Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast

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Real astrobiology, with Star Trek as the common language.

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Mike Wong, a working astrobiologist, brings his own research and collaborators onto the show alongside cosmologists, Trek novelists and other Star Trek podcasters. One conversation tests a Deep Space Nine plot against dark energy, and another follows a machine-learning study that reads the chemical traces of life in ancient rocks.

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About Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast

Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast is hosted by Mike Wong, who describes himself as both a professional astrobiologist and a science communicator. That double identity shapes the show. Several recent episodes grow straight out of his own desk: a paper, a grant, a book. Anirudh Prabhu joins him to explain a study that trained machine learning on organic chemical data from ancient rocks, pushing molecular evidence of life back to samples 3.3 billion years old. The details are the draw. A lab instrument gets described as an oven that bakes your cake and tastes it for you, and a wasp nest that the model kept classifying against its label is singled out as a favorite example. Caleb Scharf, who co-led a NASA astrobiology proposal with Wong, ranges from Darwin's voyage on the Beagle to the odd physics of pouring water on a spinning spacecraft to large language models tuned to stand in for particular experts. Bob Hazen, his co-author on Time's Second Arrow, lays out a law of increasing functional information meant to describe evolving systems from minerals to living cells, with side glances at music and AI. Star Trek is never far away, though it plays different roles. Sometimes it is a scientific prompt. Katie Mack uses the Deep Space Nine episode Chrysalis, in which characters try to head off the Big Crunch, as a way into dark energy, the DESI galaxy survey and the competing possible fates of the universe. Sometimes it is a mirror. In one episode Wong admits that the most important thing in a Trek story is often not the science, then hands the floor to Joe and Nicole Praska of Deep Space Love and their antifascist Star Trek watch list, discussed against the backdrop of federal immigration enforcement in the Twin Cities. The franchise also arrives through its makers, with Trek novelists Una McCormack and David Mack and actor Bob Picardo among the guests, and through Lower Decks, which science journalist Shi En Kim has discussed with Wong across its fifth and final season. Science policy is a steady undercurrent, from Wong's op-ed on federal cuts to astrobiology funding to The Planetary Society's Days of Action, where advocates met with Congressional offices. The feed also carries his appearances elsewhere, including Sean Carroll's Mindscape, and a reading of his essay for Noema Magazine. The register is warm and unguarded. Wong praises guests without reservation, calls Hazen a force of nature, and lets small stumbles survive past the sign-off. A newcomer drawn to cosmology might start with the Katie Mack conversation, while one who wants Trek as social commentary has the Praska episode.

Made for: Suits a listener who knows their Deep Space Nine and Lower Decks and wants working scientists to explain dark energy, biosignatures and the evolution of complexity in plain terms. Also fits someone comfortable with conversations that turn to politics and science funding.

What sets it apart: The host is an active astrobiologist who brings his own papers, grant work and co-authors onto the show, so much of the science comes from inside the research rather than being summarized from outside. Star Trek serves as both a scientific prompt and a mirror for society.

In their own words

Hosted by planetary scientist and astrobiologist Dr. Michael L. Wong, Strange New Worlds examines science, technology, and culture through the lens of Star Trek!

Why you'd press play

One 'Darmok' conversation may make your next 'break a leg' sound like Tamarian.

Press play if you want

  • to hear Mike Wong and a linguist test why 'Darmok' works as language
  • to rethink Mars as a test of sustainable habitation before dreaming of colonization
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Best episodes of Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast

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Episode 197: The End of EverythingApr 19, 2026

Katie Mack uses Deep Space Nine to trace how ideas about the universe's fate changed.

Strange New Worlds turns a Star Trek thought experiment into a compact tour of how cosmology's big questions have shifted. Mike Wong brings in Katie Mack, the Hawking Chair in Cosmology and Science Communication at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics, to look at Deep…

Episode 196: The Antifascist Star Trek Watch ListMar 8, 2026

A Star Trek watch list about fear, fragile institutions, and ordinary people facing authoritarian danger.

Star Trek serves here as a pointed way into authoritarian politics, with the conversation circling episodes about fear, security, and the quiet surrender of rights.

Episode 195: TIme's Second ArrowJan 28, 2026

A warm, wide-ranging conversation about evolution, complexity, and the science behind a forthcoming book.

A forthcoming book opens into a broad tour of complexity, moving from stars and planets to life, tumors, and the stories scientists use to make sense of them.

Episode 194: The Giant LeapJan 23, 2026

A personal NASA milestone opens into a careful case for understanding Mars before imagining life there.

Mike Wong begins with a career-making NASA astrobiology win, a proposal co-led with Caleb Scharf to build machine-learning tools for weighing multiple signs in the search for life beyond Earth.

Episode 193: The Linguistics of "Darmok"Jan 18, 2026

A linguistics-led reading of "Darmok" makes Star Trek's strangest dialogue feel close to everyday English.

Star Trek's "Darmok" turns a failed first contact into a problem of language, culture, and shared reference. Strange New Worlds brings in the specialist Mike Wong says he had been waiting for: Dr.

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Episodes

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    Episode 165: Mike on Dice in Mind

    ·45m
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    Episode 195: TIme's Second Arrow

    ·49m
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    Episode 194: The Giant Leap

    ·1h 8m
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    Episode 193: The Linguistics of "Darmok"

    ·52m
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    Episode 192: Whispers of Life in Ancient Rocks

    ·30m
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    Episode 191: Mike on Sean Carroll's Mindscape

    ·1h 17m
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    Episode 190: Relating to Nature in Space and on Earth

    ·53m
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    DSC 502: Double Solar Eclipse

    ·25m
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    DSC 501: Sturzstrom

    ·25m
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    Episode 178: Firewall

    ·58m
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    DSC 504 & 505: Temporal Bug

    ·28m
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    Episode 180: Preparing for Alien Earths

    ·14m
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    Episode 179: The Quantum Mechanics of Lower Decks

    ·45m
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    Episode 189: Bob Picardo Wants to Save NASA Science

    ·52m
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    Episode 187: Love in a Jefferies Tube

    ·1h 19m
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    Episode 186: The Habitable Worlds Observatory

    ·50m
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    Episode 185: An Astrobiology Op-Ed

    ·38m
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    Episode 184: Hope in the Face of Grief

    ·57m
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    Episode 183: Alien Earths

    ·54m
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    Episode 182: A Rocket Scientist Goes to Washington

    ·49m
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    Episode 181: Fungi Everywhere

    ·38m
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    DSC 503: Half-Life

    ·26m
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    Episode 177: Looking Out Is Looking In

    ·40m
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    LD 506–510: Science Besties

    ·28m
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    Episode 176: A.I. Summer

    ·42m
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    LD 501–505: Solar Sailing & Playing Dead

    ·25m
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    Episode 175: Decisions, Decisions

    ·43m
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    Episode 172: Leadership in Star Trek

    ·58m
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    Episode 171: Astrotopia

    ·57m
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    DSC 508–510: Lagrange Points

    ·43m
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    DSC 506 & 507: Distilled

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    Episode 170: Learning & Life

    ·58m
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    Episode 169: The Abiogenesis Zone

    ·43m
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    Episode 168: The Possibility of Life

    ·59m
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    Episode 167: Of Hope, Optimism, and Tomorrows

    ·52m
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    Episode 166: Subspace Rhapsody

    ·54m
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    Episode 196: The Antifascist Star Trek Watch List

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    Episode 164: Data as a Strategist, Part III

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    Episode 163: Data as a Strategist, Part II

    ·33m
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    Episode 162: Data as a Strategist, Part I

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    Episode 161: Nationalism & Star Trek

    ·59m
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    Episode 160: An ALife Address

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    Episode 159: Hailing Frequencies Open with Tim Russ & Kayla Iacovino

    ·59m
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    Episode 158: Oxygen Reflections

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    Episode 157: Cosmic Visions Reflections

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    Episode 156: Walter Koenig Remembers Nichelle Nichols

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    Episode 155: The High Country

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    Episode 154: Biosignatures in Extreme Environments

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    Episode 153: JWST Updates + Picard Finale

    ·48m
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    Episode 152: A.I. Spring

    ·38m
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    Episode 151: Mineral Informatics

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    Episode 150: Diary of an Analog Astronaut

    ·1h 7m
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    Episode 149: What Is Life? Reflections

    ·17m
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    Episode 148: #NetSciX2023 Reflections

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    Episode 147: Astromycology

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    DSC 405: The Power of a Hypergiant Star

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    Episode 145: The Craft of Storytelling

    ·1h 5m
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    Episode 144: #AGU22 Reflections

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    Episode 143: Artificial Intelligence in Lower Decks

    ·55m
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    Episode 142: Engaging Trekkies & Students About Astronomy

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    Episode 141: Thinking Outside Earth's Box

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    Episode 140: Revealing Enceladus's Secrets

    ·47m
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    Episode 139: Psychology in Strange New Worlds

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    Episode 138: Psychology in Lower Decks

    ·46m
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    Episode 137: Disability & Inclusion in Space Exploration

    ·38m
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    Episode 136: Creating Species 10-C's Language

    ·39m
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    Episode 135: Europa Watch Grand Finale

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    Episode 134: #AbSciCon22 Reflections

    ·14m
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    Episode 133: The Emergence of Science Fiction

    ·1h 4m
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    Europa Watch 5: Hypothetical Microbial Ecosystems

    ·29m
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    Episode 132: The Science of the DMA and Species 10-C

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    Europa Watch 4: #StarTrekCHI

    ·10m
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    Europa Watch 3: Io? Yes, Io!

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    Europa Watch 2: Radiation

    ·21m
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    Episode 131: The Art & Science of Starship Design

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    Europa Watch 1: Plumes

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    DSC 412: Air = Us

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    DSC 411: The Rocky Core of a Gas Giant Planet

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    Episode 130: Weather & Climate in Star Trek

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    Episode 129: Planetary Complexity Biosignatures

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    DSC 408: Identifying Isolynium

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    Episode 128: Oblivion's Gate

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    Episode 127: DSC 401–407 + PRO 106 + JWST's Launch

    ·1h 7m
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    Episode 126: In Celebration of Vaccines

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    DSC 404: Interdisciplinarity

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    DSC 403: Memory Distortion

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    DSC 402: The Gravitational Anomaly

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    DSC 401: Magnetoreception & Disorientation

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    Episode 125: The Ascent of Information

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    Episode 124: Tardigrade Genes & Other Science Stories

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    Episdoe 123: The Borgs in Your Backyard

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    Episode 122.5: BONUS! An Atomic Interview with Mike

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    Episode 122: Diversity in Science & Star Trek

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    Episode 121: Climate Change & Star Trek

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    Episode 120: Robots, Data, and a New Category of Being

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    Episode 119: The Familiar Unfamiliar

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    Episode 146: The Science Behind Star Trek: Prodigy

    Host Dr.

    ·58m
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    Episode 173: Temporal Mechanics 101

    Host Dr.

    ·1h
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    Episode 188: What Searching for Aliens Reveals About Ourselves

    Host Mike Wong discusses his experience at a conference on using planetary science to address Earth's climate crisis.

    ·33m
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    Episode 174: #TEDxNE Reflections

    Host Mike Wong discusses astrobiology and the nature of life in the universe, connecting it to planetary science and Star Trek.

    ·32m
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    Episode 197: The End of Everything

    Mike Wong and cosmologist Katie Mack use Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's 1998 episode "Chrysalis" to examine the Big Crunch, the cosmological constant, and competing theories for the universe's end.

    Apr 19, 2026·46m·3 clips
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    Episode 196: The Antifascist Star Trek Watch List

    Hidden gem

    ["Mike Wong on Strange New Worlds: A Science & Star Trek Podcast talks with Joe and Nicole Praska about Joe's anti-fascist Star Trek watch list, published on Twin Cities Geek and tied to current backlash around Starfleet Academy.", "Joe says reactions from Elon Musk and Stephen Miller, plus ICE pressure in the Twin Cities, helped motivate the article, while Nicole describes Minnesota neighbors helping immigrant families who are afraid to leave home.", "The guests use The Next Generation's 'The Drumhead,' Picard season 2's 'Assimilation' and 'Watcher,' Enterprise's 'Demons' and 'Terra Prime,' and other series examples to show how Trek keeps linking fear, rights, and institutional power.", "Nicole's latent fingerprint work at a Minnesota crime lab and Joe's long family history with Star Trek give the discussion a personal register that stays grounded in concrete experience."]

    Mar 8, 2026·55m·3 clips
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    Episode 195: TIme's Second Arrow

    Hidden gem

    Mike Wong and Bob Hazen discuss Time's Second Arrow, Evolution, Order, and a New Law of Nature, due February 10, 2026, as a claim that minerals, rain forests, cities, music, and AI all evolve in parallel.

    Jan 28, 2026·49m·3 clips
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    Episode 194: The Giant Leap

    Hidden gem

    Mike Wong opens by tying the episode to a NASA astrobiology grant he co-led with Dr.

    Jan 23, 2026·1h 8m·5 clips
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    Episode 193: The Linguistics of "Darmok"

    Hidden gem

    Episode 193 of Strange New Worlds centers on Star Trek: The Next Generation's "Darmok," with host Mike Wong interviewing Dr.

    Jan 18, 2026·52m·5 clips
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    Episode 192: Whispers of Life in Ancient Rocks

    Hidden gem

    Mike Wong and Anirudh Prabhu explain a PNAS study that uses PyGCMS and supervised machine learning on 406 samples to identify molecular patterns associated with life.

    Nov 17, 2025·30m·2 clips
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    Episode 191: Mike on Sean Carroll's Mindscape

    Hidden gem

    Michael Wong and Sean Carroll examine origins-of-life research, including RNA-first surface ponds and metabolism-first alkaline hydrothermal vents.

    Nov 8, 2025·1h 17m·5 clips
  108. 108

    Episode 190: Relating to Nature in Space and on Earth

    Oct 25, 2025·53m
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    Episode 189: Bob Picardo Wants to Save NASA Science

    Oct 19, 2025·52m
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    Episode 188: What Searching for Aliens Reveals About Ourselves

    Oct 4, 2025·33m
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    Episode 187: Love in a Jefferies Tube

    Sep 27, 2025·1h 19m
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    Episode 186: The Habitable Worlds Observatory

    Aug 5, 2025·50m
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    Episode 185: An Astrobiology Op-Ed

    Jul 23, 2025·38m
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    Episode 184: Hope in the Face of Grief

    Jun 28, 2025·57m
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    Episode 183: Alien Earths

    May 12, 2025·54m
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    Episode 182: A Rocket Scientist Goes to Washington

    May 5, 2025·49m
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    Episode 181: Fungi Everywhere

    Apr 6, 2025·38m
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    Episode 180: Preparing for Alien Earths

    Mar 29, 2025·14m
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    Episode 179: The Quantum Mechanics of Lower Decks

    Mar 9, 2025·45m
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    Episode 178: Firewall

    Feb 8, 2025·58m
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    Episode 177: Looking Out Is Looking In

    Jan 23, 2025·40m
  122. 122

    LD 506–510: Science Besties

    Jan 20, 2025·28m
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    Episode 176: A.I. Summer

    Dec 29, 2024·42m
  124. 124

    LD 501–505: Solar Sailing & Playing Dead

    Nov 19, 2024·25m
  125. 125

    Episode 175: Decisions, Decisions

    Oct 29, 2024·43m
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    Episode 174: #TEDxNE Reflections

    Oct 11, 2024·32m
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    Episode 173: Temporal Mechanics 101

    Aug 26, 2024·1h
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    Episode 172: Leadership in Star Trek

    Aug 5, 2024·58m
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    Episode 171: Astrotopia

    Jul 7, 2024·57m
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    DSC 508–510: Lagrange Points

    Jun 21, 2024·43m
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    DSC 506 & 507: Distilled

    May 19, 2024·31m
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    DSC 504 & 505: Temporal Bug

    May 1, 2024·28m
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    DSC 503: Half-Life

    Apr 20, 2024·26m
  134. 134

    DSC 502: Double Solar Eclipse

    Apr 12, 2024·25m
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    DSC 501: Sturzstrom

    Apr 8, 2024·25m
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    Episode 170: Learning & Life

    Apr 6, 2024·58m
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    Episode 169: The Abiogenesis Zone

    Mar 24, 2024·43m
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    Episode 168: The Possibility of Life

    Mar 18, 2024·59m
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    Episode 167: Of Hope, Optimism, and Tomorrows

    Feb 5, 2024·52m
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    Episode 166: Subspace Rhapsody

    Jan 21, 2024·54m
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    Episode 165: Mike on Dice in Mind

    Jan 13, 2024·45m
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    Episode 164: Data as a Strategist, Part III

    Dec 24, 2023·28m
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    Episode 163: Data as a Strategist, Part II

    Nov 19, 2023·33m
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    Episode 162: Data as a Strategist, Part I

    Nov 4, 2023·38m
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    Episode 161: Nationalism & Star Trek

    Oct 3, 2023·59m
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    Episode 160: An ALife Address

    Sep 1, 2023·18m
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    Episode 159: Hailing Frequencies Open with Tim Russ & Kayla Iacovino

    Host Mike Wong presents a panel discussion on exploring strange new worlds, featuring actor Tim Russ and NASA researcher Dr.

    Aug 20, 2023·59m
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    Episode 158: Oxygen Reflections

    Aug 12, 2023·16m
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    Episode 157: Cosmic Visions Reflections

    Jul 20, 2023·18m
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    Episode 156: Walter Koenig Remembers Nichelle Nichols

    Jul 13, 2023·50m
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    Episode 155: The High Country

    Jul 2, 2023·54m