peeler, who teaches Bible with a New Testament specialty at Wheaton, is the partner for John 20. That conversation stays with Mary Magdalene's deep, full-bodied grief. It reaches a gentle pastoral point: perhaps a grieving person should be measured less by how well they control their emotions. A break partway through lets it narrow to a single encounter. Brandon Charlton, associate director at the Imaginarium and now co-host and co-producer, works through a run of passages in Mark with Drury. In Mark 5 the line about Jesus perceiving that power had gone out from him opens a frank exchange about feeling spent after ministry, and about naming that experience for people outside Pentecostal settings. The same conversation observes that Jesus was not consciously setting out to heal the woman. In Mark 8 the question turns to what Jesus knew, and the talk weighs several models before settling on one that stays inside 'the sandbox of orthodoxy'. Students appear as well. Ireland Craig and Lauren Klein, from Drury's graduate seminar on the parables of Jesus, designed a series keyed to the seven woes of Matthew 23, pairing each theme with a parable aimed at Jesus's opponents or at those pressing him. Luke 10:25-37 is one stop along the way. The register moves easily between technical and plain, and Greek terms and theological vocabulary sit beside casual asides and an occasional laugh. Open questions become a reason to slow down and ask what the text allows. Some episodes begin with a brief meditation before the shared reading, and sign-offs wish the audience a good preach and a great week.
Made for: Suits a preacher or teacher working from the Revised Common Lectionary or the church calendar who wants to hear a passage talked through before writing. It also suits any listener happy to linger over Greek, translation choices and pastoral questions.
What sets it apart: Its sermon help grows out of the reading itself. Drury and a changing partner, from his own teacher to students in his graduate seminar, follow one detail, such as Jesus sensing power leave him, until it gives a preacher something to use.
In their own words
Preaching every week presents several challenges, not least of which is figuring out what to preach that weeks sermon on. Fresh Text is a weekly podcast in which Pastor-scholars discuss a scripture passage and swap sermon starter ideas. This weekly podcast is especially (though not exclusively) useful for preachers who follow Revised Common Lectionary. There is a wide variety of sermons that spawn from this podcast and if you are a preacher, pastor, or just a Christian who loves Jesus, this podcast will help you grow in Christ and become more deeply formed.
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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026
Fresh Text makes detailed biblical interpretation practical by letting sermon ideas grow from attentive, candid conversation around the text.
Fresh Text turns close reading of scripture into a lively working conversation. Host John Drury brings guests into sustained exegesis of a single passage, moving between translation choices, literary context and possible sermon applications.
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Mary Magdalene's grief gets to interrupt your tidy Easter outline.
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- to hear John Drury and Amy Peeler linger over what a Greek pronoun might mean
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Episodes
- 1
Brief Meditation on Galatians 6:1-16
·26m - 2
Mark 16:1-8 with Brandon Charlton
·26m - 3
Mark 5:21-43 with Brandon Charlton
·44m - 4
Mark 8:27-9:1 with Brandon Charlton
·46m - 5
Mark 3:7-19a with Brandon Charlton
·42m - 6
Matthew 22:1-14 with Chad Harbert
·1h 6m - 7
Matthew 20:1-16 with Sam Shaferly
·58m - 8
Luke 18:9-14 with Josh Ferro
·54m - 9
Luke 16:19-30 with Maddey Hines
·56m - 10
Luke 15:1-2, 11-32 with Shanta Reddy
·54m - 11
Luke 10:25-37 with Hannah Woods
·54m - 12
Mark 4:30-34 with Lizzie Gatlin | Flipped: A Series on the Parables of Jesus
·45m - 13
Matthew 2:13-23 with Matthew Milliner
·57m - 14
Matthew 2:1-12 with Aaron Perry
·40m - 15
Brief Mediation on Matthew 1:18-25
·19m - 16
Brief Mediation on Matthew 1:1-17
·15m - 17
Colossians 1:11-20 with Bailey Sonnenberg
·1h 2m - 18
2 Thessalonians 3 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 1m - 19
2 Thessalonians 2 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·58m - 20
2 Thessalonians 1 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 3m - 21
2 Timothy 4:6-8 with Bud Bence
·1h 1m - 22
Psalm 146 with Aubrey Buster
·43m - 23
2 Timothy 2:8-15 with Ken Schenck
·57m - 24
2 Timothy 1:1-14 with Jonathan Morgan
·1h - 25
1 Timothy 6:6-19 with Eddy Shigley
·1h 1m - 26
1 Timothy 2:1-7 with Amy Peeler
·33m - 27
1 Timothy 1:12-17 with Amy Peeler
·43m - 28
Philemon 1:1-21 with DJ Coleman
·1h - 29
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 13:1-8; 15-16
·21m - 30
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 12:18-29
·18m - 31
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 11:29-12:2
·24m - 32
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 11:1-3;8-6
·21m - 33
Brief Meditation on Colossians 3:1-11
·21m - 34
Brief Meditation on Colossians 2:6-15
·21m - 35
Brief Meditation on Colossians 1:15-28
·23m - 36
Brief Meditation on Colossians 1:1-14
·23m - 37
John 20: 1-18 with Dr. Amy Peeler
·1h 2m - 38
Brief Meditation on Galatians 5:1, 13-25
·23m - 39
Brief Meditation on Galatians 3:23-29
·21m - 40
Romans 8:12-17 with Chris Bounds (Trinity Sunday)
·1h 11m - 41
Mark 12:1-12 with Alex Lawrence and Tim Kelly
·1h 1m - 42
Matthew 21:28-32 with Tim Kelly and Alex Lawrence
·1h 4m - 43
Mark 7.1-25 with Caleb Hines
·1h 6m - 44
Luke 10:25-37 with Ireland Craig and Lauren Klein
·1h 2m - 45
John 10 with Kyle Lortz and Gracie Nelson
·1h 2m - 46
Matthew 7:15-20 with Keaton Stout
·1h - 47
Luke 15 with Caleb Propst and Gabe Ramsey
·1h 5m - 48
1 Peter 4:1-8 with Colleen Deer
·46m - 49
Philippians 3:17-4:1 with David Drury
·1h - 50
Philippians 3:4b-14 with Josh Lavender
·58m - 51
Hebrews 9:24-28 with Dr. Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 16m - 52
John 13:1-4 with Dr. Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 13m - 53
Romans 10:8b-13 with Dr. Abson Joseph
·55m - 54
1 Corinthians 15:51-58 with Dr. Beverly Gaventa
·55m - 55
1 Corinthians 15:35-50 with Dr. Matt Novenson
·59m - 56
Psalm 82 with Carmen Imes
·56m - 57
Brief Meditation on Isaiah 9:8
·12m - 58
Brief Meditation on Isaiah 9:6
·15m - 59
Brief Meditation on Isaiah 7:14
·14m - 60
1 Thessalonians 5 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·59m - 61
1 Thessalonians 4 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 10m - 62
1 Thessalonians 3 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 7m - 63
1 Thessalonians 2 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 5m - 64
1 Thessalonians 1 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
·1h 3m - 65
Ruth 3 with Andrea Summers
·46m - 66
Ruth 4 with Dr. Daniel J. Freemyer
·1h - 67
Ruth 2 with Dr. Elaine Bernius
·1h 8m - 68
Ruth 1 with Sarah Coleson-Derck
·1h 1m - 69
Apostle's Creed Pt. 3 with Amanda Drury
·58m - 70
Apostle's Creed Pt. 2 with Amanda Drury
·48m - 71
Apostles' Creed Series pt. 1 with Amanda Drury
·51m - 72
Esther 7:1-12, 9:20-23 with Elaine Bernius
·59m - 73
Proverbs 31:10-31 with Larisa Levicheva
·54m - 74
Proverbs 1:20-33 with Larisa Levicheva
·57m - 75
Proverbs 22:1-2, 8-9, 22-23 with Larisa Levicheva
·51m - 76
Brief Meditation on Song of Solomon 2:8-13
·17m - 77
Meditated Reading on 1 Kings 8
·21m - 78
Brief Meditation on 1 Kings 2:10-12, 3:3-14
·15m - 79
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 18
·24m - 80
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 11:26-12:13a
·26m - 81
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 11:1-25
·27m - 82
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 7:1-17
·17m - 83
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 6:1-5, 12b-19
·35m - 84
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 5:1-5, 9-10
·18m - 85
Brief Meditation on 2 Samuel 1:1, 17-27
·17m - 86
Brief Meditation on 1 Samuel 17:57-18:16
·21m - 87
A Brief Meditation on 1 Samuel 15:34-16:13
·19m - 88
A Brief Meditation on 1 Samuel 8:4-22
·18m - 89
A Brief Meditation on 1 Samuel 3:1-20
·20m - 90
Acts 26:19-23 with Caleb Stout
·42m - 91
Acts 23:1-11 with Levi Tidwell
·52m - 92
Acts 22:17-21 with Josiah Smith
·50m - 93
Acts 18:1-11 with Ashley Hirdning
·54m - 94
Acts 9:32-35 with Andrew Baughman
·43m - 95
Acts 9:1-22 with Haley Fouts
·57m - 96
Acts 7:51-60 with Raegan Tippey
·47m - 97
Acts 1:1-11 with Nathan York
·51m - 98
Hebrews 2:14-18 with Amy Peeler
Hidden gemFresh Text’s Hebrews 2:14-18 conversation with Amy Peeler centers on the claim that Jesus 'would render inoperative the one who has power of death,' and on the phrase 'through fear of death.' John Drury, professor of New Testament Spiritual Formation at Indiana Wesleyan University, and Amy Peeler, who teaches New Testament at Wheaton College, connect that language to Hebrews’ broader emphasis on perseverance, courage, and priestly mediation.
·43m·2 clips - 99
Judges 2:10-19 with Dr. DJ Coleman
A conversation between two pastor-scholars analyzing Judges 2:10-19 for sermon preparation.
·54m - 100
1 Corinthians 15:12-20 with Dr. Ken Schenck
Host John Drury and guest Ken Schenck discuss 1 Corinthians 15:12-20, exploring the resurrection of the dead and offering sermon starter ideas for pastors.
·54m - 101
Matthew 28:1-10 with Dr. Ken Schenck
John Drury and Ken Schenck read Matthew 28:1-10 from Schenck's own Greek translation, including the angel's command rendered "stop being afraid" rather than "don't be afraid." They debate the opening time marker, concluding from the dictionary that it points to dawn on the first day of the week rather than the evening after the Sabbath.
Apr 13, 2026·49m·2 clips - 102
John 20: 1-18 with Dr. Amy Peeler
Hidden gemJohn Drury and Amy Peeler spend most of Fresh Text on John 20:1-18, with special attention to Mary Magdalene, the empty tomb, and the repeated line 'they have taken the Lord.' They compare the NLT, NRSV, and Greek, especially the NLT’s addition of 'body' in verse 2 and the ambiguity of 'he saw and believed' in verse 8.
Apr 6, 2026·1h 2m·4 clips - 103
Mark 16:1-8 with Brandon Charlton
Host John Drury and co-host Brandon Charlton introduce a new series on Mark 16:1-8, discussing the passage and its relevance for sermon preparation.
Mar 30, 2026·26m - 104
Mark 5:21-43 with Brandon Charlton
Hidden gemJohn Drury and Brandon Charlton read Mark 5:21-43 and center the passage on the line, "Sometimes the interruption is the point," tying Jairus’s daughter and the bleeding woman together.
Mar 23, 2026·44m·2 clips - 105
Mark 8:27-9:1 with Brandon Charlton
Hidden gemJohn Drury and Brandon Charlton read Mark 8:27–9:1 and focus on Caesarea Philippi, Peter’s confession that Jesus is "the Messiah," and Jesus’ immediate warning not to tell anyone.
Mar 16, 2026·46m·3 clips - 106
Mark 3:7-19a with Brandon Charlton
Mar 10, 2026·42m - 107
Matthew 22:1-14 with Chad Harbert
Mar 2, 2026·1h 6m - 108
Matthew 20:1-16 with Sam Shaferly
Feb 16, 2026·58m - 109
Luke 18:9-14 with Josh Ferro
Feb 9, 2026·54m - 110
Luke 16:19-30 with Maddey Hines
Feb 2, 2026·56m - 111
Luke 15:1-2, 11-32 with Shanta Reddy
Jan 26, 2026·54m - 112
Luke 10:25-37 with Hannah Woods
Jan 13, 2026·54m - 113
Mark 4:30-34 with Lizzie Gatlin | Flipped: A Series on the Parables of Jesus
Dec 29, 2025·45m - 114
Matthew 2:13-23 with Matthew Milliner
Dec 15, 2025·57m - 115
Matthew 2:1-12 with Aaron Perry
Dec 8, 2025·40m - 116
Brief Mediation on Matthew 1:18-25
Dec 1, 2025·19m - 117
Brief Mediation on Matthew 1:1-17
Nov 24, 2025·15m - 118
Colossians 1:11-20 with Bailey Sonnenberg
Nov 17, 2025·1h 2m - 119
2 Thessalonians 3 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Nov 10, 2025·1h 1m - 120
2 Thessalonians 2 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Nov 3, 2025·58m - 121
2 Thessalonians 1 with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Oct 27, 2025·1h 3m - 122
2 Timothy 4:6-8 with Bud Bence
Oct 20, 2025·1h 1m - 123
Psalm 146 with Aubrey Buster
Oct 13, 2025·43m - 124
2 Timothy 2:8-15 with Ken Schenck
Oct 6, 2025·57m - 125
2 Timothy 1:1-14 with Jonathan Morgan
Sep 29, 2025·1h - 126
1 Timothy 6:6-19 with Eddy Shigley
Sep 22, 2025·1h 1m - 127
1 Timothy 2:1-7 with Amy Peeler
Sep 15, 2025·33m - 128
1 Timothy 1:12-17 with Amy Peeler
Sep 8, 2025·43m - 129
Philemon 1:1-21 with DJ Coleman
Sep 1, 2025·1h - 130
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 13:1-8; 15-16
Aug 25, 2025·21m - 131
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 12:18-29
Aug 18, 2025·18m - 132
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 11:29-12:2
Aug 11, 2025·24m - 133
Brief Meditation on Hebrews 11:1-3;8-6
Aug 4, 2025·21m - 134
Brief Meditation on Colossians 3:1-11
Jul 28, 2025·21m - 135
Brief Meditation on Colossians 2:6-15
Jul 21, 2025·21m - 136
Brief Meditation on Colossians 1:15-28
Jul 14, 2025·23m - 137
Brief Meditation on Colossians 1:1-14
Jul 7, 2025·23m - 138
Brief Meditation on Galatians 6:1-16
Jun 30, 2025·26m - 139
Brief Meditation on Galatians 5:1, 13-25
Jun 23, 2025·23m - 140
Brief Meditation on Galatians 3:23-29
Jun 16, 2025·21m - 141
Romans 8:12-17 with Chris Bounds (Trinity Sunday)
Jun 9, 2025·1h 11m - 142
Mark 12:1-12 with Alex Lawrence and Tim Kelly
Jun 2, 2025·1h 1m - 143
Matthew 21:28-32 with Tim Kelly and Alex Lawrence
May 26, 2025·1h 4m - 144
Mark 7.1-25 with Caleb Hines
May 19, 2025·1h 6m - 145
Luke 10:25-37 with Ireland Craig and Lauren Klein
Pastor scholars discuss the parable of the Good Samaritan from Luke 10:25-37, exploring its themes of love and mercy.
May 12, 2025·1h 2m - 146
John 10 with Kyle Lortz and Gracie Nelson
Hidden gemJohn 10 with Kyle Lortz and Gracie Nelson centers on whether Jesus’ “figure of speech” in John 10 should count as a parable, and John Drury frames it as part of Fresh Text’s Parables series.
May 5, 2025·1h 2m·4 clips - 147
Matthew 7:15-20 with Keaton Stout
Apr 28, 2025·1h - 148
Luke 15 with Caleb Propst and Gabe Ramsey
Apr 22, 2025·1h 5m - 149
1 Peter 4:1-8 with Colleen Deer
Apr 18, 2025·46m - 150
Philippians 3:17-4:1 with David Drury
Apr 7, 2025·1h