RBTV is a conversational interview podcast, and the place it keeps coming back to is Middlesbrough. Its conversations with Andy Preston and Aaron Lythe both turn on the town, and they are worth hearing together. 'Andy Preston Part one. RBTV #44' comes with a short spoken introduction that explains the setup. The show first spoke to Preston roughly four years earlier, when he was on the campaign trail to be mayor, and this return visit looks back on his four years in the job. Preston is blunt about rumours: how they gain traction, how people who don't believe them still stir them up for political reasons, and how much that hurts. 'I'm not a saint, but I'm pretty honest,' he says. His closing plans are small ones: get fitter, maybe box again, maybe learn the piano. 'Andy Preston Pt. 2' exists because Preston sent a message the next day asking to say more about local councils. The second conversation looks ahead. It lists offices on Albert Road, Bloom restaurant, new bars, a cinema, a food hall and what is happening in Captain Cook Square. Preston argues that AI and working from home will never stop people wanting to be entertained in groups. He adds that a town's turnaround is most fragile near its beginning. 'Aaron Lythe PT.2 - Play Middlesbrough' looks at the same town from street level. It covers Teesside's creative corner growing from very DIY to still DIY, rising council tax, and people choosing to go somewhere off the beaten track instead of into the town centre. One speaker can think of a hundred interesting people in Teesside but hardly any local podcasts, apart from a friend's football one. The conversation ends on gratitude and the line that 'we all stand on the shoulders of giants'. Not everything here is civic. '100 Horrors special!!' brings in the crew behind another podcast to mark its 100th episode. The talk drifts into mishaps at school, a DVD one of them only wished they owned, and being harassed by people from Iowa. 'Hazel 2024' hands the microphone to a three-year-old, who names tigers, elephants and Spider-Man among her favourites. The host also works solo. 'New year, new you? Maybe just!' recommends writing goals down on paper and aiming to be just 1% better instead of perfect in January, because small habits compound. The advice comes from years of thinking about food and fuelling for jiu-jitsu and competitions. The episode also owns up to a Christmas of chocolate, mince pies, beer and whiskey. For the town, start with the Andy Preston pair. To hear the host alone, try the new-year episode, and for easy laughs, '100 Horrors special!!'.