
Candid Christian leadership for hard conversations.
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Chasing Elephants Podcast is a Christian leadership show built around honest, practical conversations. Episodes move from youth ministry stories and biblical interpretation to friendship, doubt, cultural pressure, and the habits that sustain faithful leaders.
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About Chasing Elephants Podcast
Chasing Elephants Podcast is a Christian leadership show for people who live near the overlap of ministry, theology, students, and culture. It favors roomy conversations over tight interviews. Episodes often open with banter, travel notes, or a vivid ministry story, then turn toward the heavier question underneath. What keeps a youth pastor in one place for decades? What kind of friendship can handle weakness without turning it into a performance? What happens when a Christian leader lets doubt become a teacher instead of an exit door? The show keeps returning to those formation questions. Jeff Wallace is a steady presence in the excerpts, bringing warmth, humor, and a direct pastoral register. Brent appears in friendship conversations where biblical history, leadership pressure, and personal vulnerability get braided together. Guests broaden the frame without pulling the show away from its core. Jody Livingston speaks into longevity and staying power in youth ministry. Shane Pruitt presses the importance of getting Jesus right, especially when cultural or social-media versions of Jesus flatten repentance and discipleship. Pastor Todd Mullins discusses doubt, leadership growth, and the choice to lean toward correction rather than shrink from it. Megan Fate Marshman brings a lighter, relational interview energy around Jesus, ministry, and the idea of rest. Dr. Bill Brown appears in a Scholar-in-Residence context for worldview, ethics, morality, pronouns, and same-sex wedding questions. The show assumes Christian categories without apologizing for them. It is also more conversational than academic. Its theology comes through stories, Scripture references, leadership examples, and ministry-room language. The pacing can be loose, but the throughline is clear: faithful leadership requires conviction, friendship, humility, and a willingness to have hard conversations out loud.
Made for: The show suits youth pastors, student ministry leaders, educators, and Christian listeners who want practical theology tied to real leadership pressure. It is especially aligned with listeners comfortable inside a Christian ministry framework.
What sets it apart: Chasing Elephants Podcast stands out by mixing relaxed SLU-style conversation with direct treatment of theology, friendship, doubt, and cultural ethics. It feels less like a sermon feed and more like leaders thinking aloud from lived ministry experience.
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This podcast is designed to create room for critical thinking and creative discussions. It is our hope you will join us every week for real, honest, relevant and hard conversations about leadership and more.
As heard by us
Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026
Christian theology becomes a working guide to ministry, friendship and faith under pressure in Jeff Wallace's lively conversations.
Chasing Elephants Podcast turns Christian leadership questions into candid, energetic conversations led by Jeff Wallace. Guest interviews address staying in youth ministry and meeting doubt without retreat, while exchanges with Brent Crowe use the friendship of Paul and Barnabas…
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A youth-group fiasco sits beside Paul and Barnabas, exactly where your leadership questions get interesting.
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- candid ministry stories that let you learn from failure without borrowing the fallout
- biblical friendship made practical enough to examine who gets your unpolished self
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Episodes
- 1
Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Part Two): Samaritan’s Purse Disaster Relief | Ep.216
·25m - 2
Staying Power (Feat. Jody Livingston) | Ep. 251
·57m - 3
Not my Jesus (Feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 250
·41m - 4
Friendship like this... Pt.2 | Ep. 249
·29m - 5
Friendship like this... | Ep. 248
·35m - 6
Lit Up With Love (feat. Derwin Gray) | Ep. 247
·29m - 7
Equipping the Next Generation for a Polarized World (feat. Jason Jimenez) | Ep. 246
·47m - 8
The Heart of a Father | Ep. 245
·47m - 9
Training Youth Ministry Volunteers (feat. Brian Preston) | EP. 244
·42m - 10
No more awkward parent ministry (feat Chad Higgins) | EP. 243
·44m - 11
Reaching the Next Generation (feat. Shane Pruitt) - Ep. 225
·37m - 12
Episode 167: 7 THINGS Part 2 (7 Awkward Moments)
·39m - 13
Curiosity (feat. Drew Worsham) | EP. 242
·32m - 14
This Story has POWER (feat. Pastor Ed Newton) | EP. 241
·49m - 15
Raising Real kids, not ideal kids (feat. Dr. Kathy Koch) | EP. 240
·41m - 16
The Cross and the Empty Tomb - Preparing Our Hearts for Good Friday and Easter| Ep. 239
·32m - 17
The King and the Lamb - Preparing Our Hearts for Passover and Palm Sunday | EP. 238
·29m - 18
COVID & Culture - 5 Years Later | EP. 237
·50m - 19
The Question of Leadership (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 236
·50m - 20
The Question of God’s Mission (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 235
·46m - 21
Spiritual Formation (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 234
·38m - 22
Ethics and How We Should Think | EP. 233
·27m - 23
Don’t Let Doubt Take You Out: An Interview with Pastor Todd Mullins | Ep. 232
·49m - 24
The Ethics of the Creation Order: Why Gender Matters | Ep. 231
·39m - 25
The Four Loves to Christian Leadership | Ep. 230
·1h - 26
A Candid Conversation with Dr. Robert Smith | Ep. 229
·29m - 27
'Voices from the Trenches (Part 2) | Ep.228
·20m - 28
Voices from the Trenches (Part 1) | Ep.227
·35m - 29
New Year's Resolution? - Ep.224
·23m - 30
Embarrassing Christmas Moments - Ep.223
·37m - 31
Family Advent Traditions - Ep.222
·36m - 32
Keeping Advent Sacred - Ep.221
·34m - 33
The Attitude of Gratitude - Ep. 220
·38m - 34
Eugene Cho - Hunger in America | Ep. 219
·27m - 35
Election Recap and why Leadership Matters | Ep. 218
·44m - 36
To Vote or Not to Vote | Ep. 217
·49m - 37
Dream like the King | Ep.226
·31m - 38
Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Florida Baptist Convention Disaster Relief) | Ep. 215
·37m - 39
10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 2) | Ep. 214
·34m - 40
10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 1) | Ep. 213
·31m - 41
How Daniel's Faith Changed the Course of History | Ep. 212
·23m - 42
Building Leaders in a Crisis: Lessons from Egypt and Daniel | Ep. 211
·33m - 43
Megan Fate Marshman on Why Jesus Was Relaxed & How To Be In Our Lives | Ep. 210
·47m - 44
How To Succeed in School This Year! | Ep. 209
·22m - 45
The 4 Things We Learned This Summer | Ep. 208
·44m - 46
How to Be The Best Leader You Can Be | Ep. 207
·12m - 47
Jeff Wallace, Ph.D. "Master Your Leadership" | Ep. 206
·32m - 48
Brent Crowe, Ph.D. “Patriotic Ethos” (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 205
·31m - 49
Edward Graham "Change The World" (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 204
·35m - 50
Derwin Gray "Woke" Misappropriation and True Mercy: Lessons from the Good Samaritan | Ep 203
·55m - 51
Facing Fear and Rejection: Bethany Barr Phillips on Leading Creatively | Ep 202
·39m - 52
A Conversation with Living Legends Pat Williams and Dr. Jay Strack | Ep. 201
·59m - 53
A Conversation with Black Hawk Down Hero, Jeff Struecker | Ep. 156
·41m - 54
Episode 155: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Marty of Social Club Misfits)
·42m - 55
Episode 154: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Jared Hall)
·48m - 56
Episode 153: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Drew Worsham)
·35m - 57
Episode 152: Summer Leadership Conversations (feat. Dr. Sean McDowell)
·52m - 58
Why We Celebrate Juneteenth: A Historical Perspective | Ep. 199
·24m - 59
David Nasser on Sustainable Ministry | Ep. 197
·1h 11m - 60
Lukas Lezon | Building Culture, Your Calling & Next-Gen Ministry | Ep. 196
·53m - 61
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 7: The Young-er Leader | Ep. 195
·23m - 62
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 6: The Old-er Leader | Ep. 194
·57m - 63
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 5: The Wounded Leader | Ep. 193
·22m - 64
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 4: The Higgledy Piggledy Leader | Ep. 192
·34m - 65
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 3: The Overconfident Leader | Ep. 191
·30m - 66
Shama Exposing Awkward Christian Culture | Ep. 190
·50m - 67
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 2: The Overlooked Leader | Ep. 189
·31m - 68
7 Common Leadership Struggles | Part 1: The Reluctant Leader | Ep. 188
·52m - 69
GEN-Z Embracing the Call (feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 187
·35m - 70
How This Spiritual Discipline Can Help Change Your Life (LENT Part 3) | Ep. 186
·31m - 71
How Lent Can Change Your Prayer Life (LENT Part 2) | Ep. 185
·28m - 72
Why You Should Practice Lent This Year (LENT Part 1) | Ep. 184
·31m - 73
Don't Pretend to Be Married: (Dating Part 2) | Ep. 183
·29m - 74
Don't Pretend to be Married (Dating Part 1) | Ep. 182
·51m - 75
Black History Month: Celebrating Unity and Faith in African American History | Ep. 181
·50m - 76
How Not to Be a Looser (Part 3) | Ep. 180
·48m - 77
How Not to Be a Looser (Part 2) | Ep. 179
·35m - 78
40 Days of a Digital Fast feat. Darren Whitehead | Ep. 178
·56m - 79
How Not to Be a Looser (Part 1) | Ep. 177
·35m - 80
We Are Quitting... Here's why | Ep. 176
·45m - 81
What You Can Learn From 2023 | Ep. 175
·41m - 82
Most Embarrassing Christmas Moments | Ep. 174
·37m - 83
Your Top 3 Questions Answered About Advent | Ep. 173
·39m - 84
How To Be Generous on Black Friday | Ep. 172
·42m - 85
The Secrets To Leading Creatives In Ministry with El Vow | Ep. 171
·45m - 86
6 Ways to Celebrate Veteran’s Day | Ep. 170
·28m - 87
Episode 169: 7 THINGS Part 4 (7 Golden Life Hacks)
·20m - 88
Episode 168: 7 THINGS Part 3 (7 Books for Leaders)
·26m - 89
Episode 166: How to Pray for the Israel/Palestine War
·53m - 90
Episode 165: 7 THINGS Part 1 (Travel Tips)
·46m - 91
Episode 164: Good Neighbor
·32m - 92
Episode 163: Defining Moments (Part 5)
·38m - 93
Episode 162: Defining Moments (Part 4)
·35m - 94
Episode 161: Defining Moments (Part 3)
·39m - 95
Episode 160: Defining Moments (Part 2)
·37m - 96
Episode 159: Defining Moments (Part 1)
·42m - 97
Episode 158: Back to School
·40m - 98
Episode 157: Summer Wrap Up
·17m - 99
How to Approach LGBTQIA+ in Student Ministry | SLU Scholar in Residence Ep. 198
A Christian leader discusses biblical perspectives on pronouns and attending same-sex weddings during Pride Month.
·56m - 100
Faith, Stunts, and Hollywood: Conversations with James Sang Lee | Ep. 200
Host Jeff Wallace introduces a solo episode featuring an interview with a friend who has a unique and dangerous job, framed within a Christian leadership perspective.
·40m - 101
Staying Power (Feat. Jody Livingston) | Ep. 251
Hidden gemJody Livingston and Jeff Wallace connect Chasing Elephants Podcast Ep.
Sep 5, 2025·57m·2 clips - 102
Not my Jesus (Feat. Shane Pruitt) | Ep. 250
Hidden gemShane Pruitt and Jeff Wallace use Chasing Elephants Podcast Ep.
Aug 22, 2025·41m·2 clips - 103
Friendship like this... Pt.2 | Ep. 249
Hidden gemChasing Elephants Podcast episode 249, "Friendship like this...
Aug 8, 2025·29m·1 clip - 104
Friendship like this... | Ep. 248
Hidden gemBrent Acrow and Jeff Wallace examine friendship through David and Jonathan, then focus on Barnabas bringing Saul to Antioch in Acts 11.
Jul 25, 2025·35m·2 clips - 105
Lit Up With Love (feat. Derwin Gray) | Ep. 247
Jul 11, 2025·29m - 106
Equipping the Next Generation for a Polarized World (feat. Jason Jimenez) | Ep. 246
Jun 27, 2025·47m - 107
The Heart of a Father | Ep. 245
Jun 13, 2025·47m - 108
Training Youth Ministry Volunteers (feat. Brian Preston) | EP. 244
May 30, 2025·42m - 109
No more awkward parent ministry (feat Chad Higgins) | EP. 243
May 16, 2025·44m - 110
Curiosity (feat. Drew Worsham) | EP. 242
May 9, 2025·32m - 111
This Story has POWER (feat. Pastor Ed Newton) | EP. 241
May 2, 2025·49m - 112
Raising Real kids, not ideal kids (feat. Dr. Kathy Koch) | EP. 240
Apr 25, 2025·41m - 113
The Cross and the Empty Tomb - Preparing Our Hearts for Good Friday and Easter| Ep. 239
Apr 18, 2025·32m - 114
The King and the Lamb - Preparing Our Hearts for Passover and Palm Sunday | EP. 238
Apr 11, 2025·29m - 115
COVID & Culture - 5 Years Later | EP. 237
Apr 4, 2025·50m - 116
The Question of Leadership (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 236
Mar 28, 2025·50m - 117
The Question of God’s Mission (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 235
Mar 21, 2025·46m - 118
Spiritual Formation (feat. Ryan McDermott) | EP. 234
Mar 14, 2025·38m - 119
Ethics and How We Should Think | EP. 233
Mar 7, 2025·27m - 120
Don’t Let Doubt Take You Out: An Interview with Pastor Todd Mullins | Ep. 232
Hidden gemPastor Todd Mullins discusses his new book on faith and leadership, emphasizing how faith becomes real during trials.
Feb 28, 2025·49m·2 clips - 121
The Ethics of the Creation Order: Why Gender Matters | Ep. 231
Feb 21, 2025·39m - 122
The Four Loves to Christian Leadership | Ep. 230
Feb 14, 2025·1h - 123
A Candid Conversation with Dr. Robert Smith | Ep. 229
Feb 7, 2025·29m - 124
'Voices from the Trenches (Part 2) | Ep.228
Jan 31, 2025·20m - 125
Voices from the Trenches (Part 1) | Ep.227
Jan 24, 2025·35m - 126
Dream like the King | Ep.226
Jan 17, 2025·31m - 127
Reaching the Next Generation (feat. Shane Pruitt) - Ep. 225
Jan 10, 2025·37m - 128
New Year's Resolution? - Ep.224
Jan 3, 2025·23m - 129
Embarrassing Christmas Moments - Ep.223
Dec 20, 2024·37m - 130
Family Advent Traditions - Ep.222
Dec 13, 2024·36m - 131
Keeping Advent Sacred - Ep.221
Dec 6, 2024·34m - 132
The Attitude of Gratitude - Ep. 220
Nov 22, 2024·38m - 133
Eugene Cho - Hunger in America | Ep. 219
Nov 15, 2024·27m - 134
Election Recap and why Leadership Matters | Ep. 218
Nov 6, 2024·44m - 135
To Vote or Not to Vote | Ep. 217
Nov 1, 2024·49m - 136
Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Part Two): Samaritan’s Purse Disaster Relief | Ep.216
Oct 25, 2024·25m - 137
Hurricane Helene & Milton: The Aftermath (Florida Baptist Convention Disaster Relief) | Ep. 215
Oct 18, 2024·37m - 138
10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 2) | Ep. 214
Oct 11, 2024·34m - 139
10 Biblical Perspectives on Suffering (Part 1) | Ep. 213
Oct 4, 2024·31m - 140
How Daniel's Faith Changed the Course of History | Ep. 212
Sep 27, 2024·23m - 141
Building Leaders in a Crisis: Lessons from Egypt and Daniel | Ep. 211
Sep 20, 2024·33m - 142
Megan Fate Marshman on Why Jesus Was Relaxed & How To Be In Our Lives | Ep. 210
The host introduces a conversation with Christian author Megan Fate Marshman about her new resource, emphasizing its impact on leadership and team development.
Sep 13, 2024·47m - 143
How To Succeed in School This Year! | Ep. 209
Sep 6, 2024·22m - 144
The 4 Things We Learned This Summer | Ep. 208
Aug 23, 2024·44m - 145
How to Be The Best Leader You Can Be | Ep. 207
Aug 16, 2024·12m - 146
Jeff Wallace, Ph.D. "Master Your Leadership" | Ep. 206
Aug 9, 2024·32m - 147
Brent Crowe, Ph.D. “Patriotic Ethos” (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 205
Aug 2, 2024·31m - 148
Edward Graham "Change The World" (Live from SLU 201) | Ep 204
Jul 26, 2024·35m - 149
Derwin Gray "Woke" Misappropriation and True Mercy: Lessons from the Good Samaritan | Ep 203
Jul 19, 2024·55m - 150
Facing Fear and Rejection: Bethany Barr Phillips on Leading Creatively | Ep 202
Jul 12, 2024·39m