Circling The Drain

John E. Bozeman & Jay Harper

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Radio people, Nashville stories, business scars.

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Circling The Drain gathers radio and music people around the table for loose, funny, sometimes cranky conversations about where the business has been and where it may be headed. The show moves from Nashville memories and artist stories to AI, syndication, podcasting, corporate radio, faith, fame, and the shrinking space for live local voices.

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About Circling The Drain

Circling The Drain is a talky, insider-driven show about radio, music, Nashville, and the entertainment business as seen by people who remember how the room used to sound. It is not polished in the corporate sense. That is part of the appeal. John E. Bozeman, Jay Harper, and Jim McCarthy let conversations start with banter, side comments, missing cohosts, sports assignments, sponsor reads, and old names that send everyone down another hallway. Then the sharper material arrives. Corporate radio gets criticized for replacing craft with scale, consultants, debt, syndication, and managers who may not understand what happens on air. The hosts worry about live DJs, local stations, and the people wondering whether their key card will still work. They also talk about podcasting as a place where personality, length, and story can still matter. Some episodes are loose industry roundtables. Others bring in music people with resumes and personal stories, including Zoro, Scott Southworth, Sandy Gennaro, and Ron Allen. Those guest conversations often turn from career history into faith, ambition, discipline, disappointment, and the strange emotional math of fame. The show is comfortable with Nashville shorthand. It assumes that radio people, artist reps, sales teams, station clusters, old call letters, and backstage encounters are worth remembering. At the same time, it is not just nostalgia. There is a running argument underneath the jokes: entertainment keeps changing, but human connection, taste, training, respect, and personality still separate the good stuff from the disposable stuff. The tone can be warm one minute and dry the next. Celebrity pedestal worship, awards-show politics, expensive moviegoing, social media performance, and streaming all become fair game. The hosts rarely sound like they are delivering a finished thesis. They circle it through stories, corrections, interruptions, and laughter. That gives the show its texture: three radio people keeping the old conversations alive while asking what, if anything, survives the next format change.

Made for: For listeners who like music-business history, radio culture, Nashville personalities, and long-form conversations that sound more like a back-room hang than a formal interview.

What sets it apart: Its edge comes from radio experience: the show talks about consultants, station ownership, on-air talent, podcasting, and music careers with the shorthand and skepticism of people who have worked inside the machinery.

In their own words

Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general! Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer. John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine. Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records. Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has...

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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Veteran radio voices turn industry upheaval into candid shop talk about programming, careers, digital change, and the people caught inside it.

Circling The Drain treats the music business as a working life, with John E. Bozeman, Jay Harper, and Jim McCarthy trading stories, industry opinions, and affectionate needling.

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Seven HD subchannels, no content: your kind of radio absurdity if the dial still matters to you.

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  • to hear how a station's digital ambitions can outrun its actual programming
  • to sit in on radio people worrying about pink slips and the fading live DJ
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Tributes, Cancelled Careers, And Nashville War Stories :: Ep 34 Circling the DrainApr 15, 2026

A loose, insider radio conversation that mixes Simmons, the Oscars, country-radio changes, and industry memory.

This Circling the Drain episode keeps a conversational, back-and-forth rhythm as John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper move through music and entertainment, Gene Simmons telling actors to shut up and do their art, and the Oscars shifting to a live-streamed format in 2028.

Zoro: From Janitor to World‑Class Drummer and Minister of Groove :: Ep 33 Circling the DrainApr 8, 2026

Fame, faith, and age are treated as questions about what lasts.

Circling the Drain spends most of its time on the gap between getting attention and still feeling empty. It moves through celebrity culture, then into Christian language, with the guest treating money and notoriety as useful only if they point people toward God.

Today’s State of Radio: Losing the Industry, Finding the Podcast :: Ep 32 Circling the Drain PodcastApr 1, 2026

A loose radio conversation about respect, shifting stardom, and the odd gap between hearing people and meeting them.

The episode settles into a loose talk about radio and the people who keep it running. Its sharpest idea is the four part standard for a good station: money, opportunity, training, and respect.

Ron Allen on Nashville Radio, Jack FM, and What’s Next :: Ep 29 Circling the Drain PodcastMar 11, 2026

A sponsor intro turns into a blunt tour of radio's digital detours.

Circling the Drain opens with David Crabtree of Crabtree Benefits, setting out employee benefits and the appeal of helping business owners stay out of the weeds.

Podcasts vs Radio, Nashville Stories, and the New Media Gold Rush :: Ep 25 Circling the Drain PodcastFeb 11, 2026

A loose, radio-minded conversation about podcast length, theater prices, and why crowd reaction still matters.

Circling the Drain starts with a familiar producer question: how long should a podcast run, and when does it make sense to take an exit ramp? John E.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Karen Staley: Reba, Faith Hill & the Stories Behind the Hits :: Ep 53 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Aug 26, 2026·1h 22m
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    Devon O’Day on Gerry House, Radio Glory Days & Starting Over :: Ep 52 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Aug 19, 2026·1h 12m
  3. 3

    Radio Isn’t Dying… It’s Being Killed | Circling the Drain Ep. 51

    Aug 12, 2026·51m
  4. 4

    From Prison Guard to Country Star & Coffee King w/Craig Campbell :: Ep 50 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Aug 5, 2026·1h 16m
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    Jesse & Noah Bellamy: Sunshine Shop, Sibling Harmony and Keeping Country Real :: Ep 49 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jul 29, 2026·1h 11m
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    Nashville Politics, Nantucket Sharks and Comedy Wars w/Adam Dread :: Ep 48 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jul 22, 2026·1h 14m
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    The Real Lives of David Allan Coe’s Daughters – Tanya Montana & Shelli Coe :: Ep 47 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jul 15, 2026·1h 5m
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    Politics, Pop Culture, and the Death of Fun :: Ep 46 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jul 8, 2026·1h 11m
  9. 9

    Trace Adkins on Nashville’s Boom, Real Country, and Rowdy Road Stories :: Ep 45 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jul 1, 2026·50m
  10. 10

    Hit Songs, Phil Valentine Memories, Trump Stories & “Arlington” w/Trace Adkins Pt. 2 :: Ep 44 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jun 24, 2026·57m
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    Trace Adkins: Near-Death Stories, Oil Rigs, And 30 Years In Country Music :: Ep 43 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jun 17, 2026·1h
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    Life on the Road with David Allan Coe: Outlaws, Wigs, Boats and Blues :: Ep 42 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jun 10, 2026·1h 20m
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    From Receptionist to Record Exec: The Sheila Shipley Biddy Story :: Ep 41 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jun 3, 2026·1h 17m
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    Chris Golden on Oak Ridge Boys Legacy, Presidents, Elvis, and 478,000 Miles :: Ep 40 Circling the Drain Podcast

    May 27, 2026·1h 18m
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    Larry Stewart of Restless Heart: The Frontmen, 80s/90s Country, AI & The Future Of Music :: Ep 39 Circling the Drain Podcast

    May 20, 2026·57m
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    Californians, Old Nashville, and the Death of Class :: Ep 38 Circling The Drain Podcast

    May 13, 2026·50m
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    Is AI Killing Real Music? Jared Rogers & John Berry on Faith, Vinyl, Streaming and the New Nashville :: Ep 37 Circling the Drain Podcast

    May 6, 2026·1h 21m
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    Dan Mandis: From Dr. Laura To Marconi Winner & The Future Of Talk Radio :: Ep 36 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Apr 29, 2026·1h 29m
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    Dez Dickerson on Prince, Hendrix, Faith, Talk Radio and Modern Rock :: Ep 35 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Apr 22, 2026·1h 6m
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    Tributes, Cancelled Careers, And Nashville War Stories :: Ep 34 Circling the Drain

    Hidden gem

    John E.

    Apr 15, 2026·48m·3 clips
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    Zoro: From Janitor to World‑Class Drummer and Minister of Groove :: Ep 33 Circling the Drain

    Hidden gem

    The episode opens by asking what fame is actually worth.

    Apr 8, 2026·1h 26m·5 clips
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    Today’s State of Radio: Losing the Industry, Finding the Podcast :: Ep 32 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Hidden gem

    Johnny Bozeman opens by insisting the talk with James was not a bitch fest, then notes that Jay Harper is out announcing a baseball game.

    Apr 1, 2026·55m·5 clips
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    From Radio Row to Honky Tonk Hero: Scott Southworth on Music, Faith, and Finding Your Lane :: Ep 31 Circling the Drain Podcast

    This episode features an interview with Scott Southworth discussing his journey in music and entertainment, blending themes of faith and career.

    Mar 25, 2026·1h 5m
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    Beat the Odds: Rock Drummer Sandy Gennaro on The Beatles, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & Life Lessons :: Ep 30 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Rock drummer Sandy Gennaro shares his journey from being inspired by seeing a band perform to visualizing and pursuing a career playing for large audiences, with mentions of working with artists like The Beatles, Cyndi Lauper, and Joan Jett.

    Mar 18, 2026·1h 4m
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    Ron Allen on Nashville Radio, Jack FM, and What’s Next :: Ep 29 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Hidden gem

    Johnny opens with David Crabtree of Crabtree Benefits.

    Mar 11, 2026·1h 2m·2 clips
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    Hauntings in Nashville: Hank Williams’ House, Ghost Cats, and Messages from Beyond :: Ep 28 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Hidden gem

    Circling The Drain brings Johnny B, Jay Harper, and Jim McCarthy into a conversation about hauntings connected to Nashville, country music, historic homes, and personal experiences.

    Mar 4, 2026·1h 5m·4 clips
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    Bennie Shipley: From Small-Town Radio to Country Music Legends :: Ep 27 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Feb 25, 2026·58m
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    Radio Sales Gone Wild, Groupies, and Legendary Local Ads :: Ep 26 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Feb 18, 2026·43m
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    Podcasts vs Radio, Nashville Stories, and the New Media Gold Rush :: Ep 25 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Hidden gem

    The talk starts with podcasts.

    Feb 11, 2026·1h 7m·5 clips
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    Ice Storms, Airwaves And Radio Wars :: Ep 24 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Feb 4, 2026·1h 2m
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    Divorce, Nashville, and “Now What?” w/Brenda Golden :: Ep 23 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Jan 28, 2026·45m
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    Bill Cuomo: From “Bette Davis Eyes” to Barbra, Skynyrd & Studio War Stories :: Ep 22 Circling the Drain

    Jan 21, 2026·1h 39m
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    Backstage Legends: From Glen Campbell to Trump’s Plane :: Ep 21 Circling the Drain

    Jan 14, 2026·57m
  34. 34

    Deborah Allen: From “Baby I Lied” to Elvis’ Bus and Back Again :: Ep 20 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Jan 7, 2026·1h 3m
  35. 35

    Shannon McCombs On Nashville Radio, Rock To Country, And Industry War Stories :: Ep 19 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Dec 31, 2025·1h 4m
  36. 36

    Our Dads, Music, and Memories :: Ep 18 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Dec 24, 2025·1h 10m
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    Gene Simmons, Radio Royalties & The AI Artist Future :: Ep 17 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Dec 17, 2025·1h
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    The Problem with Corporate Radio and Consultants - Stories from the Inside :: Ep 16 Circling The Drain Podcast

    This episode discusses the issues with corporate radio and consultants, featuring insights from insiders about management failures and the disconnect between executives and on-air talent.

    Dec 10, 2025·46m
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    Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: A Hall of Confusion :: Ep 15 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Dec 3, 2025·57m
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    Thanksgiving & Holiday Rewinds: Movies, Music, and Memories :: Ep 14 Circling The Drain

    Nov 26, 2025·48m
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    The Matt Murphy Radio Journey - From Small-Town Radio to Saving Lives On Air :: Ep 13 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Nov 19, 2025·1h 16m
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    Circling the Drain Ep 12: Regie Hamm - From Family Band to American Idol Glory

    Nov 12, 2025·1h 14m
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    Wade Hayes: Surviving, Strumming, and Staying True to Country Roots :: Ep 11 Circling The Drain

    Nov 5, 2025·42m
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    Radio Rage: Meltdowns, Mishaps, and Mayhem Behind the Mic :: Ep 10 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Oct 29, 2025·46m
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    Artists Who Should Have Made It Big :: Ep 9 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Oct 22, 2025·57m
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    Band Dynamics: When Members Change, Does the Music Stay the Same? :: Ep 8 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Oct 15, 2025·52m
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    Backstage Blunders and Celebrity Encounters: Embarrassing Moments in Entertainment :: Ep 7 Circling the Drain Podcast

    Oct 8, 2025·1h 6m
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    The Ride: Gary Gentry's Musical Journey Through Country Legends :: Ep 6 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Oct 1, 2025·1h 9m
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    Podcast Reactions, Charlie Kirk Martyrdom and Hollywood Heroes :: Ep 5 Circling the Drain Podcast

    This episode discusses how a listener's political views shifted from liberal to conservative after discovering Phil Valentine's radio show through its music, while introducing the hosts and theme of the podcast about entertainment and avoiding decline.

    Sep 24, 2025·56m
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    Story Songs: The Lost Art of Musical Storytelling :: Ep 4 Circling the Drain Podcast

    This episode discusses the decline of story songs in music, explores AI's impact on the industry, and features a casual conversation with hosts and guests about musical storytelling across genres.

    Sep 17, 2025·46m
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    From Stage to Screen: When Musicians Try Acting :: Ep 3 Circling the Drain Podcast

    This episode explores the challenges and humorous aspects of musicians attempting to transition into acting, using examples like Spinal Tap and Hank Williams.

    Sep 10, 2025·48m
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    Radio Wars and Rockstar Dreams: Tales from the Golden Age of Broadcasting :: Ep 2 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Sep 1, 2025·1h 10m
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    When Stars Die: How Entertainment Icons Shape Our Lives :: Ep 1 Circling The Drain Podcast

    Aug 29, 2025·54m