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Leaked data, AI fakes, and Congress out of its depth.

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CYBER talks with people at the sharp end of technology: a security director at The Intercept who authenticates hacked data, a newsletter writer tallying Big Tech acquisitions, an author whose novel is narrated by an AI. Two episode titles take direct aim at Congress, one over AI deepfakes and one over fears of Russian space nukes.

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About CYBER

CYBER is an interview show about hacking, leaks, and AI, and about the institutions struggling to keep up with them. Its conversations run from the forensic to the literary. At the forensic end is Micah Lee, director of information security at The Intercept, in an episode titled 'How to Read Leaked Datasets Like a Journalist'. He recounts a hacker reaching him on Signal and sending a file of about a hundred megabytes that expanded into a mass of patient and prescription records tied to America's Frontline Doctors. He did not know whether any of it was real. He describes how he went about authenticating it, and says the research led to a congressional investigation. Near the close, the talk turns to practical advice: leave as little trail as possible, or mix it in with thousands of other people's. Ed Zitron brings a different complaint. He runs a PR firm, writes a newsletter, and faults a lot of tech coverage, podcasts especially, for lacking an informed perspective. He reads a run of acquisitions from his newsletter, Oculus to Meta, WhatsApp to the company then called Facebook, Mojang to Microsoft, and argues each iPhone generation now opens a smaller gap over the last. The NSA's Prism program comes up too. AI threads through several episodes. In 'AI Deepfakes Are Everywhere and Congress is Completely Out of Their Depth', one speaker calls a piece of likeness legislation ridiculous, arguing it would leave the artists it aims to protect open to AI exploitation by whoever acquires the rights to their bodies. The conversation also stresses that the law offers a right to sue, not a takedown of AI-generated sexual imagery. Matthew adds a note at the top: hours after recording, the Federal Communications Commission declared AI-generated voices in robocalls illegal, relying on the 1991 Telephone Consumer Protection Act rather than any new law. The literary end belongs to Debbie Urbanski, whose first novel, Afterworld, is narrated by an AI called Story Worker that is trained on 21st-century novels and tasked with telling the story of the last human on Earth. Spoilers are deliberately held back for the second half of that conversation. Then there is wrestling. One episode explains why younger wrestlers call older ones carnies, a word rooted in the business's carnival days, and traces McMahon's shift from buffoonish announcer to villainous owner set against heroes like The Rock and Steve Austin, alongside rumors of a casting couch in WWE. That episode, 'Why Congress's Fears of Russian Space Nukes Is Political Theatre', starts with an advisory from Emily about sexual violence and suicide and a timestamp for skipping ahead to the discussion of nukes in space. What a listener takes away is breadth anchored in specifics: how a leak gets checked, what a likeness law actually grants, and how an old statute catches a new scam.

Made for: Suits a listener who follows hacking, leaks, and AI policy and wants the people involved to explain the mechanics, such as how a leaked dataset gets authenticated or what a likeness law actually grants. It also suits someone comfortable with frank discussion of sexual violence and misconduct allegations when a story calls for it.

What sets it apart: Its range is unusual for a security show: one feed moves from authenticating a leaked medical dataset to a novel narrated by an AI to wrestling carnies and McMahon. Its titles openly fault Congress on technology instead of just explaining the news.

In their own words

Hacking. Hackers. Disinformation campaigns. Encryption. The Cyber. This stuff gets complicated really fast, but Motherboard spends its time embedded in the infosec world so you don't have to. Host Matthew Gault talks every week to Motherboard reporters about the stories they're breaking and to the industry's most famous hackers and researchers about the biggest news in cybersecurity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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A fake Biden robocall meets a 1991 law; your neat AI-policy opinion may need a second draft.

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  • to ask what a right to sue over deepfakes actually does for someone without an army of lawyers
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Why Congress's Fears of Russian Space Nukes Is Political TheatreFeb 16, 2024

CYBER links wrestling's carnival logic to nuclear fear, tracing how spectacle turns danger into a story people can follow.

CYBER draws a sharp, unlikely line between wrestling's old carnival logic and the machinery of public fear. It starts with touts, wagers, worked finishes, and the unstable border between performance and alleged real-world harm, then uses Vince McMahon's persona and Ashley…

AI Deepfakes Are Everywhere and Congress is Completely Out of Their DepthFeb 9, 2024

A clear look at how AI imitation exposes the gap between legal rights and real protection.

AI legislation runs into the rough edges of imitation in this episode, as Janice Rose, a senior editor at Motherboard covering AI, moves from AI-generated voices to the rights of people whose voices and images are misused.

Tech Used to Be Bleeding Edge, Now it’s Just BleedingFeb 2, 2024

Ed Zitron argues that tech stopped delivering the future while coverage kept promising it.

Technology's promise has a shelf life, and Ed Zitron wants tech coverage to say so plainly. The episode follows his argument that the visible leaps once attached to iPhones and cloud computing have given way to smaller product cycles, swallowed independent companies, and…

How to Read Leaked Datasets Like a JournalistJan 26, 2024

A grounded look at authenticating leaked records and the surveillance trails investigative work can leave behind.

Cyber makes leaked datasets feel less like a distant online threat and more like a set of reporting problems to solve. Micah Lee, director of information security at The Intercept, talks through Hacks, Leaks, and Revelations with an emphasis on why journalists, researchers,…

What a Novel About an AI Documenting the Last Human Says About Our Real DystopiaJan 19, 2024

An AI narrator, the last human, and climate grief give this Cyber conversation its uneasy charge.

Afterworld turns an AI's assignment to document the last human on Earth into a thoughtful conversation about resistance, surrender, and what may be left after loss becomes ordinary.

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    Dave, Joe, and Maria break down phishing kits, deepfakes, and social-engineering scams weekly.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Big Tech Wants You to Think AI Will Kill Us All

    ·38m
  2. 2

    The End of Vice

    ·1h 7m
  3. 3

    Why Congress's Fears of Russian Space Nukes Is Political Theatre

    ·1h
  4. 4

    AI Deepfakes Are Everywhere and Congress is Completely Out of Their Depth

    ·50m
  5. 5

    Tech Used to Be Bleeding Edge, Now it’s Just Bleeding

    ·1h 8m
  6. 6

    This Is Why America's Trains Keep Crashing

    ·57m
  7. 7

    WTF Is Up With the Silicon Valley Bank Bailout?

    ·43m
  8. 8

    LastPass Isn’t Safe and Your Hiking App May be Tracking You

    ·41m
  9. 9

    The Great Balloon Panic Has Been Weird But Good for Balloon Hobbyists

    ·41m
  10. 10

    How to Read Leaked Datasets Like a Journalist

    ·56m
  11. 11

    What a Novel About an AI Documenting the Last Human Says About Our Real Dystopia

    ·53m
  12. 12

    The Future of Nukes Involves AI and Nobody Knows What Happens Next

    ·1h 2m
  13. 13

    OpenAI’s Make or Break Lawsuit and the Golden Idol of AGI

    ·58m
  14. 14

    The Great American Train Wreck Isn’t Going Away

    ·58m
  15. 15

    The Old Internet Is Dying, and Something Worse Is Being Born

    ·1h 9m
  16. 16

    How Online Fights Affect Real World Battlefields

    ·51m
  17. 17

    You Can’t Automate the Difficult Decisions

    ·20m
  18. 18

    Despite OpenAI Chaos, Wall Street Is Still Betting Big on AI

    ·54m
  19. 19

    What Happens When an Anti-Sex Trafficking Operation Goes Wrong

    ·1h 34m
  20. 20

    Crypto One Year After the Collapse: All My Apes Blinded

    ·1h 4m
  21. 21

    The Landlord Tech Company That Turned Security Deposits Into a Monthly Fee

    ·52m
  22. 22

    The Viral ‘Kia Boys’ Car Theft Trend That’s Going Viral on Instagram

    ·1h 11m
  23. 23

    Space Junk, Nuclear Waste, AI Nukes and the Reason We’re All Still Here

    ·56m
  24. 24

    Cory Doctorow on Why the Internet Broke and How to Fix It

    ·1h 7m
  25. 25

    You Can't Automate Buy-In

    ·18m
  26. 26

    The Real History of the Luddites

    ·47m
  27. 27

    Operation Underground Railroad, Psychic Intelligence, and ‘The Sound of Freedom’

    ·1h 10m
  28. 28

    ‘Extremely Online’ With Taylor Lorenz

    ·2h 2m
  29. 29

    Hot Labor Summer

    ·43m
  30. 30

    Rare Motherboard Lore and a Goodbye to Jason Koebler

    ·1h 18m
  31. 31

    The Viral Science Video That Will Save the World or Do Nothing At All

    ·56m
  32. 32

    The Barbenheimer Special

    ·2h 1m
  33. 33

    Adam Conover On the Hollywood Strike

    ·43m
  34. 34

    The False Claims Behind an Anti-Trafficking Group’s Hollywood Moment

    ·46m
  35. 35

    Celebrating the End of the Usable Internet

    ·41m
  36. 36

    The Increasingly Violent Discord Servers Where Kids Flaunt Their Crimes

    ·34m
  37. 37

    VICE is back with a new podcast

    ·34m
  38. 38

    The DHS Is Reading Travelers' Posts at the Border

    ·37m
  39. 39

    AI Can Read Your Dreams and Collect Your Debts. What’s Next?

    ·37m
  40. 40

    CYBER: Crime and Crypto with Cory Doctorow

    ·39m
  41. 41

    CYBER: Inside the Italian Mafia’s Encrypted Phone of Choice

    ·34m
  42. 42

    Apple II and How the Computer Became Personal

    ·58m
  43. 43

    Wondery Presents - Flipping The Bird: Elon vs Twitter

    ·5m
  44. 44

    Thieves are Stealing Cars Using Old Nokia Phones

    ·33m
  45. 45

    Someone Is Selling Computer Generated Swatting Services

    ·32m
  46. 46

    What We Know about the Pentagon Leaks

    ·38m
  47. 47

    Uber's April Fools Glitch

    ·49m
  48. 48

    How Russia Uses Facial Recognition to Stop Protestors

    ·36m
  49. 49

    What’s Driving the AI Hype?

    ·31m
  50. 50

    The DEA Is Skipping Warrants and Buying Data from Rogue Employees

    ·34m
  51. 51

    Why Does Congress Want to Ban TikTok?

    ·45m
  52. 52

    Scalpers Are Selling Whole Ticketmaster Accounts Now

    ·51m
  53. 53

    You're going to love The Hustle Daily Show

    ·32m
  54. 54

    How Tubgirl Became a TikTok Sensation

    ·50m
  55. 55

    We Broke Into a Bank Account With an AI-Generated Voice

    ·34m
  56. 56

    Voice Generating-AI Is Now the Plaything of 4Chan

    ·39m
  57. 57

    Iran’s AI-Powered Surveillance State

    ·45m
  58. 58

    What Was Havana Syndrome, the Mystery Illness that Hit American Spies?

    ·49m
  59. 59

    The Nextdoor Poster to Political Activist Pipeline

    ·59m
  60. 60

    Replika, the AI Chatbot Users Say Is Sexually Harassing Them

    ·43m
  61. 61

    The Government Isn’t Coming for Your Gas Stoves

    ·40m
  62. 62

    Hacking Digital License Plates

    ·36m
  63. 63

    The Trans Dataset Built Without Permission and Stored Improperly

    ·40m
  64. 64

    Cops and Courts Don’t Know How to Handle Apple’s AirTag Stalking Problem

    ·36m
  65. 65

    The Invisible Workforce that Makes AI Possible

    ·31m
  66. 66

    The Online Prophet Whose Followers Keep Getting Arrested

    ·1h
  67. 67

    Railroad Strikes and Killer Robots

    ·53m
  68. 68

    The Rise of the Robot Landlords

    ·36m
  69. 69

    Taking Elon Musk Seriously

    ·50m
  70. 70

    Why ‘Community Feedback’ Doesn’t Work

    ·49m
  71. 71

    Who Is Sam Bankman-Fried, the ‘Savior’ Who Crashed FTX?

    ·42m
  72. 72

    How Sex Changed the Internet

    ·49m
  73. 73

    Social Media Is Dead

    ·47m
  74. 74

    Why Concert Tickets Are So Expensive

    ·41m
  75. 75

    Watching Facebook Burn

    ·48m
  76. 76

    The Killer Robot Future Is Already Here

    ·42m
  77. 77

    A History of ‘American Terror’

    ·46m
  78. 78

    When the Video Game Reaches Out to Ask You to Spend More Money

    ·33m
  79. 79

    Nuclear War 101

    ·49m
  80. 80

    Inflection Is the Background Check Company Making Decisions for Uber and Airbnb

    ·32m
  81. 81

    How Corporations and Governments Use Games to Control Us

    ·43m
  82. 82

    How To Protect Yourself From Social Engineering Hacks

    ·30m
  83. 83

    The Chess Scandal Involving Butt Plugs, AI, and Accusations of Cheating

    ·38m
  84. 84

    AI Art is Powered by ISIS Executions and Non-Consenual Porn

    ·30m
  85. 85

    Inside the Tool the US Military Is Using to Monitor Emails and Web Traffic

    ·45m
  86. 86

    Uber’s Been Hacked and Sim Swappers Are Getting Violent

    ·32m
  87. 87

    Our Latest UFO Obsession and the Chess Scandal Heard Round the World

    ·46m
  88. 88

    CYBER LIVE: Living in a Dystopia, We're All Luddites, Taking Life Back From Corporations (feat. Cory Doctorow)

    ·56m
  89. 89

    Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires

    ·1h 1m
  90. 90

    The Hypercane and Other Looming Climate Disasters

    ·52m
  91. 91

    A Nuclear War Would Starve the Planet

    ·51m
  92. 92

    A Hopeful Future Where Drones Become Farmers

    ·42m
  93. 93

    A Dystopia Where AI Runs U.S. Healthcare and Asks Patients to Die

    ·48m
  94. 94

    Suing Spam Texters for Fun and Profit

    ·32m
  95. 95

    Listen to a Story from Motherboard’s First Ever Short Story Collection

    ·45m
  96. 96

    What the ‘Roblox’ Hack Revealed About Chinese Censorship and U.S. Content Moderation

    ·32m
  97. 97

    Space Junk, Taiwan, and War at a Nuclear Power Plant

    ·39m
  98. 98

    The Jason Koebler Exit Interview, Part Two

    Host Matthew Gault and Emily discuss a controversy involving Motherboard and director Neil Blomkamp, tied to the Gran Turismo movie.

    ·1h 10m
  99. 99

    What's the Deal With AI Seinfeld?

    Host Matthew Gault discusses the AI-generated Twitch show 'Nothing Forever' that was banned for a transphobic joke, exploring the promises and pitfalls of AI in content creation.

    ·51m
  100. 100

    One Man’s Obsession With Being 18 Forever

    Host Matthew Gault interviews Motherboard senior editor Maxwell Strawn about tech CEO Brian Johnson's extreme biohacking regimen for longevity.

    ·37m
  101. 101

    VICE is back with a new podcast

    Kala, aka TikTok Tunnel Girl, says her tunnel runs about 80 feet and sits around 33 feet below grade after starting in August 2022.

    Mar 30, 2026·34m·2 clips
  102. 102

    The End of Vice

    Feb 23, 2024·1h 7m
  103. 103

    Why Congress's Fears of Russian Space Nukes Is Political Theatre

    Hidden gem

    ["Tim Marchman traces pro wrestling from carnival bets, 'marks,' and territory cartels to Vince McMahon's national expansion after the World Wildlife Fund trademark fight.", "The first half centers on Janelle Grant's lawsuit against McMahon, John Laurinaitis, and WWE, including a claimed $3 million NDA and allegations of coercion inside company offices.", "Marchman also revisits Ashley Massaro's 2017 affidavit, her 2006 Kuwait allegation, and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service inquiry that opened after her 2019 suicide.", "After the break, Emily and Tim turn to a Republican from Ohio's warning about a 'pressing threat' tied to Russian space nukes, then unpack the scramble over what he was referencing."]

    Feb 16, 2024·1h·4 clips
  104. 104

    AI Deepfakes Are Everywhere and Congress is Completely Out of Their Depth

    Hidden gem

    Taylor Swift deepfake nudes and an AI-generated Biden robocall in New Hampshire frame CYBER's look at synthetic media legislation.

    Feb 9, 2024·50m·3 clips
  105. 105

    Tech Used to Be Bleeding Edge, Now it’s Just Bleeding

    Hidden gem

    Ed Zitron, who runs Easy PR and writes Where's Your Red Hat, says Better Offline will be a weekly tech show built around opinion journalism because too many interviews leave listeners knowing less.

    Feb 2, 2024·1h 8m·4 clips
  106. 106

    How to Read Leaked Datasets Like a Journalist

    Hidden gem

    CYBER's interview with Micah Lee centers on how to read leaked datasets for journalism, research, and activism.

    Jan 26, 2024·56m·5 clips
  107. 107

    What a Novel About an AI Documenting the Last Human Says About Our Real Dystopia

    Hidden gem

    Cyber interviews Debbie Urbanski about Afterworld, a novel narrated by Story Worker, an AI documenting Senanon as the last human on Earth.

    Jan 19, 2024·53m·3 clips
  108. 108

    The Future of Nukes Involves AI and Nobody Knows What Happens Next

    Hidden gem

    CYBER host Emily interviews Edward Geist, a RAND Corporation policy researcher and author of Deterrence Under Uncertainty, about AI applications in nuclear warfare.

    Jan 12, 2024·1h 2m·5 clips
  109. 109

    OpenAI’s Make or Break Lawsuit and the Golden Idol of AGI

    Hidden gem

    CYBER's Sharon Goldman explains why The New York Times lawsuit against OpenAI and Microsoft could reshape how copyrighted data trains large language models.

    Jan 5, 2024·58m·3 clips
  110. 110

    The Great American Train Wreck Isn’t Going Away

    Dec 20, 2023·58m
  111. 111

    The Old Internet Is Dying, and Something Worse Is Being Born

    Dec 13, 2023·1h 9m
  112. 112

    How Online Fights Affect Real World Battlefields

    Dec 1, 2023·51m
  113. 113

    You Can’t Automate the Difficult Decisions

    Nov 27, 2023·20m
  114. 114

    Despite OpenAI Chaos, Wall Street Is Still Betting Big on AI

    Nov 22, 2023·54m
  115. 115

    What Happens When an Anti-Sex Trafficking Operation Goes Wrong

    Nov 20, 2023·1h 34m
  116. 116

    Crypto One Year After the Collapse: All My Apes Blinded

    Nov 10, 2023·1h 4m
  117. 117

    The Landlord Tech Company That Turned Security Deposits Into a Monthly Fee

    Oct 31, 2023·52m
  118. 118

    The Viral ‘Kia Boys’ Car Theft Trend That’s Going Viral on Instagram

    Oct 20, 2023·1h 11m
  119. 119

    Space Junk, Nuclear Waste, AI Nukes and the Reason We’re All Still Here

    Oct 10, 2023·56m
  120. 120

    Cory Doctorow on Why the Internet Broke and How to Fix It

    Oct 4, 2023·1h 7m
  121. 121

    You Can't Automate Buy-In

    Oct 2, 2023·18m
  122. 122

    The Real History of the Luddites

    Sep 29, 2023·47m
  123. 123

    Operation Underground Railroad, Psychic Intelligence, and ‘The Sound of Freedom’

    Sep 25, 2023·1h 10m
  124. 124

    ‘Extremely Online’ With Taylor Lorenz

    Sep 15, 2023·2h 2m
  125. 125

    Hot Labor Summer

    Sep 5, 2023·43m
  126. 126

    The Jason Koebler Exit Interview, Part Two

    Host Matthew Gault and reporter Emily discuss a past controversy involving Motherboard and director Neil Blomkamp over a Gran Turismo movie.

    Aug 25, 2023·1h 10m
  127. 127

    Rare Motherboard Lore and a Goodbye to Jason Koebler

    Aug 18, 2023·1h 18m
  128. 128

    The Viral Science Video That Will Save the World or Do Nothing At All

    Aug 4, 2023·56m
  129. 129

    The Barbenheimer Special

    Jul 28, 2023·2h 1m
  130. 130

    Adam Conover On the Hollywood Strike

    Jul 24, 2023·43m
  131. 131

    The False Claims Behind an Anti-Trafficking Group’s Hollywood Moment

    Jul 14, 2023·46m
  132. 132

    Celebrating the End of the Usable Internet

    Jul 7, 2023·41m
  133. 133

    The Increasingly Violent Discord Servers Where Kids Flaunt Their Crimes

    Jun 23, 2023·34m
  134. 134

    Big Tech Wants You to Think AI Will Kill Us All

    Jun 16, 2023·38m
  135. 135

    The DHS Is Reading Travelers' Posts at the Border

    Jun 2, 2023·37m
  136. 136

    AI Can Read Your Dreams and Collect Your Debts. What’s Next?

    May 26, 2023·37m
  137. 137

    CYBER: Crime and Crypto with Cory Doctorow

    Host Matthew Gault interviews author Cory Doctorow about his new crypto crime novel Red Team Blues.

    May 19, 2023·39m
  138. 138

    CYBER: Inside the Italian Mafia’s Encrypted Phone of Choice

    May 11, 2023·34m
  139. 139

    Apple II and How the Computer Became Personal

    May 4, 2023·58m
  140. 140

    Wondery Presents - Flipping The Bird: Elon vs Twitter

    May 3, 2023·5m
  141. 141

    Thieves are Stealing Cars Using Old Nokia Phones

    Apr 20, 2023·33m
  142. 142

    Someone Is Selling Computer Generated Swatting Services

    Apr 14, 2023·32m
  143. 143

    What We Know about the Pentagon Leaks

    Apr 11, 2023·38m
  144. 144

    Uber's April Fools Glitch

    Apr 7, 2023·49m
  145. 145

    How Russia Uses Facial Recognition to Stop Protestors

    Apr 6, 2023·36m
  146. 146

    What’s Driving the AI Hype?

    Mar 31, 2023·31m
  147. 147

    The DEA Is Skipping Warrants and Buying Data from Rogue Employees

    Mar 29, 2023·34m
  148. 148

    Why Does Congress Want to Ban TikTok?

    Mar 24, 2023·45m
  149. 149

    Scalpers Are Selling Whole Ticketmaster Accounts Now

    Mar 23, 2023·51m
  150. 150

    You're going to love The Hustle Daily Show

    Mar 17, 2023·32m