Make Life Work

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Fitting side projects around a day job and a family

The gist

Si Jobling, an engineering manager and parent of two, talks with friends and online contacts from web, tech and marketing about fitting work, family and side projects together. The talk stays practical: habit trackers, to-do list views, and exercise used as a gauge of whether a routine is working.

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About Make Life Work

Make Life Work is a conversation podcast built on a problem its host lives with himself. Si Jobling introduces himself as an engineering manager by day and a parent of two who still tries to find time for side projects, and he invites guests to share how they manage the same balance. The guest list leans personal. Andy Clarke and Dan Davies are old friends from the early web days, and Adrian Lansdown is a friend of many years who also works alongside him. Others come through social media: Ian Lurie after an exchange on Mastodon, and Montserrat Cano after a mutual acquaintance, Simon Cox, boosted one of Si's posts. What sets the show apart is how specific the talk gets. Adrian describes a task app with a today view and an evening slot for when the kids have gone to bed. He also keeps a home automation list split into broken fixes, improvements and bigger projects, and he thinks the bigger ones through when he is tired. Ian, a former marketing agency CEO who became an individual contributor after selling the business, treats fitness as his benchmark. If the workouts stop, he takes it as a sign that the routine has to change. Si keeps a habit tracker on his phone and laptop to hold himself to a small daily goal. Montserrat, an SEO and digital marketing expert from Spain, is frank about the costs. She wants to get back to writing articles, says nothing in her work ever takes five minutes, and admits to anxiety over opportunities that slipped past while she was busy producing. Her counterweight is variety: rotating through different kinds of tasks during the day keeps her from overthinking. The episode with Andy Clarke and Dan Davies turns to craft. It covers how to stay excited about design once ideas that used to get kicked around in banter pass through Figma comments and Slack channels, and once fast-paced e-commerce work and time budgets leave less room to be creative. It also includes a blunt productivity tip about moving social media apps off the phone's home screen to avoid doom scrolling, along with a confessed weakness for inbox zero. The reunion with Sam Hardacre and Mike Street, both from the On The Side Slack community, is looser. They catch up on two years, look ahead to goals for 2023, and take a detour into how time seems to dilate, especially once there are children. The register is friendly and informal, with plenty of joking when old friends are in the room. For concrete systems, start with 'Home automation & lists of things with Adrian Lansdown'. For a guest who went from running an agency to working as an individual contributor, try 'From CEO to individual contributor with Ian Lurie'.

Made for: Suits a listener in web, tech or marketing work who is trying to keep room for family and personal projects and wants to hear the actual lists, trackers and habits other people use.

What sets it apart: The talk stays at the level of real routines, such as a task app's evening view, a home automation list sorted into fixes and improvements, exercise used as a gauge, and social apps moved off the home screen. Many guests are the host's long-time friends or peers from his community, so episodes often play as catch-ups rather than formal interviews.

In their own words

After working in the tech scene for nearly two decades, Si Jobling has tried to balance a professional career, family time and side projects. Along the way, he's made some fascinating connections from around the tech scene who have been through similar challenges.This podcast is him discussing the stories of other individuals, comparing notes and offering listeners an insights to how they could find harmony between making, life and work.

Why you'd press play

Even smart blinds need an evening slot when your day job and family have claimed the daylight.

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  • a way to sort broken home automation fixes from tempting new projects after bedtime
  • company when creative work has become Slack comments and the bills keep winning
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Work-life balance in tech and web careersSide projects alongside a day jobFamily time and parentingTo-do lists, habit trackers and time boxingExercise as part of a routineOnline communities on Slack and MastodonStaying motivated in creative work

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Best episodes of Make Life Work

Short reviews from the PlayNext desk, based on the episodes we processed.

The lost joy of web design with Andy Clarke & Dan DaviesMar 28, 2023

A candid web-work conversation about staying creative as work, notifications, and life press in.

This PlayNext episode treats joy in web work as something that has to be protected once creative practice turns into fast e-commerce work, bills, tight time budgets, and asynchronous design chatter in Figma or Slack.

From CEO to individual contributor with Ian LurieMar 14, 2023

A candid career transition conversation that uses time blocking and exercise as practical tests of a sustainable routine.

Make Life Work turns Ian Lurie's shift from running a marketing agency in the States to working as an individual contributor after selling the business into a clear question about routine: what changes when the structure around a career falls away?

Using communities and taking breaks with Montserrat CanoFeb 28, 2023

A candid episode about freelance pressure, missed chances, anxiety, and the daily effort to keep moving.

Work-life balance comes through as a practical operating problem, not a lifestyle slogan. Montserrat Cano describes the push and pull of working, freelancing, running her own company, looking for longer-term in-house work, and protecting enough space to write.

Home automation & lists of things with Adrian LansdownFeb 14, 2023

A practical look at time-boxing, separate task lists, and keeping home automation manageable.

Make Life Work follows Adrian Lansdowne's effort to keep work, home life, personal tasks, side projects, and home automation from collapsing into one undifferentiated list.

On The Side Reunion with Mike & SamJan 31, 2023

A lived-in reunion about family, side projects, and keeping goals moving.

Make Life Work's 10th-season reunion uses a long-running connection to think through adult life in practical terms. Si Jobling brings Sam Hardacre and Mike Street back from the On The Side Slack community for a catch-up on the past two years, where goals for 2023 sit naturally…

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  1. 1

    Podroll: PETALS, Spotify or Atlassian?

    Apr 19, 2024·2m
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    The lost joy of web design with Andy Clarke & Dan Davies

    Hidden gem

    Si Jobling opens season 10 of Make Life Work with Andy Clarke and Dan Davies, two old friends from “the old web days,” to talk about pandemic fallout, work, and the creative habits that keep them going.

    Mar 28, 2023·50m·3 clips
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    From CEO to individual contributor with Ian Lurie

    Hidden gem

    Si Jobling speaks with Ian Lurie, former CEO of Seattle agency Portent, about moving from running a 50-person company to working as an individual consultant after the 2017 sale to Clearlink.

    Mar 14, 2023·42m·2 clips
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    Using communities and taking breaks with Montserrat Cano

    Hidden gem

    Montserrat Cano, an international SEO and digital marketing consultant from Spain, says her work is built around “the basics” because Google algorithms and people’s behaviour keep changing.

    Feb 28, 2023·47m·3 clips
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    Home automation & lists of things with Adrian Lansdown

    Hidden gem

    Si Jobling opens season 10 of Make Life Work with Adrian Lansdown, an engineering manager at ASOS who also has a wife, two kids aged 4 and 6, and a home automation habit that includes Nest thermostats, Frigate, Google Coral TPU, and a garden office.

    Feb 14, 2023·43m·2 clips
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    On The Side Reunion with Mike & Sam

    Hidden gem

    Si Jobling opens season 10 of Make Life Work with Sam Hardacre and Mike Street from the On The Side Slack community, framing the conversation around day jobs, family life, and side projects.

    Jan 31, 2023·50m·3 clips
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    How does Cole Henley make life work?

    Cole Henley is technical director at Bath web agency MUD, where he leads backend delivery and platforms.

    Aug 7, 2022·51m·2 clips
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    How does Patricia Manley make life work?

    Patricia Manley moved from business intelligence development into agile delivery after redundancy opened a different career path.

    Jul 31, 2022·49m·2 clips
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    How does James Norton make life work?

    Sai Jobling interviews Kazoo engineering head James Norton about work-life balance after the pandemic.

    Jul 24, 2022·44m·2 clips
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    How does Lewis Prescott make life work

    Jul 18, 2022·47m
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    How does AJ Wilson make life work?

    Jul 10, 2022·40m
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    How does Carlo Beschi make life work?

    Jul 3, 2022·47m
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    How does Michele Hansen make life work?

    Jun 26, 2022·45m
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    Making Dress Circle with Dom Hodgson

    Mar 6, 2022·48m
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    Making habit trackers with Simon Scarfe

    Feb 20, 2022·50m
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    Making Volv with Shannon Almeida

    Feb 14, 2022·48m
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    Making F1 Calendar with Andy Yates

    Feb 6, 2022·49m
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    Making Founderpath with Mubs

    Oct 10, 2021·54m
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    Making candles with Silvia and Ely

    Oct 3, 2021·50m
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    Making Letters to a New Developer with Dan Moore

    Sep 27, 2021·53m
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    Making strategic photography with Shari Muhima

    Sep 12, 2021·51m
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    Making & sharing with Lorna Mitchell

    Jul 12, 2021·46m
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    Making Ladies That UX meetups with MT McCann

    Jun 28, 2021·49m
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    Making remote work with Chris Heilmann

    Jun 21, 2021·46m
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    Making @Fesshole with Rob Manuel

    Jun 13, 2021·45m
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    №25 - Tingle of Completion

    Mar 15, 2021·45m
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    №24 - Selfish Problem Solving

    Mar 8, 2021·48m
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    №22 – Should Side Projects Be A Job Requirement?

    Feb 22, 2021·43m
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    №21 – On The Side Takeover Pilot

    Feb 15, 2021·50m
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    №20 Brian Suda

    Oct 22, 2020·51m
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    №19 Dan Vinnicombe

    Oct 16, 2020·42m
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    №18 Franca Hood

    Oct 8, 2020·45m
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    №17 - Naomi White Revisited

    Oct 1, 2020·43m
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    №16 - Elizabeth Elcoate

    Sep 23, 2020·44m
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    №15 – Mike Street

    Jun 3, 2020·36m
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    №14 - Alex Brooke

    May 28, 2020·32m
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    №13 - Run Dom Run

    May 22, 2020·31m
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    №12 - Stephen Turvey-Wright

    May 13, 2020·37m
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    №11 - Luke Murphy

    May 7, 2020·33m
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    №10 – Dan Davies

    Mar 22, 2020·46m
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    №9 – Marc Littlemore

    Mar 14, 2020·1h 5m
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    №8 - Ashley Baxter

    Mar 8, 2020·52m
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    №7 - Kevin Cunningham

    Mar 2, 2020·52m
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    №6 - Naomi White

    Feb 24, 2020·58m
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    №5 - Mike Hince

    Dec 29, 2019·57m