Gov Actually

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The machinery of government, minus the personalities and politics.

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Gov Actually sets the personalities and the politics aside to ask how the work of government gets done, and by whom. Its hosts and guests cover the Congressional Review Act, city transit, the National Security Council and the question of why citizens trust government, or don't.

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Gov Actually is a FedScoop Radio Network podcast that takes its own name literally, asking how government functions in practice. Across episodes the same opening lines come back: the hosts want to get beyond the personalities and the politics and talk about how things get done, who does them and what gets in the way. That brief produces conversations about machinery rather than horse races. Regulation is one strand. In the episode with Stuart Shapiro, the discussion covers the Congressional Review Act, its aggressive use at the start of the Trump administration, and the Clean Power regulation. One argument heard there is that opponents of the rule picked the Supreme Court as a more favorable venue than a Congressional Review Act fight, as part of a decades-long project by those who think the state over-regulates. Cities are another strand. The conversation with Maura Brophy, under the title 'The Future of Cities', treats downturns and recoveries as a cycle cities have lived through before. It also insists that density, ridership and mass transit cannot be pulled apart. National security gets its turn in 'Inside the Russia-Ukraine War, with National Security Expert Troy Thomas'. The talk there includes how the Office of the Director of National Intelligence was created after 9-11 and how the intelligence community is represented when the president convenes the National Security Council. Public trust appears in more than one episode title. The 2021 year-in-review tells of a fire department that had a procedure, followed it and got a household back up and running within hours. It sets that against the waste stories on the nightly news and asks which one shapes a person's view of government more. Another conversation asks whether politics is now swamping good public administration, while noting that someone yelling at a school board is nothing new. The hosts are candid about their limits. Closing the Shapiro episode, one of them says he measures episodes by how much he learns, and that the conversations keep reminding him how much he does not know. There are plenty of tangents: talk of seeing Hamilton, college-era anecdotes about Avril Haines, a neighborly joke about scootering past a house, and a room whose existence cannot be discussed on the podcast. The episode titled 'Episode 58: Gov Actually is Back, ft. Gov. Charlie Baker and a New Fill-In Co-Host' begins with Dan Tangerlini apologizing for a long gap and explaining it: founding co-host Danny Werfel had been confirmed as IRS commissioner. Jen fills in, and Gov. Charlie Baker's book leads to talk of bottom-up change meeting top-down leadership, of evidence and pain points, and of parallels with how good software is built. The DMV and the child welfare system come up as places where people feel the constituent experience directly. What a listener gets is an easygoing tour of how rules, agencies and cities work, from hosts who sound glad to be talking to each other.

Made for: Suits a listener who would rather understand how a regulation gets challenged, why transit matters to a city, or how the intelligence community gets a seat at the National Security Council than hear who won the news cycle. It fits someone who enjoys procedure delivered with easy, joking rapport.

What sets it apart: It skips the horse race and sticks to how things work: the Congressional Review Act, transit density, constituent pain points at the DMV. Its co-host story is unusual too, since founding co-host Danny Werfel was confirmed as IRS commissioner and a fill-in named Jen sat in for him.

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Episode 58: Gov Actually is Back, ft. Gov. Charlie Baker and a New Fill-In Co-HostMar 24, 2023

Gov Actually returns with a practical discussion of teams, evidence, and the human pain points behind public-service data.

Gov Actually returns after a long pause, with Dan Tangherlini noting that founding co-host Danny Werfel's nomination and confirmation as IRS commissioner delayed the show's comeback.

Episode 57: The Supreme Court's Impact on Federal Regulations, w/ Stuart ShapiroJul 21, 2022

A clear, institution-focused look at why federal regulatory fights keep testing Congress's role.

The Supreme Court's role in federal regulation is framed here as a fight over who gets to answer the biggest policy questions: Congress, the executive branch, or the justices.

Episode 55: Inside the Russia-Ukraine War, with National Security Expert Troy ThomasApr 28, 2022

A clear, accessible tour of the national-security machinery around the Russia-Ukraine war.

Episode 55 looks at the Russian attack on Ukraine through the practical machinery of national security. Troy helps steer the conversation past the org chart and toward how decisions actually get framed, while the hosts sort through the roles of the National Security Council, the…

Episode 54: Revisiting Trust's Impact on the Role of GovernmentFeb 24, 2022

A measured discussion of how local accountability can sustain public trust when politics feels overpowering.

Dan Tanger and Danny Werfel frame public trust around a practical tension: what happens when politics starts to crowd out the work of public policy and administration.

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    Episode 58: Gov Actually is Back, ft. Gov. Charlie Baker and a New Fill-In Co-Host

    Hidden gem

    ["GovActually Episode 58 centers on Charlie Baker and Steve Kadish explaining how Massachusetts government tries to turn management ideas into service delivery.", "Dan Tangerlini opens by apologizing for the gap between episodes and notes Danny Werfel's March 9, 2023 confirmation as IRS commissioner.", "Jen Polka, founder of Code for America and a former deputy in the Obama administration's Office of Science Technology Policy, fills in as co-host while Baker and Kadish discuss Results: Getting Beyond Politics to Get Important Work Done.", "They use the Health Connector, the Registry of Motor Vehicles, DCF, and the T to show how service complaints, union rules, and emergency work can be handled differently."]

    Mar 24, 2023·54m·3 clips
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    Episode 57: The Supreme Court's Impact on Federal Regulations, w/ Stuart Shapiro

    Hidden gem

    Stuart Shapiro says West Virginia v.

    Jul 21, 2022·44m·3 clips
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    Episode 56: The Future of Cities, w/ Maura Brophy

    Hidden gem

    Maura Brophy says Noma's 1990s redevelopment was an economic recovery strategy, and she cites a Metro station that cost about $100 million and helped generate $1.25 billion in local tax revenue.

    Jun 9, 2022·52m·3 clips
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    Episode 55: Inside the Russia-Ukraine War, with National Security Expert Troy Thomas

    Hidden gem

    GovActually episode 55 brings Troy Thomas, a Boston Consulting Group managing director and former National Security Council official under President Obama, to explain the Russia-Ukraine war.

    Apr 28, 2022·48m·3 clips
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    Episode 54: Revisiting Trust's Impact on the Role of Government

    Hidden gem

    ["GovActually Episode 54, Revisiting Trust's Impact on the Role of Government, asks why trust changes when the conversation moves from federal politics to local service delivery.", "Dan Tanger and Danny Werfel revisit the show's April 2018 mistrust in the U.S.

    Feb 24, 2022·36m·2 clips
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    Episode 53: Year in Review — The Pandemic Reveals Gaps in Citizen Trust

    Hidden gem

    GovActually Episode 53 uses a 2021 year-in-review format to argue that the biggest government story was trust, not just vaccine supply.

    Dec 22, 2021·42m·3 clips
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    Episode 52: Talking Infrastructure

    Hidden gem

    GovActually Episode 52, "Talking Infrastructure," shifts from the passed infrastructure bill to the harder work of project delivery, oversight, and procurement.

    Nov 17, 2021·45m·3 clips
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    Episode 51: Talking Government Innovation with Beth Simone Noveck

    Hidden gem

    Beth Simone Noveck discusses her book Solving Public Problems with GovActually hosts Dan Tangherlini and Danny Werfel.

    Sep 22, 2021·47m·3 clips
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    Here's to 50 and a Look Ahead

    Hidden gem

    GovActually marks episode 50 with jokes about Roman numeral L, a diamond milestone, and a cubic zirconium gift before comparing itself to Car Talk.

    Jul 7, 2021·45m·3 clips
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    Episode 50: Do Deficits Matter? Ft. Steve McMillin

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    Steve McMillin argues that deficit warnings still matter even as trillion-dollar borrowing, low Treasury yields, and recent inflation data have muted the old fiscal alarm bells.

    Jun 10, 2021·42m·3 clips
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    Episode 49: Exploring the Government's Colonial Pipeline Hack Response

    May 18, 2021·46m
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    Episode 48: "We the Possibility" and Public Entrepreneurship ft. Mitchell Weiss

    Apr 28, 2021·43m
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    Episode 47: Inside Code for America's Mission to Modernize Government

    Apr 9, 2021·38m
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    Episode 46: OMB and Transition

    Mar 5, 2021·44m
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    Episode 45: Inside the Vital Railroad Industry

    Feb 4, 2021·47m
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    Episode 44: On the Transition, Hot Cocoa and Blankets

    Nov 20, 2020·45m
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    Bonus Episode: Live from the 2020 Sammies Gov Actually Watch Party

    Oct 8, 2020·33m
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    Episode 43: Celebrating Federal Super Heroes with the 2020 Sammies

    Hosts Dan Tanger and Danny Werfel discuss how government actually works with Max Steyer, CEO of the Partnership for Public Service.

    Oct 2, 2020·46m
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    Episode 42: Talking Presidential History with David Fisher

    Hosts discuss how government actually works, introducing a guest and sharing their personal experiences with Hamilton the musical.

    Aug 5, 2020·55m
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    Episode 41: Inspiring Americans to Serve, ft. Congressman Joe Heck

    Jun 25, 2020·46m
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    Episode 40: A Discussion on Race Through the Lens of Government

    Jun 8, 2020·52m
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    Episode 39: How Government Balances Saving Lives with Economic Cost w/ Cass Sunstein

    Interview with Cass Sunstein about public policy challenges and how government actually works.

    May 21, 2020·46m
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    Episode 38: Reflecting on the Coronavirus and Reopening the U.S.

    May 6, 2020·49m
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    Episode 37: The Government Response to Coronavirus

    Mar 13, 2020·40m
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    Episode 36: The Biggest Challenges Facing America's Governments

    Jan 29, 2020·38m
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    Episode 35: Gov Actually wraps up 2019 and the decade

    Dec 11, 2019·39m
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    Episode 34: The History and Importance of Whistleblowers

    Oct 30, 2019·46m
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    Episode 33: The Federal Government's Role in Gun Control

    Aug 12, 2019·45m
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    Episode 32: USDA's Relocation Sparks a Conversation on Government Modernization

    Jul 9, 2019·44m
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    Episode 31: Media and the government, with James Rosen

    An interview with investigative reporter James Rosen about how the media covers government.

    May 9, 2019·43m
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    Episode 30: The 'Dave' Episode

    Mar 15, 2019·44m
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    Episode 29: An Idea to Prevent Future Shutdowns

    Jan 17, 2019·48m
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    Episode 28: Get Ready for Oversight

    Nov 12, 2018·48m
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    Episode 27: Inside The Confirmation Process

    Sep 10, 2018·46m
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    Episode 26: Procurement

    Jul 19, 2018·46m
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    Episode 25: Dan and Danny Are OPM Co-Directors for a Day

    Jun 8, 2018·51m
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    Episode 24: Talking Public Satisfaction and Trust in the Government

    Apr 9, 2018·41m
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    Episode 23: We Wish You a Merry President's Management Agenda

    Mar 9, 2018·40m
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    Episode 22: Everything you need to know about a government shutdown

    Jan 19, 2018·51m
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    Episode 21: Inside the CFPB Leadership Standoff

    Dec 13, 2017·50m
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    Episode 20: The Other Side of Trump's Tax Reform

    Nov 16, 2017·50m
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    Episode 19: Inside government disaster response

    Oct 10, 2017·38m
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    Episode 18: Meet the 2017 Sammies Finalists pt. 3

    Sep 12, 2017·32m
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    Episode 17: Meet the 2017 Sammies Finalists pt. 2

    Sep 5, 2017·25m
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    Episode 16: The Oscars of Government Service — Meet the 2017 Sammies Finalists pt.1

    Aug 8, 2017·52m
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    Episode 15: Summer of Gov

    Jul 24, 2017·40m
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    Episode 14: Everything You Need to Know About CBO

    Jun 26, 2017·45m
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    Episode 13: How Infrastructure Works

    Jun 6, 2017·53m
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    Episode 12: Martin O'Malley on leading and managing the government of the future

    May 15, 2017·51m
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    Episode 11: How Regulation Works

    Apr 25, 2017·45m