Chasing Elephants Podcast

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Candid Christian leadership for hard conversations.

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Chasing Elephants Podcast is a Christian leadership show built around honest, practical conversations. Episodes move from youth ministry stories and biblical interpretation to friendship, doubt, cultural pressure, and the habits that sustain faithful leaders.

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About Chasing Elephants Podcast

Chasing Elephants Podcast is a Christian leadership show for people who live near the overlap of ministry, theology, students, and culture. It favors roomy conversations over tight interviews. Episodes often open with banter, travel notes, or a vivid ministry story, then turn toward the heavier question underneath. What keeps a youth pastor in one place for decades? What kind of friendship can handle weakness without turning it into a performance? What happens when a Christian leader lets doubt become a teacher instead of an exit door? The show keeps returning to those formation questions. Jeff Wallace is a steady presence in the excerpts, bringing warmth, humor, and a direct pastoral register. Brent appears in friendship conversations where biblical history, leadership pressure, and personal vulnerability get braided together. Guests broaden the frame without pulling the show away from its core. Jody Livingston speaks into longevity and staying power in youth ministry. Shane Pruitt presses the importance of getting Jesus right, especially when cultural or social-media versions of Jesus flatten repentance and discipleship. Pastor Todd Mullins discusses doubt, leadership growth, and the choice to lean toward correction rather than shrink from it. Megan Fate Marshman brings a lighter, relational interview energy around Jesus, ministry, and the idea of rest. Dr. Bill Brown appears in a Scholar-in-Residence context for worldview, ethics, morality, pronouns, and same-sex wedding questions. The show assumes Christian categories without apologizing for them. It is also more conversational than academic. Its theology comes through stories, Scripture references, leadership examples, and ministry-room language. The pacing can be loose, but the throughline is clear: faithful leadership requires conviction, friendship, humility, and a willingness to have hard conversations out loud.

Made for: The show suits youth pastors, student ministry leaders, educators, and Christian listeners who want practical theology tied to real leadership pressure. It is especially aligned with listeners comfortable inside a Christian ministry framework.

What sets it apart: Chasing Elephants Podcast stands out by mixing relaxed SLU-style conversation with direct treatment of theology, friendship, doubt, and cultural ethics. It feels less like a sermon feed and more like leaders thinking aloud from lived ministry experience.

In their own words

This podcast is designed to create room for critical thinking and creative discussions. It is our hope you will join us every week for real, honest, relevant and hard conversations about leadership and more.

As heard by us

Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Christian theology becomes a working guide to ministry, friendship and faith under pressure in Jeff Wallace's lively conversations.

Chasing Elephants Podcast turns Christian leadership questions into candid, energetic conversations led by Jeff Wallace. Guest interviews address staying in youth ministry and meeting doubt without retreat, while exchanges with Brent Crowe use the friendship of Paul and Barnabas…

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A youth-group fiasco sits beside Paul and Barnabas, exactly where your leadership questions get interesting.

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  • candid ministry stories that let you learn from failure without borrowing the fallout
  • biblical friendship made practical enough to examine who gets your unpolished self
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Episodes

  1. 1

    Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Part Two): Samaritan’s Purse Disaster Relief | Ep.216

    ·25m
  2. 2

    Staying Power (Feat. Jody Livingston) | Ep. 251

    ·57m
  3. 3

    Not my Jesus (Feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 250

    ·41m
  4. 4

    Friendship like this... Pt.2 | Ep. 249

    ·29m
  5. 5

    Friendship like this... | Ep. 248

    ·35m
  6. 6

    Lit Up With Love (feat. Derwin Gray) | Ep. 247

    ·29m
  7. 7

    Equipping the Next Generation for a Polarized World (feat. Jason Jimenez) | Ep. 246

    ·47m
  8. 8

    The Heart of a Father | Ep. 245

    ·47m
  9. 9

    Training Youth Ministry Volunteers (feat. Brian Preston) | EP. 244

    ·42m
  10. 10

    No more awkward parent ministry (feat Chad Higgins) | EP. 243

    ·44m
  11. 11

    Reaching the Next Generation (feat. Shane Pruitt) - Ep. 225

    ·37m
  12. 12

    Episode 167: 7 THINGS Part 2 (7 Awkward Moments)

    ·39m
  13. 13

    Curiosity (feat. Drew Worsham) | EP. 242

    ·32m
  14. 14

    This Story has POWER (feat. Pastor Ed Newton) | EP. 241

    ·49m
  15. 15

    Raising Real kids, not ideal kids (feat. Dr. Kathy Koch) | EP. 240

    ·41m
  16. 16

    The Cross and the Empty Tomb - Preparing Our Hearts for Good Friday and Easter| Ep. 239

    ·32m
  17. 17

    The King and the Lamb - Preparing Our Hearts for Passover and Palm Sunday | EP. 238

    ·29m
  18. 18

    COVID & Culture - 5 Years Later | EP. 237

    ·50m
  19. 19

    The Question of Leadership (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 236

    ·50m
  20. 20

    The Question of God’s Mission (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 235

    ·46m
  21. 21

    Spiritual Formation (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 234

    ·38m
  22. 22

    Ethics and How We Should Think | EP. 233

    ·27m
  23. 23

    Don’t Let Doubt Take You Out: An Interview with Pastor Todd Mullins | Ep. 232

    ·49m
  24. 24

    The Ethics of the Creation Order: Why Gender Matters | Ep. 231

    ·39m
  25. 25

    The Four Loves to Christian Leadership | Ep. 230

    ·1h
  26. 26

    A Candid Conversation with Dr. Robert Smith | Ep. 229

    ·29m
  27. 27

    'Voices from the Trenches (Part 2) | Ep.228

    ·20m
  28. 28

    Voices from the Trenches (Part 1) | Ep.227

    ·35m
  29. 29

    New Year's Resolution? - Ep.224

    ·23m
  30. 30

    Embarrassing Christmas Moments - Ep.223

    ·37m
  31. 31

    Family Advent Traditions - Ep.222

    ·36m
  32. 32

    Keeping Advent Sacred - Ep.221

    ·34m
  33. 33

    The Attitude of Gratitude - Ep. 220

    ·38m
  34. 34

    Eugene Cho - Hunger in America | Ep. 219

    ·27m
  35. 35

    Election Recap and why Leadership Matters | Ep. 218

    ·44m
  36. 36

    To Vote or Not to Vote | Ep. 217

    ·49m
  37. 37

    Dream like the King | Ep.226

    ·31m
  38. 38

    Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Florida Baptist Convention Disaster Relief) | Ep. 215

    ·37m
  39. 39

    10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 2) | Ep. 214

    ·34m
  40. 40

    10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 1) | Ep. 213

    ·31m
  41. 41

    How Daniel's Faith Changed the Course of History | Ep. 212

    ·23m
  42. 42

    Building Leaders in a Crisis: Lessons from Egypt and Daniel | Ep. 211

    ·33m
  43. 43

    Megan Fate Marshman on Why Jesus Was Relaxed & How To Be In Our Lives | Ep. 210

    ·47m
  44. 44

    How To Succeed in School This Year! | Ep. 209

    ·22m
  45. 45

    The 4 Things We Learned This Summer | Ep. 208

    ·44m
  46. 46

    How to Be The Best Leader You Can Be | Ep. 207

    ·12m
  47. 47

    Jeff Wallace, Ph.D. "Master Your Leadership" | Ep. 206

    ·32m
  48. 48

    Brent Crowe, Ph.D. “Patriotic Ethos” (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 205

    ·31m
  49. 49

    Edward Graham "Change The World" (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 204

    ·35m
  50. 50

    Derwin Gray "Woke" Misappropriation and True Mercy: Lessons from the Good Samaritan | Ep 203

    ·55m
  51. 51

    Facing Fear and Rejection: Bethany Barr Phillips on Leading Creatively | Ep 202

    ·39m
  52. 52

    A Conversation with Living Legends Pat Williams and Dr. Jay Strack | Ep. 201

    ·59m
  53. 53

    A Conversation with Black Hawk Down Hero, Jeff Struecker | Ep. 156

    ·41m
  54. 54

    Episode 155: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Marty of Social Club Misfits)

    ·42m
  55. 55

    Episode 154: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Jared Hall)

    ·48m
  56. 56

    Episode 153: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Drew Worsham)

    ·35m
  57. 57

    Episode 152: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Dr. Sean McDowell)

    ·52m
  58. 58

    Why We Celebrate Juneteenth: A Historical Perspective | Ep. 199

    ·24m
  59. 59

    David Nasser on Sustainable Ministry | Ep. 197

    ·1h 11m
  60. 60

    Lukas Lezon | Building Culture, Your Calling & Next-Gen Ministry | Ep. 196

    ·53m
  61. 61

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 7: The Young-er Leader | Ep. 195

    ·23m
  62. 62

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 6: The Old-er Leader | Ep. 194

    ·57m
  63. 63

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 5: The Wounded Leader | Ep. 193

    ·22m
  64. 64

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 4: The Higgledy Piggledy Leader | Ep. 192

    ·34m
  65. 65

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 3: The Overconfident Leader | Ep. 191

    ·30m
  66. 66

    Shama Exposing Awkward Christian Culture | Ep. 190

    ·50m
  67. 67

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 2: The Overlooked Leader | Ep. 189

    ·31m
  68. 68

    7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 1: The Reluctant Leader | Ep. 188

    ·52m
  69. 69

    GEN-Z Embracing the Call (feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 187

    ·35m
  70. 70

    How This Spiritual Discipline Can Help Change Your Life (LENT Part 3) | Ep. 186

    ·31m
  71. 71

    How Lent Can Change Your Prayer Life (LENT Part 2) | Ep. 185

    ·28m
  72. 72

    Why You Should Practice Lent This Year (LENT Part 1) | Ep. 184

    ·31m
  73. 73

    Don't Pretend to Be Married: (Dating Part 2) | Ep. 183

    ·29m
  74. 74

    Don't Pretend to be Married (Dating Part 1) | Ep. 182

    ·51m
  75. 75

    Black History Month: Celebrating Unity and Faith in African American History | Ep. 181

    ·50m
  76. 76

    How Not to Be a Looser (Part 3) | Ep. 180

    ·48m
  77. 77

    How Not to Be a Looser (Part 2) | Ep. 179

    ·35m
  78. 78

    40 Days of a Digital Fast feat. Darren Whitehead | Ep. 178

    ·56m
  79. 79

    How Not to Be a Looser (Part 1) | Ep. 177

    ·35m
  80. 80

    We Are Quitting... Here's why | Ep. 176

    ·45m
  81. 81

    What You Can Learn From 2023 | Ep. 175

    ·41m
  82. 82

    Most Embarrassing Christmas Moments | Ep. 174

    ·37m
  83. 83

    Your Top 3 Questions Answered About Advent | Ep. 173

    ·39m
  84. 84

    How To Be Generous on Black Friday | Ep. 172

    ·42m
  85. 85

    The Secrets To Leading Creatives In Ministry with El Vow | Ep. 171

    ·45m
  86. 86

    6 Ways to Celebrate Veteran’s Day | Ep. 170

    ·28m
  87. 87

    Episode 169: 7 THINGS Part 4 (7 Golden Life Hacks)

    ·20m
  88. 88

    Episode 168: 7 THINGS Part 3 (7 Books for Leaders)

    ·26m
  89. 89

    Episode 166: How to Pray for the Israel/Palestine War

    ·53m
  90. 90

    Episode 165: 7 THINGS Part 1 (Travel Tips)

    ·46m
  91. 91

    Episode 164: Good Neighbor

    ·32m
  92. 92

    Episode 163: Defining Moments (Part 5)

    ·38m
  93. 93

    Episode 162: Defining Moments (Part 4)

    ·35m
  94. 94

    Episode 161: Defining Moments (Part 3)

    ·39m
  95. 95

    Episode 160: Defining Moments (Part 2)

    ·37m
  96. 96

    Episode 159: Defining Moments (Part 1)

    ·42m
  97. 97

    Episode 158: Back to School

    ·40m
  98. 98

    Episode 157: Summer Wrap Up

    ·17m
  99. 99

    How to Approach LGBTQIA+ in Student Ministry | SLU Scholar in Residence Ep. 198

    A Christian leader discusses biblical perspectives on pronouns and attending same-sex weddings during Pride Month.

    ·56m
  100. 100

    Faith, Stunts, and Hollywood: Conversations with James Sang Lee | Ep. 200

    Host Jeff Wallace introduces a solo episode featuring an interview with a friend who has a unique and dangerous job, framed within a Christian leadership perspective.

    ·40m
  101. 101

    Staying Power (Feat. Jody Livingston) | Ep. 251

    Hidden gem

    Jody Livingston and Jeff Wallace connect Chasing Elephants Podcast Ep.

    Sep 5, 2025·57m·2 clips
  102. 102

    Not my Jesus (Feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 250

    Hidden gem

    Shane Pruitt and Jeff Wallace use Chasing Elephants Podcast Ep.

    Aug 22, 2025·41m·2 clips
  103. 103

    Friendship like this... Pt.2 | Ep. 249

    Hidden gem

    Chasing Elephants Podcast episode 249, "Friendship like this...

    Aug 8, 2025·29m·1 clip
  104. 104

    Friendship like this... | Ep. 248

    Hidden gem

    Brent Acrow and Jeff Wallace examine friendship through David and Jonathan, then focus on Barnabas bringing Saul to Antioch in Acts 11.

    Jul 25, 2025·35m·2 clips
  105. 105

    Lit Up With Love (feat. Derwin Gray) | Ep. 247

    Jul 11, 2025·29m
  106. 106

    Equipping the Next Generation for a Polarized World (feat. Jason Jimenez) | Ep. 246

    Jun 27, 2025·47m
  107. 107

    The Heart of a Father | Ep. 245

    Jun 13, 2025·47m
  108. 108

    Training Youth Ministry Volunteers (feat. Brian Preston) | EP. 244

    May 30, 2025·42m
  109. 109

    No more awkward parent ministry (feat Chad Higgins) | EP. 243

    May 16, 2025·44m
  110. 110

    Curiosity (feat. Drew Worsham) | EP. 242

    May 9, 2025·32m
  111. 111

    This Story has POWER (feat. Pastor Ed Newton) | EP. 241

    May 2, 2025·49m
  112. 112

    Raising Real kids, not ideal kids (feat. Dr. Kathy Koch) | EP. 240

    Apr 25, 2025·41m
  113. 113

    The Cross and the Empty Tomb - Preparing Our Hearts for Good Friday and Easter| Ep. 239

    Apr 18, 2025·32m
  114. 114

    The King and the Lamb - Preparing Our Hearts for Passover and Palm Sunday | EP. 238

    Apr 11, 2025·29m
  115. 115

    COVID & Culture - 5 Years Later | EP. 237

    Apr 4, 2025·50m
  116. 116

    The Question of Leadership (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 236

    Mar 28, 2025·50m
  117. 117

    The Question of God’s Mission (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 235

    Mar 21, 2025·46m
  118. 118

    Spiritual Formation (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 234

    Mar 14, 2025·38m
  119. 119

    Ethics and How We Should Think | EP. 233

    Mar 7, 2025·27m
  120. 120

    Don’t Let Doubt Take You Out: An Interview with Pastor Todd Mullins | Ep. 232

    Hidden gem

    Pastor Todd Mullins discusses his new book on faith and leadership, emphasizing how faith becomes real during trials.

    Feb 28, 2025·49m·2 clips
  121. 121

    The Ethics of the Creation Order: Why Gender Matters | Ep. 231

    Feb 21, 2025·39m
  122. 122

    The Four Loves to Christian Leadership | Ep. 230

    Feb 14, 2025·1h
  123. 123

    A Candid Conversation with Dr. Robert Smith | Ep. 229

    Feb 7, 2025·29m
  124. 124

    'Voices from the Trenches (Part 2) | Ep.228

    Jan 31, 2025·20m
  125. 125

    Voices from the Trenches (Part 1) | Ep.227

    Jan 24, 2025·35m
  126. 126

    Dream like the King | Ep.226

    Jan 17, 2025·31m
  127. 127

    Reaching the Next Generation (feat. Shane Pruitt) - Ep. 225

    Jan 10, 2025·37m
  128. 128

    New Year's Resolution? - Ep.224

    Jan 3, 2025·23m
  129. 129

    Embarrassing Christmas Moments - Ep.223

    Dec 20, 2024·37m
  130. 130

    Family Advent Traditions - Ep.222

    Dec 13, 2024·36m
  131. 131

    Keeping Advent Sacred - Ep.221

    Dec 6, 2024·34m
  132. 132

    The Attitude of Gratitude - Ep. 220

    Nov 22, 2024·38m
  133. 133

    Eugene Cho - Hunger in America | Ep. 219

    Nov 15, 2024·27m
  134. 134

    Election Recap and why Leadership Matters | Ep. 218

    Nov 6, 2024·44m
  135. 135

    To Vote or Not to Vote | Ep. 217

    Nov 1, 2024·49m
  136. 136

    Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Part Two): Samaritan’s Purse Disaster Relief | Ep.216

    Oct 25, 2024·25m
  137. 137

    Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Florida Baptist Convention Disaster Relief) | Ep. 215

    Oct 18, 2024·37m
  138. 138

    10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 2) | Ep. 214

    Oct 11, 2024·34m
  139. 139

    10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 1) | Ep. 213

    Oct 4, 2024·31m
  140. 140

    How Daniel's Faith Changed the Course of History | Ep. 212

    Sep 27, 2024·23m
  141. 141

    Building Leaders in a Crisis: Lessons from Egypt and Daniel | Ep. 211

    Sep 20, 2024·33m
  142. 142

    Megan Fate Marshman on Why Jesus Was Relaxed & How To Be In Our Lives | Ep. 210

    The host introduces a conversation with Christian author Megan Fate Marshman about her new resource, emphasizing its impact on leadership and team development.

    Sep 13, 2024·47m
  143. 143

    How To Succeed in School This Year! | Ep. 209

    Sep 6, 2024·22m
  144. 144

    The 4 Things We Learned This Summer | Ep. 208

    Aug 23, 2024·44m
  145. 145

    How to Be The Best Leader You Can Be | Ep. 207

    Aug 16, 2024·12m
  146. 146

    Jeff Wallace, Ph.D. "Master Your Leadership" | Ep. 206

    Aug 9, 2024·32m
  147. 147

    Brent Crowe, Ph.D. “Patriotic Ethos” (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 205

    Aug 2, 2024·31m
  148. 148

    Edward Graham "Change The World" (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 204

    Jul 26, 2024·35m
  149. 149

    Derwin Gray "Woke" Misappropriation and True Mercy: Lessons from the Good Samaritan | Ep 203

    Jul 19, 2024·55m
  150. 150

    Facing Fear and Rejection: Bethany Barr Phillips on Leading Creatively | Ep 202

    Jul 12, 2024·39m