CleanLaw

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Environmental policy, explained through legal machinery.

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CleanLaw follows the machinery behind environmental and energy decisions. Its episodes turn statutes, agency proceedings, court rulings, and state programs into structured conversations about what government power can actually do.

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CleanLaw is an interview-driven legal and policy show focused on the systems that govern environmental protection, climate action, and energy transition. It moves deliberately. Rather than treating public policy as a contest of slogans, the show asks how statutes work, which agencies have authority, where courts enter the picture, and what happens when a procedural step is skipped or stretched. Recent episodes have examined an unusual national security exemption under the Endangered Species Act, the legal consequences of U.S. withdrawal from the UNFCCC, and the regulatory mechanics behind electric and gas utilities. The show also spends real time on state-level implementation. Maine’s heat pump programs, Oregon’s clean fuel standards, cumulative impacts analysis in permitting, and interstate ozone rules all appear as concrete examples of law meeting infrastructure, budgets, health, and political constraint. CleanLaw’s pace is measured, but it is not abstract. A question about a treaty resolution can become a discussion of future climate policy. A question about transmission planning can become a look at regional coordination, utility incentives, and consumer costs. A question about fuel standards can turn into credit markets, biodiesel blends, electric vehicles, and program design. The interviews often feature people with direct experience inside the relevant systems. Their explanations tend to be long, structured, and careful. That is the point. CleanLaw gives procedural detail enough room to become intelligible. It defines terms, marks timelines, and distinguishes legal authority from policy preference. The result is useful for listeners who already care about climate and environmental issues but want a firmer grasp of the governing machinery. It is especially good at showing how federal and state action interact. Courts, agencies, utilities, international agreements, and public health programs are treated as connected parts of the same policy field. The show can be technical. It assumes patience. In return, it offers a grounded view of how environmental and energy law is made, challenged, defended, and revised.

Made for: For policy professionals, lawyers, students, advocates, journalists, and climate-curious listeners who want procedural clarity behind environmental and energy decisions. It suits audiences comfortable with statutes, agencies, litigation, and regulatory design.

What sets it apart: CleanLaw stands out by staying close to legal authority and implementation detail. It turns complex environmental and energy disputes into careful, source-grounded conversations about process, power, and consequence.

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The Harvard Law School Environmental & Energy Law Program influences policy discussions about environmental, climate, and energy issues. EELP offers robust legal analysis and practical governance solutions that will move these discussions forward.

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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

CleanLaw makes environmental government legible by tracing how statutes, agencies, courts, and regulated industries shape policy in practice.

CleanLaw turns environmental governance into a close study of authority, procedure, and institutional consequence. Conversations led by Jody Freeman, Erica Kranz, Hannah Oaks, and other members of Harvard Law School's Environmental and Energy Law Program pair legal practitioners…

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The Senate's old yes may outlive a climate exit; you get to hear lawyers test that premise.

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  • to hear Jody Freeman and Sue Biniaz test whether Senate approval survives withdrawal
  • the legal reasoning behind a national security exemption for Gulf oil and gas activity
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EP113—The "God Squad's" Unprecedented Endangered Species Act National Security ExemptionApr 9, 2026

A rare procedural deep dive into an extraordinary Endangered Species Act maneuver.

This episode treats a hard legal edge case as an institutional problem: how a never-before-used national security exemption was used to exempt oil and gas exploration and development in the Gulf of Mexico from Endangered Species Act compliance.

EP112—Legal Implications of the US Withdrawal from the UNFCCCJan 26, 2026

A careful look at withdrawal, reentry, and the legal cost of treating climate commitments as temporary.

Clean Law takes up the recent U.S. announcement to withdraw from the UNFCCC and, with Jody Freeman and Sue Biniaz, follows the legal stakes from there: the convention's role, the domestic and international meaning of leaving, and what the earlier withdrawal from the Paris…

Ep 79: The Good Neighbor Plan for Interstate Ozone Pollution with Carrie Jenks and Hannah DobieApr 6, 2023

A careful look at the legal and technical machinery behind interstate ozone control.

CleanLaw frames EPA's Good Neighbor Plan as a clear look at how interstate ozone control works, from the acronyms to the timing rules and the limits on what EPA can require from upwind states and power plants.

Ep 74—Oregon's Clean Fuel Standards with Abby Husselbee and Cory-Ann Wind. Album: CleanLawNov 17, 2022

A clear look at Oregon's Clean Fuels Program as a regulatory system, not just a surcharge.

This segment treats Oregon's Clean Fuels Program as a working regulatory framework, with credits, compliance duties, and the economics of transportation fuels kept in clear view.

73—Current Challenges and Opportunities for Electric Transmission, with Ari Peskoe and Hannah OakesOct 31, 2022

Transmission policy, not just generation, is where regulation decides what the grid can do.

Clean Law looks at electric transmission as a legal and engineering problem at the same time. Hannah Oaks and Ari Peskoe talk through current disputes over transmission law, including FERC Order 1000, regional planning, and interregional connections.

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    EP113—The "God Squad's" Unprecedented Endangered Species Act National Security Exemption

    Hidden gem

    Erica Kranz talks with Andy Mergen about a recent decision to exempt oil and gas exploration and development in the Gulf of Mexico from the Endangered Species Act.

    Apr 9, 2026·43m·2 clips
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    EP112—Legal Implications of the US Withdrawal from the UNFCCC

    Hidden gem

    Jody Freeman speaks with Sue Biniaz about the United States' announced withdrawal from the UNFCCC.

    Jan 26, 2026·51m·3 clips
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    EP111—Behind the Curtain of the Clean Utility Transition

    Hidden gem

    Jamie Van Nostren says Massachusetts gas bills flipped from roughly 70% commodity costs to 70% delivery costs as utilities invested in pipe replacement.

    Nov 20, 2025·40m·2 clips
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    EP110—How Maine Became a Heat Pump Leader

    Maine passed 150,000 heat-pump installations after Efficiency Maine shifted from single-room units toward whole-home primary heating.

    Nov 5, 2025·55m·2 clips
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    EP109—Cumulative Impacts and the ‘Holy Grail’ of EJ Policy

    Charles Lee traces cumulative impacts to environmental justice’s focus on communities’ lived experience and cites EPA’s advisory council raising the issue in 1993.

    Oct 17, 2025·50m·2 clips
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    Ep108—What Science and the Law Say about EPA’s Authority to Regulate GHGs

    Aug 18, 2025·53m
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    Ep107—Trump's Move to Kill the Clean Air Act's Climate Authority, Forever

    Aug 6, 2025·1h 6m
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    EP106—Bipartisan Reflections on EPA’s Past, Present, and Future (Part II)

    Jul 31, 2025·57m
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    EP105—Bipartisan Reflections on EPA’s Past, Present, and Future (Part I)

    Jul 29, 2025·51m
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    EP104—Breaking Down Recent Changes to NEPA from Agencies, Congress, and the Courts

    Jul 15, 2025·45m
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    EP103—The Future of Environmental Justice with MA AG Andrea Campbell and Vernice Miller-Travis

    May 13, 2025·53m
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    Ep102—Unpacking the White House’s Legal Strategy for Attacking Environmental Protection

    Apr 30, 2025·54m
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    Ep 101—Who Will Pay for Data Centers’ Massive Power Bills? It’s Probably You.

    Mar 23, 2025·37m
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    Ep 100—Trump’s Bold Reversal on Energy and Climate Policy: ‘It’s a Lot’

    Feb 13, 2025·59m
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    Ep 99—Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part II: Environmental Justice Lawyering in Practice

    Dec 2, 2024·42m
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    Ep 98—60 Years of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, Part 1: LA v EPA

    Oct 25, 2024·40m
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    Monumental Decisions: The Antiquities Act and Presidential Authority

    Aug 22, 2024·45m
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    Ep 96—Suite of Supreme Court Decisions Undermine Administrative Law

    Jul 12, 2024·59m
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    Ep 95—The Road to Clean Cars and Clean Air: California's Pivotal Role

    Jun 13, 2024·53m
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    Ep 94—FERC’s New Approach to Improving Transmission Investment, Order No. 1920

    Jun 11, 2024·59m
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    Ep 93 — Wicked Resilient: Climate Adaptation in Massachusetts

    May 13, 2024·54m
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    Ep 92 — The Endangered Species Act at 50: Potent Statute, Risky Future

    Jan 17, 2024·46m
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    Ep 91—Global and US Methane Initiatives

    Dec 28, 2023·1h 1m
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    Ep 90—Replacing the Utility Transmission Syndicate’s Control, Ari Peskoe & Hannah Dobie

    Nov 1, 2023·48m
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    Ep 89—3 lawsuits on auto emissions, 1 UAW strike, and the EV transition

    Oct 17, 2023·57m
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    Ep 88: Loper Bright and the fate of Chevron with Jody Freeman and Andy Mergen

    Aug 23, 2023·1h 5m
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    Ep 87: Charleston: Race, Water, and the Coming Storm

    Jun 26, 2023·48m
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    Ep. 86: Sackett v. EPA Decision — What the Justices Said and What this Means for Water

    Jun 21, 2023·1h 3m
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    Ep 85: Quick Take — The Debt Ceiling Bill and NEPA Permitting Reform

    Jun 8, 2023·20m
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    Ep 84: Quick Take — Good News for Clean Energy from the Supreme Court w/ Ari Peskoe and Carrie Jenks

    Jun 7, 2023·21m
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    Ep 83: EPA's Proposed Power Sector Rules w/ Jody Freeman, Jay Duffy, Kevin Poloncarz, Carrie Jenks

    May 23, 2023·1h 7m
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    Ep 82: Equitable Disaster Insurance & Climate Change w/Hannah Perls, Carolyn Kousky, & Sean Hecht

    May 5, 2023·47m
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    Ep 81: Journey to the Electrification of the Transportation Sector w/Jody Freeman and Chet France

    Apr 22, 2023·59m
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    Ep 80: The Making of Environmental Law with Richard Lazarus and Carrie Jenks

    Apr 10, 2023·22m
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    Ep 79: The Good Neighbor Plan for Interstate Ozone Pollution with Carrie Jenks and Hannah Dobie

    Hidden gem

    Carrie Jenks and Hannah Oaks-Dobie walk through EPA's Good Neighbor Plan.

    Apr 6, 2023·21m·1 clip
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    Ep 78—Quick Take: Legal issues from the East Palestine Train Derailment

    Mar 7, 2023·9m
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    Ep 77—Quick Take: The Dakota Access Pipeline with Hannah Perls and Carrie Jenks

    Feb 15, 2023·9m
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    Ep 76—BSEE’s Proposed Offshore Oil Drilling Safety Regulations with Lowry Yankwich and Chris Eaton

    Jan 30, 2023·34m
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    Ep 75—EPA’s Methane Regulations with Carrie Jenks, Kyle Danish, and Dan Zimmerle

    Jan 5, 2023·33m
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    Ep 74—Oregon's Clean Fuel Standards with Abby Husselbee and Cory-Ann Wind. Album: CleanLaw

    Hidden gem

    Abbey Hussleby speaks with Corianne Wind about Oregon's clean fuels program.

    Nov 17, 2022·35m·2 clips
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    73—Current Challenges and Opportunities for Electric Transmission, with Ari Peskoe and Hannah Oakes

    Clean Law centers on electricity transmission and the legal machinery behind it.

    Oct 31, 2022·36m·2 clips
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    72-Legislating Environmental Justice in New York with Prof. Rebecca Bratspies and Hannah Perls

    Oct 6, 2022·45m
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    71-Corporate Net Zero Committments: GE’s Roger Martella speaks with Lowry Yankwich

    Laura Yankwich interviews GE's Chief Sustainability Officer Roger Martella about the company's net zero commitments and sustainability strategies across aviation, healthcare, and energy sectors.

    Sep 15, 2022·43m
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    70-IRA and its Clean Energy Implications with Jody Freeman and Greg Dotson

    Aug 25, 2022·53m
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    69-WV v. EPA Pt 2: Implications for Regulating the Power Sector J. Freeman, K. Poloncarz, & J. Duffy

    Jul 26, 2022·44m
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    68-WV v EPA Pt 1: Breaking Down the Court’s Opinion: Jody Freeman, Richard Lazarus, and Carrie Jenks

    Jul 25, 2022·51m
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    67-Power Plant Greenhouse Gas Emissions and West Virginia v. EPA, What's Next? Freeman and Lazarus

    Mar 31, 2022·57m
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    66-Fixing the National Flood Insurance Program with Joel Scata and Hannah Perls

    Feb 14, 2022·40m
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    65—Clean Car Rules with Jody Freeman and Chet France

    Jan 28, 2022·1h
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    64—South Fork Wind Farm and Fisheries Management with Lowry Yankwich and Doug Christel

    A discussion about the South Fork Wind Project's approval and its impacts on fisheries, featuring NOAA policy analyst Doug Christel.

    Jan 5, 2022·53m