The Little Red Podcast

Graeme Smith and Louisa Lim

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An academic and a journalist unpack China's politics, espionage, and Southeast Asian scam compounds.

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The Little Red Podcast examines China beyond familiar capital-city narratives through long-form interviews with academics, journalists, researchers, and regional specialists. Its episodes move patiently from concrete cases to larger arguments about state power, social change, and China’s global reach.

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About The Little Red Podcast

The Little Red Podcast is built around long-form interviews and multi-guest panel conversations about China, typically running 35 to 55 minutes per episode. It is co-hosted by Graeme Smith, a China studies academic at the Australian National University's Department of Pacific Affairs, and Louisa Lim, a former BBC and NPR China correspondent now at the University of Melbourne's Centre for Advancing Journalism; some episodes run with only one host present. Guests are drawn from academia, investigative journalism, and policy or security circles, including authors discussing books on Apple's China dependence and Canadian foreign-interference law, former intelligence officials, and in at least one episode a survivor of a Southeast Asian scam compound. Recurring subject areas include Chinese domestic policy such as the gaokao and vocational tracking, Hong Kong literature and censorship under the national security law, Chinese Communist Party foreign-interference operations targeting diaspora communities in Australia, Canada, the UK, and the US, and the transnational scam and trafficking economy centered on Myanmar and Thailand border regions. Episodes often connect present-day events to historical throughlines, from imperial civil-service exams to 1950s CIA operations in China to Cold War-era diplomatic recognition. The tone is investigative and analytical rather than casual, with hosts pressing guests for specifics on trafficking numbers, laundering mechanics, and policy gaps. Production credits mentioned across episodes include editor Andy Hazel, composer Susie Wilkins, and illustrator Seb Danter. The show suits listeners with background or interest in Asia-Pacific studies, journalism, or security policy, as well as general audiences following China's political and economic influence abroad. It includes detailed, sometimes difficult accounts of forced labour and trafficking rather than treating these topics lightly. Overall it favors depth and named sourcing over quick news-cycle takes on China.

Made for: Listeners with a background or interest in Asia-Pacific geopolitics, journalism, or security policy who want expert-driven, source-heavy analysis of China's domestic and overseas influence.

What sets it apart: Pairs an academic host and a journalist host, combining scholarly framing with investigative reporting, including direct survivor interviews from Southeast Asian scam compounds rather than secondhand summaries.

In their own words

The Little Red Podcast: interviews and chat celebrating China beyond the Beijing beltway. Hosted by Graeme Smith, China studies academic at the Australian National University's Department of Pacific Affairs and Louisa Lim, former China correspondent for the BBC and NPR, now with the Centre for Advancing Journalism at Melbourne University. We are the 2018 winners of podcast of the year in the News & Current Affairs category of the Australian Podcast Awards. Follow us @limlouisa and @GraemeKSmith, and find show notes at www.facebook.com/LittleRedPodcast/

As heard by us

Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Patient interviews make China's institutions and overseas reach legible, with close attention to how power works in practice.

The Little Red Podcast traces how Chinese power operates through institutions, businesses and cross-border networks. Graeme Smith and Louisa Lim lead interview-driven conversations that keep asking how a system works in practice and who feels its effects.

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Why you'd press play

Scam compounds, exam fever, and Apple's China bind arrive with questions sharp enough to ruin easy answers.

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  • Louisa Lim and Graeme Smith to test the machinery behind foreign interference, not merely tally scandals
  • firsthand testimony from inside scam compounds, followed by the political and financial plumbing
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Little Red Podcast x Face OffMar 31, 2026

A 1952 CIA disappearance becomes a brisk guide to why China's inner politics remain so hard to read.

A Cold War spy tale gives this Face Off handoff its charge: John Downey and Richard Fecteau fly from Japan toward northern China in 1952, on a CIA mission to retrieve a Chinese operative, then vanish for 20 years.

State Capture or Mind Capture? China's Spy Strategy on 3 ContinentsMar 5, 2026

A clear, grounded look at how Chinese interference concerns play out through local politics, diaspora pressure, and democratic weak spots.

The Little Red Podcast treats Chinese foreign interference as something more practical than a spy-thriller headline. Louisa Lim frames the episode around recent concern in Britain, Canada, the United States, and Australia, then lets Sam Guthrie, Lyndon Lee, and Dennis Molinaro…

Bad Apple? How the World’s Greatest Company Changed Chinese TechJan 7, 2026

A sharp China tech episode on Apple's dependence, Chinese founder strategy, and the politics behind global production.

The Little Red Podcast turns Apple's China story into a sharp conversation about dependence, manufacturing power, and the habits of Chinese tech firms.

Education Nation: China’s Exam FetishDec 8, 2025

A sharp, grounded look at China's gaokao as exam, social ladder, and national ritual.

The Little Red Podcast treats China's gaokao less as a school test than as a national ritual, with consequences large enough to quiet traffic, postpone concerts, and put 13 million students on edge for two days.

The Centre of the Vortex: Survivors' Notes from Hong Kong WritersNov 8, 2024

A clear, literary conversation on Cantonese, censorship, migration, and the cost of adapting under political pressure.

The Little Red Podcast turns the question of Hong Kong writing in its own language into a sharp cultural and political conversation. Louisa Lin frames Cantonese as a live pressure point after the national security law, with writers facing censorship, publication difficulties,…

Special Criminal Zones: China’s Pig Butchers Pivot to the WestOct 2, 2024

A sharp look at how scam syndicates adapted after Operation 1027 and began aiming harder at victims outside China.

The Little Red Podcast follows Chinese online scam syndicates as pressure on the Myanmar-China border pushes more of the business toward the Thai border and victims farther afield.

The Pig Butcher’s Payroll: Inside a Romance ScamJul 24, 2024

A rare inside account of a scam compound, strongest on the ordinary systems behind extraordinary cruelty.

The Pig Butcher's Payroll is strongest when it leaves the scale of Southeast Asia's scam economy and sits inside one compound. Neo, speaking under a pseudonym, describes seven months in 2022 in a guarded camp on the Myanmar-Thailand border: open-plan rooms packed with workers,…

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Episodes

  1. 1

    The Rise of the Petroyuan: Who will win the Global Economic Order?

    Grant Swift and Louisa Lin interview Boston University's Gregory Chin and Kevin Gallagher about their free book "China and the Global Economic Order," starting with the People's Bank of China's designation of Deutsche Bank as a Remin B clearing bank.

    Sep 15, 2026·57m·2 clips
  2. 2

    Money (That’s What I Want): China’s New Investment Regime

    Aug 28, 2026·39m
  3. 3

    Out of Battery? China's EV Dreams Flicker

    Jul 14, 2026·53m
  4. 4

    Lightning Strikes: China’s Robot Revolution

    May 6, 2026·51m
  5. 5

    China Rules: Autocracy for sale

    Apr 21, 2026·49m
  6. 6

    Little Red Podcast x Face Off

    Hidden gem

    November 1952 is the starting point.

    Mar 31, 2026·34m·2 clips
  7. 7

    State Capture or Mind Capture? China's Spy Strategy on 3 Continents

    Hidden gem

    Three British arrests sit at the edge of the conversation.

    Mar 5, 2026·56m·5 clips
  8. 8

    Bad Apple? How the World’s Greatest Company Changed Chinese Tech

    Hidden gem

    Apple became dependent on China.

    Jan 7, 2026·49m·3 clips
  9. 9

    Education Nation: China’s Exam Fetish

    Hidden gem

    The Little Red Podcast episode "Education Nation: China’s Exam Fetish" opens with the gaokao as a national event, with 13 million students, postponed concerts, free taxis, and exam writers guarded for six months.

    Dec 8, 2025·48m·3 clips
  10. 10

    The Lead Goose: China’s AI Embrace

    This episode examines China's rapid push to integrate AI across society through its AI Plus framework, aiming for over 70% adoption in key sectors by 2027, and discusses the implications in the global race for AGI.

    Nov 4, 2025·53m
  11. 11

    Wolf Spirits and Wild Shamans: The Revival of Spirit Mediums

    This episode explores the resurgence of shamanism and spirit mediums in modern China, featuring expert insights on how these ancient practices are evolving in a technologically advanced society.

    Oct 7, 2025·51m
  12. 12

    Man Up: The Rise and Rise of China’s Manosphere

    This episode explores the rise of China's digital manosphere, including the shutdown of incel forums and the impact of online misogyny, featuring expert guests from academia.

    Aug 20, 2025·36m
  13. 13

    Karma Chameleon: The CCP turns to Buddhism

    This episode explores the revival of Buddhism in China, examining its increased popularity among young people facing economic challenges and its strategic use by the state for domestic control and international diplomacy, featuring expert guests and a case study of a Shaolin Temple in Zambia.

    Jul 22, 2025·49m
  14. 14

    The Garbage Time of History: Is China Still Marxist?

    This episode explores whether China remains Marxist under Xi Jinping's leadership, featuring a debate between two academic experts with differing perspectives on ideology and institutions.

    Jun 26, 2025·42m
  15. 15

    China on the Couch: Xi Jinping's Psy-boom

    This episode explores China's PsyBoom, an expansion of psychological services under Xi Jinping, focusing on mental health issues among young people and featuring expert discussions on its historical and social implications.

    Apr 1, 2025·48m
  16. 16

    Let's Get Spiritual: State, Digital Spirituality and Feng Shui in China

    This episode explores the rise of spirituality, particularly feng shui and digital practices like AI fortune-telling, among young people in China, featuring expert insights on its historical and modern contexts.

    Feb 5, 2025·47m
  17. 17

    Sisters doing it for themselves? Marriage Refusal and Little Milk Puppies

    This episode discusses the changing roles and attitudes of women in China, including declining marriage rates and rising divorce rates, with expert guests.

    Jan 13, 2025·44m
  18. 18

    Give me Maw: China's Craze for the Cocaine of the Seas

    This episode explores China's booming demand for fish maw, known as the 'cocaine of the seas,' examining its environmental impact, market dynamics, and cultural significance through an interview with journalist Jo Chandler.

    Dec 10, 2024·43m
  19. 19

    The Centre of the Vortex: Survivors' Notes from Hong Kong Writers

    Hidden gem

    Four years on, language has turned political.

    Nov 8, 2024·41m·3 clips
  20. 20

    Special Criminal Zones: China’s Pig Butchers Pivot to the West

    Hidden gem

    The scam map has moved toward a global audience.

    Oct 2, 2024·48m·4 clips
  21. 21

    Cognitive hazing: The Disinformation War on Taiwan?

    This episode discusses disinformation and cognitive warfare in Taiwan following its recent election, featuring interviews with two Taiwanese writers.

    Aug 31, 2024·44m
  22. 22

    The Pig Butcher’s Payroll: Inside a Romance Scam

    Hidden gem

    Neo Liu is introduced first as a Matrix-inspired pseudonym, then gives his real name: Yi Hao Liu.

    Jul 24, 2024·49m·4 clips
  23. 23

    Fraud Factories and Pig Butchery: Chinese Triads go Pacific

    This episode investigates Chinese-run online scam syndicates operating in Pacific island nations like Palau, featuring interviews with journalists who uncovered the story.

    Jun 12, 2024·47m
  24. 24

    Here be Dragons: LRP turns 100

    The hosts celebrate their 100th episode by reflecting on past topics and introducing a new subject about China.

    May 13, 2024·40m
  25. 25

    Hold my popcorn: Diplomatic war in the Pacific Theatre

    An interview with journalist Dorothy Wickham about China's growing influence in the Solomon Islands, including infrastructure projects and a controversial security pact.

    Mar 27, 2024·37m
  26. 26

    The Feminists have Stood Up: Gender and Comedy in China

    This episode interviews three Chinese stand-up comedians about the business and political challenges of comedy in China.

    Feb 8, 2024·46m
  27. 27

    Full time children or half dead: China’s Gen Z goes to ground

    This episode discusses the economic and social challenges facing Gen Z in China, including high youth unemployment and the 'lying flat' phenomenon, through interviews with experts.

    Dec 13, 2023·41m
  28. 28

    Bombard the Past: Exhuming the Cultural Revolution

    An interview with authors about the Cultural Revolution's legacy and why it remains a sensitive topic in China.

    Nov 8, 2023·50m
  29. 29

    The Battle for the Future: The Mission of China's Underground Historians

    An interview with Ian Johnson about his book on China's underground historians and the state's control over historical records.

    Sep 27, 2023·48m
  30. 30

    Cat Years in Cat Country: Sci-Fi in China

    This episode explores China's booming science fiction industry, featuring interviews with translators and scholars about the genre's rise and cultural impact.

    Aug 29, 2023·53m
  31. 31

    Gone to ground: China’s rare earths strategy

    Aug 7, 2023·48m
  32. 32

    China’s Best Mate: New Zealand’s Muddled China Ties

    Jun 27, 2023·40m
  33. 33

    China Beyond the Ends of the Earth: Welcome to the Internet

    Jun 14, 2023·44m
  34. 34

    China Beyond the Ends of the Earth: The Polar Express

    May 4, 2023·43m
  35. 35

    China Beyond the Ends of the Earth: Rolling in the Deep

    Mar 29, 2023·43m
  36. 36

    China Beyond the Ends of the Earth: Space

    Feb 28, 2023·45m
  37. 37

    COVID infections: The New Bumper Harvest

    Feb 6, 2023·48m
  38. 38

    The Death of Covid Zero?

    Dec 15, 2022·49m
  39. 39

    Controlling the future: Inside China’s surveillance state

    Nov 28, 2022·49m
  40. 40

    Spies, Lies and Peaceful Rise

    Oct 14, 2022·55m
  41. 41

    Cambodia: China’s first client state?

    Sep 19, 2022·44m
  42. 42

    Herbal Gold: Chinese medicine, COVID and the CCP

    Aug 2, 2022·44m
  43. 43

    Cheongsams and Coppers:  Beijing's Stealth Infiltration of Hong Kong

    Jun 30, 2022·47m
  44. 44

    Shanghaied: Living with Zero Covid

    An episode discussing the aftermath of Shanghai's lockdown and the implications of China's zero-Covid policy, featuring expert interviews.

    Jun 6, 2022·46m
  45. 45

    Gimme, gimme, gimme a Han after midnight: China’s masculinity crisis

    May 11, 2022·38m
  46. 46

    Kevin Rudd: Is War With China Inevitable?

    An interview with former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd about his book on US-China conflict and the current state of geopolitical tensions.

    Apr 28, 2022·42m
  47. 47

    Ukraine: A Win-Win for China

    Apr 6, 2022·45m
  48. 48

    Elite Capture: A CCP Primer in Making Friends and Influencing People

    Mar 9, 2022·44m
  49. 49

    Caste Aside: The Future for China's Peasants

    Feb 2, 2022·46m
  50. 50

    Shakeup or Shakedown?  China's New Red Economy

    Jan 2, 2022·49m
  51. 51

    The Great Reconciler and the End of Chinese History

    Nov 21, 2021·51m
  52. 52

    The CCP Goes Outback? The Century of Humiliation in Australia

    Oct 13, 2021·40m
  53. 53

    The Endless Purge: Reassessing June 4 1989

    Sep 20, 2021·37m
  54. 54

    Lone Wolves or Xi Wolves? The Evolution of China’s Nationalistic Diplomats

    Aug 18, 2021·40m
  55. 55

    The Little Red Podcast Turns Five: Agony Aunt Edition

    Jul 19, 2021·52m
  56. 56

    Jack be nimble: the Party-State Vs. the Tech Titans

    This episode examines why the Chinese Communist Party is targeting its tech billionaires, focusing on Jack Ma's disappearance and the broader regulatory crackdown on big tech platforms.

    Jun 21, 2021·43m
  57. 57

    Let's get this party started: China's global propaganda push

    May 10, 2021·53m
  58. 58

    Out of their league? China’s online gaming conundrum

    Apr 21, 2021·44m
  59. 59

    Remaking Hong Kong: Keep the Fishbowl, Change the Fish

    This episode discusses the political situation in Hong Kong, including national security legislation, election rule changes, and interviews with democratic politicians.

    Mar 24, 2021·41m
  60. 60

    Tibet: Colonialism with Chinese Characteristics?

    The hosts introduce a special anniversary episode inviting listener questions about Chinese politics and tease a story about satellite photos in Tibet.

    Feb 24, 2021·50m
  61. 61

    Fandom Untamed: The Business of Boys’ Love

    This episode explores the phenomenon of boy love (BL/danmei) in China, its origins, and its impact as a political and economic force.

    Jan 12, 2021·44m
  62. 62

    Inventing China: The Pick and Mix Approach

    This episode debates the claim that the concept of China was invented in the 19th and 20th centuries, featuring author Bill Hayton and historian Esther Klein.

    Dec 14, 2020·42m
  63. 63

    Xi Dada and Daddy: Power, the Party and the President

    An interview-based episode analyzing Xi Jinping's rise and the role of the Communist Party in China's princeling elite.

    Nov 2, 2020·51m
  64. 64

    See the difference? CGTN in the dock

    This episode examines the pushback against China's state-run media, focusing on CGTN and forced confessions from detainees.

    Oct 6, 2020·52m
  65. 65

    The New Compradors? Hong Kong's Taipans Face a New Era

    This episode examines the role of British business empires in Hong Kong amid new national security legislation, featuring interviews with authors Robert Bickers and Jonathan Kaufman.

    Aug 26, 2020·36m
  66. 66

    Trump's F*** China Moment: An Attitude, Not a Strategy

    Aug 1, 2020·46m
  67. 67

    Hong Kong No More: The National Security Law and the Dual State

    Jun 26, 2020·52m
  68. 68

    Hong Kong: Anything We Say Could Be A Crime

    Jun 4, 2020·28m
  69. 69

    Inside Job: How China is Changing Global Governance

    May 27, 2020·40m
  70. 70

    Killing Me Softly: the Power Pandemic

    Apr 21, 2020·43m
  71. 71

    Viral Disruption; The Pandemic That's Rewriting the Global Order

    Mar 28, 2020·46m
  72. 72

    "Round Up All Those That Should Be Rounded Up": State Violence in China

    Mar 10, 2020·47m
  73. 73

    High Noon for Xi Jinping: The President Vs The Virus

    Feb 19, 2020·48m
  74. 74

    Seedy Business: The Future of China's Industrial Espionage

    Feb 5, 2020·28m
  75. 75

    Freedom is Restraint: How Core Socialist Values are Changing Language and Remoulding Humans

    Jan 6, 2020·38m
  76. 76

    Ten Years Becomes Four as Life Imitates Art in Hong Kong

    Dec 3, 2019·41m
  77. 77

    Power Projection: China’s Hollywood Dream

    Nov 13, 2019·34m
  78. 78

    Hong Kong Burning: The Rise of a Nation

    Oct 3, 2019·40m
  79. 79

    Big Bad China? The New Cold War

    Sep 30, 2019·44m
  80. 80

    Should I stay or should I go now? Inside the Solomons’ Big Switch

    Sep 9, 2019·37m
  81. 81

    Be Water: Hong Kong vs China, with Denise Ho, Badiucao and Clive Hamilton

    Sep 5, 2019·45m
  82. 82

    Desperate Hong Kong: The Movement Behind The Mask

    Aug 20, 2019·40m
  83. 83

    Chose Your Own Dystopia Part Two: Cashing in on Social Credit

    Jul 24, 2019·40m
  84. 84

    Hong Kong’s Dirty Little Secret: Is One Country Two Systems Dead?

    Jul 2, 2019·46m
  85. 85

    Sing Hallelujah: The Miracle of Hong Kong’s March

    Jun 17, 2019·49m
  86. 86

    Hong Kong's Darkest Hour

    Jun 13, 2019·46m
  87. 87

    Tiananmen's Final Secret

    Jun 3, 2019·43m
  88. 88

    Choose your own Dystopia Part One: Social Media and Surveillance Capitalism

    May 6, 2019·42m
  89. 89

    Resignation Syndrome? Democracy and Jail in Post-Umbrella Hong Kong

    Apr 7, 2019·53m
  90. 90

    Leveraged to the Limit: Power Shifts in Xi Jinping's China

    Mar 25, 2019·45m
  91. 91

    Step Up or Be Overrun: China’s Challenge for the Pacific

    Mar 5, 2019·36m
  92. 92

    Hotpot Wars: Tensions bubble in the battle for China’s Culinary Soul

    Feb 4, 2019·35m
  93. 93

    #XiToo: Chinese Feminism and The Party’s Hyper-Masculine Reboot

    Jan 8, 2019·36m
  94. 94

    Keeping the Faith? Xi's Deal with the Holy See

    Dec 5, 2018·37m
  95. 95

    Xi Jinping’s War on Uighurs. Part 3: The Endgame

    Nov 6, 2018·42m
  96. 96

    Xi Jinping’s War on Uighurs. Part 2: The New Frontier

    Oct 16, 2018·44m
  97. 97

    Xi Jinping’s War on the Uighurs. Part 1: The Witnesses

    Sep 24, 2018·48m
  98. 98

    Stranger than Fiction: China’s Espionage Industrial Complex

    Sep 4, 2018·56m
  99. 99

    The Han-Opticon: Social Credit and AI in the Surveillance State

    Aug 7, 2018·47m
  100. 100

    Come Dance with Xi: Who Can Resist the Belt and Road's Embrace?

    Jul 11, 2018·59m
  101. 101

    All Maxxed Out: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme The World Has Ever Seen?

    Jun 12, 2018·42m
  102. 102

    Shaken But Not Stirred: The Chinese State and the Sichuan Earthquake

    May 11, 2018·45m
  103. 103

    Tinker, Tailor, Student, Spy? Inside Australia's Chinese Student Boom

    May 8, 2018·39m
  104. 104

    How To Make Friends And Influence People: Inside the Magic Weapon of the United Front

    Apr 9, 2018·44m
  105. 105

    Policing the Contour Lines: China's Cartographic Obsession

    Mar 8, 2018·28m
  106. 106

    Bitter Medicine: China's New Pacific Frontier

    Feb 6, 2018·28m