The Deep Dive

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Culture, power, and futures below the surface.

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The Deep Dive is a long-form culture interview show led by Philip McKenzie, a cultural anthropologist working across foresight and sense-making. Its conversations move from brand ethnography and consumer behavior to white rage, post-colonial economics, climate crisis, and the social rules beneath everyday life.

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About The Deep Dive

The Deep Dive is a long-form interview show about culture as a force that organizes belief, behavior, memory, power, and imagination. Philip McKenzie brings the stance of a cultural anthropologist to conversations that rarely stay inside one discipline. The show is at home with brand consultants, historians, futurists, plant scientists, design educators, and writers thinking at the edge of crisis. It can begin with customer research and end with a question about the human experience. That range is central to its appeal. Recent episodes place ethnography beside corporate meaning-making, asking what gets lost when people are reduced to inputs, outputs, and purchasing behavior. They also move into darker historical terrain. Heather Ann Thompson’s conversation follows the Reagan 80s, the Bernie Goetz shooting, policing, misdemeanor citations, public fear, and the machinery that turned wounded teenagers into threatening symbols. The show gives those details weight. It also keeps returning to futures. Betty Sue Flowers speaks to scenarios, facts, expertise, social media, and the difficulty of reasoning together when shared reality itself feels unstable. Samantha Sweetwater’s episode stretches the frame toward extinction risk, biosphere breakdown, reciprocity, and the possibility of humans acting as a custodial species. Vanessa Machado de Oliveira brings modernity, systemic violence, race, education, and global change into the same field of attention. Yao Ofusu Asare’s appearance turns design education, African indigenous practices, critical theory, and the post-colonial African economy into connected questions of survival and responsibility. Oliver Sweet links invisible cultural rules to what people think, buy, and believe, then tests those ideas against women’s football, gender equality, advertising, and racial essentialism. Even episodes that sound theoretical stay close to contemporary friction. The show’s strength is its patience with complexity. McKenzie lets guests carry their expertise, then presses for the larger pattern underneath. The tone is curious, morally alert, and intellectually restless. It suits listeners who want public culture examined through history, anthropology, foresight, and lived consequence rather than quick takes.

Made for: Best for listeners drawn to long-form conversations about culture, history, design, social change, ecological crisis, and the stories societies use to explain themselves.

What sets it apart: The show connects anthropology, foresight, business culture, historical memory, and moral crisis in one conversation style. It is less about reacting to headlines than tracing the deeper rules and narratives that make those headlines possible.

In their own words

The Deep Dive is a culture and insights podcast with Philip McKenzie, an anthropologist who uses his expertise in culture to advise organizations on how best to thrive in an increasingly challenging and uncertain environment. Every week, Philip goes below the surface with the people who matter the most.

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Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Philip McKenzie connects design, storytelling, and cultural research to the larger assumptions shaping institutions and public life.

Philip McKenzie treats creative practice as a way to read the systems around it. His guest interviews move from design research and ethnography to storytelling, cultural rules, and the production of meaning, with questions that connect professional methods to wider social…

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Philip McKenzie keeps tugging at culture's invisible rules until the obvious answer makes you suspicious.

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  • to hear design shortcuts challenged by someone asking what expertise gets flattened
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  1. 1

    Episode 218: The Dao of Complexity w/Dr. Jean Boulton

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 253: Crafting Stories of The Future w/ Betty Sue Flowers

    ·54m
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    Episode 252: When Trees Testify w/ Dr. Beronda Montgomery

    ·53m
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    Episode 251: No One Leaves Clean w/ Yaw Ofosu-Asare

    ·1h 11m
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    Episode 250: Getting Lost with Lost Maps w/ James Cheshire

    ·1h 1m
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    Episode 249: Culture & The Rules That Make Us w/ Oliver Sweet

    ·1h 8m
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    Episode 248: True Human w/ Samantha Sweetwater

    ·1h 7m
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    Episode 247: Artificial Humanities w/ Nina Begus

    ·56m
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    Episode 246: Outgrowing Modernity with Vanessa Machado De Oliveira

    ·1h 12m
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    Episode 245: A Fork in the Road w/ Indy Johar

    ·1h 4m
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    Episode 244: Caught in the Streaming Wars w/ Charlotte Henry

    ·1h 6m
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    Episode 243: Collaborating with the Enemy w/Adam Kahane

    ·1h 4m
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    Episode 242: The Positive Obsession of Octavia E. Butler

    ·1h
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    Episode 241: Man Up and the New Misogyny w/ Cynthia Miller-Idriss

    ·1h 12m
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    Episode 240: The Studio & Design Education w/ James Corazzo, Colin M. Gray & Derek Jones

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 239: Naturekind & Thinking Beyond the Human w/ Melissa Leach & James Fairhead

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 238: Goliath’s Curse w/ Luke Kemp

    ·1h 8m
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    Episode 237: The Connected Leader w/ Emmanuel Gobillot

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 236: Crisis of Leadership w/ Steve Wyatt

    ·51m
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    Episode 235: The Art of Design Strategy w/ Garkay Wong

    ·51m
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    Episode 234: The Killing State w/ Corinna Barrett Lain

    ·58m
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    Episode 233: Beyond The Male Crisis w/ Soraya Chemaly

    ·1h 9m
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    Episode 232: What Might Be w/ Susan Sturm

    ·1h 8m
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    Episode 231: Creating a Care Economy w/ Tim Jackson

    ·1h 18m
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    Episode 230: Money, Lies and God w/ Katherine Stewart

    ·1h 1m
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    Episode 229: The Crisis Within Foster Care w/ Claudia Rowe

    ·51m
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    Episode 228: A Nonlinear Life w/ Kevin Bethune

    ·59m
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    Episode 227: Private Equity and the Demise of the American Dream w/ Megan Greenwell

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 226: We Just Build Hammers w/ Coraline Ada Ehmke

    ·56m
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    Episode 225: Futures Literacy in a Volatile World w/ Donna Dupont

    ·1h 3m
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    Episode 224: Gaia Wakes & Emergent Planetary Intelligence w/ Topher McDoughal

    ·1h 4m
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    Episode 223: Words as Violence w/ Alia Dastagir

    ·1h 15m
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    Episode 222: Making Futures Work w/ Phil Balagtas

    ·1h 16m
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    Episode 221: Everyday Habits and Radical Engagement w/ Adam Kahane

    ·51m
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    Episode 220: Research for Designers w/ Gjoko Muratovski

    ·1h 9m
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    Episode 219: The Rise of the Alt-Reich w/ Nafeez Ahmed

    ·1h 10m
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    Episode 254: Bernie Goetz, Reagan and the Rebirth of White Rage w/ Heather Ann Thompson

    ·1h 9m
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    Episode 217: Complexity & Organizations w/ Chris Mowles

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 216: Collapse, Trauma and Solidarity w/Ginie Servant-Miklos & Pamela Armitage

    ·1h 12m
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    Episode 215: Just Enough Is Not The Minimum w/Erika Hall

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 214: Survival is a Promise w/Alexis Pauline Gumbs

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 213: The Aftermath w/ Soraya Chemaly, Aida Mariam Davis, & Stephanie Luce

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 212: Multisolving in a Fractured World w/ Dr. Elizabeth Sawin

    ·1h 7m
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    Episode 211: Welcome to the Creative Club w/ Pia Leichter

    ·1h 4m
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    Episode 210: Reckoning with Mass Incarceration w/ Kevin B. Smith

    ·58m
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    Episode 209: Thinking About A Human Economy w/ Indy Johar

    ·51m
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    Episode 209: Thinking About A Human Economy w/ Indy Johar

    ·1h 6m
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    Episode 208: Morningside and the Greensboro Massacre w/ Aran Shetterly

    ·59m
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    Episode 207: What Design Can’t Do w/ Silvio Lorusso

    ·45m
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    Episode 206: Love’s Braided Dance w/ Norman Wirzba

    ·58m
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    Episode 205: Running Out of Everything w/ Peter S. Goodman

    ·1h 4m
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    Episode 204: Making New Worlds w/ Aida Mariam Davis

    ·57m
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    Episode 203: Leadership & Making a Masterpiece w/ Charles Spinosa

    ·53m
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    Episode 202: Solving the Climate Crisis w/ John Berger

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 201: Wrestling with Gender & Leadership w/ Susan Madsen

    ·50m
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    Episode 200: The Resilience Myth w/ Soraya Chemaly

    ·1h 15m
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    Episode 199: Black Scare/Red Scare w/ Dr. Charisse Burden-Stelly

    ·57m
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    Episode 201: End of the World w/ Jon Mills

    ·55m
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    Episode 200: End of the World w/ Jon Mills

    ·55m
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    Episode 198: End of the World w/ Jon Mills

    ·55m
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    Episode 197: St. Augustine & the Christian Master w/ Matthew Elia

    ·1h 9m
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    Episode 179: Blood in the Machine w/ Brian Merchant

    ·1h 16m
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    Episode 196: Out of Time w/ Colin Strong

    ·58m
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    Episode 195: Puerto Rico: A National History w/ Jorell Melendez-Badillo

    ·1h
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    Episode 194: Thinking about Entanglement w/ Anthea Lawson

    ·1h 19m
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    Episode 193: Practical Radicals and Changing the World w/ Stephanie Luce

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 192: To Build a Black Future w/ Christopher Paul Harris

    ·1h 3m
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    Episode 191: Campus Wars: Then & Now w/ Lauren Lassabe Shepherd

    ·59m
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    Episode 190: Combee, Harriet Tubman & Black Freedom w/ Dr. Edda L. Fields-Black

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 189: The AI Dilemna w/ Juliette Powell & Sean Gayle

    ·1h 33m
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    Episode 188: Cultural Intelligence for Marketers w/ Dr. Anastasia Karklina Gabriel

    ·54m
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    Episode 187: Everest Inc & Climbing Culture w/ Will Cockrell

    ·54m
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    Episode 186: When the World Is A Bezzle w/ Cory Doctorow

    ·1h 21m
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    Episode 185: Hodge Podge, Gaps & Cracks w/ Dan Hill

    ·1h 22m
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    Episode 184: They Called It Peace w/ Lauren Benton

    ·58m
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    Episode 183: Resisting Racial Capitalism w/ Ida Danewid

    ·59m
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    Episode 182: Design Social Change w/ Lesley-Ann Noel

    ·53m
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    Episode 181: Disneyland on the Mountain w/ Greg Glasgow & Kathryn Mayer

    ·54m
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    Episode 180: After One Hundred Winters w/ Margaret D. Jacobs

    ·58m
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    Episode 178: New Bones Abolition w/ Joy James

    ·56m
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    Episode 177: We Are Not Users w/ Eswaran Subrahmanian & Yoram Reich

    ·1h 17m
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    Episode 176: Back to the Future w/ Indy Johar

    ·1h 12m
  83. 83

    Episode 175: The Reality of Feminist Design w/ Alison Place

    ·1h 1m
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    Episode 174: Essential Work, Disposable Workers w/ Mostafa Henaway

    ·58m
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    Episode 173: Handbook of Tyranny w/ Theo Deutinger

    ·1h 7m
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    Episode 172: Constraints, Complexity & Context (Oh My!) w/ Alicia Juarrero

    ·58m
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    Episode 171: Of Black Study w/ Joshua Myers

    ·1h 1m
  88. 88

    Episode 170: Patagonia at 50: Reflections and Forward w/ Vincent Stanley

    ·58m
  89. 89

    Episode 169: The Birth of Computer Vision w/ James E. Dobson

    ·52m
  90. 90

    Episode 168: Thinking Through Design Research w/ Joyce Yee & Paul A. Rodgers

    ·57m
  91. 91

    Episode 167: Feminist Futures of Work w/ Usha Raman & Payal Arora

    ·1h 8m
  92. 92

    Episode 166: The World of Experience Design w/ Abraham Burickson

    ·56m
  93. 93

    Episode 165: The Hidden Roots of White Supremacy w/ Robert P. Jones

    ·1h 1m
  94. 94

    Episode 164: Design for Identity w/ Jessica Bantom

    ·56m
  95. 95

    Episode 163: The Rise of The New Designer w/ Manuel Lima

    ·48m
  96. 96

    Episode 162: Colorblind Tools & Global Technologies w/ Marzia Milazzo

    ·1h 9m
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    Episode 161: Class War w/Mark Steven

    ·1h 6m
  98. 98

    Episode 160: Closing the Loop w/ Sheryl Cababa

    ·1h 3m
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    Episode 159: Reflections on Transformational Change w/ Lina Srivastava

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 158: The Space(s) Between w/ Eliza Yvette Esquivel

    ·1h 2m
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    Episode 255: The Business of Meaning w/ Peter Spear

    Hidden gem

    Peter Spear tells Philip McKenzie that a temp job at Pacific Bell, an arrogant letter to Tattoo, and Gap street intercepts taught him to treat brands as cultural signals.

    Apr 16, 2026·55m·5 clips
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    Episode 254: Bernie Goetz, Reagan and the Rebirth of White Rage w/ Heather Ann Thompson

    Philip McKenzie interviews University of Michigan historian Heather Ann Thompson about her book Fear and Fury and the 1984 Bernie Goetz subway shooting.

    Apr 2, 2026·1h 9m·4 clips
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    Episode 253: Crafting Stories of The Future w/ Betty Sue Flowers

    Philip McKenzie interviews Betty Sue Flowers about her book “Scenarios, Crafting and Using Stories of the Future to Change the Present,” which treats the future as multiple possible stories rather than one destination.

    Mar 26, 2026·54m·5 clips
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    Episode 252: When Trees Testify w/ Dr. Beronda Montgomery

    Philip McKenzie interviews Dr.

    Mar 19, 2026·53m
  105. 105

    Episode 251: No One Leaves Clean w/ Yaw Ofosu-Asare

    Philip McKenzie interviews Yaw Ofosu-Asare about his book 'No One Leaves Clean' and his research on decolonizing design education and the post-colonial African economy.

    Mar 12, 2026·1h 11m
  106. 106

    Episode 250: Getting Lost with Lost Maps w/ James Cheshire

    Mar 5, 2026·1h 1m
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    Episode 249: Culture & The Rules That Make Us w/ Oliver Sweet

    Hidden gem

    "The home" becomes a place for "cultural apprenticeships" in Oliver Sweet's account.

    Feb 26, 2026·1h 8m·2 clips
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    Episode 248: True Human w/ Samantha Sweetwater

    Hidden gem

    Philip McKenzie opens The Deep Dive by introducing Samantha Sweetwater, an author, educator, soul mentor, and founder of One Life Circle, and frames her book True Human, Reimagining Ourselves at the End of Our World as a guide for future human civilization.

    Feb 5, 2026·1h 7m·5 clips
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    Episode 247: Artificial Humanities w/ Nina Begus

    Jan 29, 2026·56m
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    Episode 246: Outgrowing Modernity with Vanessa Machado De Oliveira

    Philip McKenzie interviews Vanessa Machado de Oliveira about her research on the unsustainability of modernity and its entanglements with violence.

    Jan 22, 2026·1h 12m
  111. 111

    Episode 245: A Fork in the Road w/ Indy Johar

    Jan 15, 2026·1h 4m
  112. 112

    Episode 244: Caught in the Streaming Wars w/ Charlotte Henry

    Dec 24, 2025·1h 6m
  113. 113

    Episode 243: Collaborating with the Enemy w/Adam Kahane

    Philip McKenzie interviews Adam Kahane about his book 'Collaborating with the Enemy' on working with people you disagree with.

    Dec 18, 2025·1h 4m
  114. 114

    Episode 242: The Positive Obsession of Octavia E. Butler

    Dec 11, 2025·1h
  115. 115

    Episode 241: Man Up and the New Misogyny w/ Cynthia Miller-Idriss

    Dec 4, 2025·1h 12m
  116. 116

    Episode 240: The Studio & Design Education w/ James Corazzo, Colin M. Gray & Derek Jones

    Nov 19, 2025·1h 5m
  117. 117

    Episode 239: Naturekind & Thinking Beyond the Human w/ Melissa Leach & James Fairhead

    Nov 13, 2025·1h 5m
  118. 118

    Episode 238: Goliath’s Curse w/ Luke Kemp

    Nov 6, 2025·1h 8m
  119. 119

    Episode 237: The Connected Leader w/ Emmanuel Gobillot

    Oct 23, 2025·1h 2m
  120. 120

    Episode 236: Crisis of Leadership w/ Steve Wyatt

    Oct 16, 2025·51m
  121. 121

    Episode 235: The Art of Design Strategy w/ Garkay Wong

    Oct 9, 2025·51m
  122. 122

    Episode 234: The Killing State w/ Corinna Barrett Lain

    Oct 2, 2025·58m
  123. 123

    Episode 233: Beyond The Male Crisis w/ Soraya Chemaly

    Sep 25, 2025·1h 9m
  124. 124

    Episode 232: What Might Be w/ Susan Sturm

    Jul 31, 2025·1h 8m
  125. 125

    Episode 231: Creating a Care Economy w/ Tim Jackson

    Jul 24, 2025·1h 18m
  126. 126

    Episode 230: Money, Lies and God w/ Katherine Stewart

    Jul 17, 2025·1h 1m
  127. 127

    Episode 229: The Crisis Within Foster Care w/ Claudia Rowe

    Philip McKenzie interviews Claudia Rowe about her book on the American foster care system and its long-term impacts.

    Jul 10, 2025·51m
  128. 128

    Episode 228: A Nonlinear Life w/ Kevin Bethune

    Jun 26, 2025·59m
  129. 129

    Episode 227: Private Equity and the Demise of the American Dream w/ Megan Greenwell

    Jun 19, 2025·1h 2m
  130. 130

    Episode 226: We Just Build Hammers w/ Coraline Ada Ehmke

    Jun 12, 2025·56m
  131. 131

    Episode 225: Futures Literacy in a Volatile World w/ Donna Dupont

    Jun 5, 2025·1h 3m
  132. 132

    Episode 224: Gaia Wakes & Emergent Planetary Intelligence w/ Topher McDoughal

    May 15, 2025·1h 4m
  133. 133

    Episode 223: Words as Violence w/ Alia Dastagir

    May 8, 2025·1h 15m
  134. 134

    Episode 222: Making Futures Work w/ Phil Balagtas

    May 1, 2025·1h 16m
  135. 135

    Episode 221: Everyday Habits and Radical Engagement w/ Adam Kahane

    Apr 24, 2025·51m
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    Episode 220: Research for Designers w/ Gjoko Muratovski

    Hidden gem

    Philip McKenzie opens The Deep Dive with Joko Mirotovsky, whose Research for Designers has become a 15-year project across three editions.

    Apr 17, 2025·1h 9m·4 clips
  137. 137

    Episode 219: The Rise of the Alt-Reich w/ Nafeez Ahmed

    Mar 27, 2025·1h 10m
  138. 138

    Episode 218: The Dao of Complexity w/Dr. Jean Boulton

    Mar 20, 2025·1h 5m
  139. 139

    Episode 217: Complexity & Organizations w/ Chris Mowles

    Mar 13, 2025·1h 2m
  140. 140

    Episode 216: Collapse, Trauma and Solidarity w/Ginie Servant-Miklos & Pamela Armitage

    Mar 6, 2025·1h 12m
  141. 141

    Episode 215: Just Enough Is Not The Minimum w/Erika Hall

    Feb 27, 2025·1h 5m
  142. 142

    Episode 214: Survival is a Promise w/Alexis Pauline Gumbs

    Feb 20, 2025·1h 2m
  143. 143

    Episode 213: The Aftermath w/ Soraya Chemaly, Aida Mariam Davis, & Stephanie Luce

    Feb 13, 2025·1h 5m
  144. 144

    Episode 212: Multisolving in a Fractured World w/ Dr. Elizabeth Sawin

    Feb 6, 2025·1h 7m
  145. 145

    Episode 211: Welcome to the Creative Club w/ Pia Leichter

    Jan 30, 2025·1h 4m
  146. 146

    Episode 210: Reckoning with Mass Incarceration w/ Kevin B. Smith

    Philip McKenzie interviews political scientist Kevin B.

    Jan 23, 2025·58m
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    Episode 209: Thinking About A Human Economy w/ Indy Johar

    Jan 16, 2025·51m
  148. 148

    Episode 209: Thinking About A Human Economy w/ Indy Johar

    Jan 15, 2025·1h 6m
  149. 149

    Episode 208: Morningside and the Greensboro Massacre w/ Aran Shetterly

    Dec 19, 2024·59m
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    Episode 207: What Design Can’t Do w/ Silvio Lorusso

    Dec 12, 2024·45m