Recovery talk with church scars showing.
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Church & Other Drugs sits where sobriety talk, Christian theology, and chaotic friend-group banter overlap. Episodes can move from prosperity-preacher outrage or zombie-apocalypse riffing into shame, prayer, atonement, relapse, and grace without much warning.
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About Church & Other Drugs
Church & Other Drugs is a faith-and-recovery show built out of confession, theological curiosity, and unvarnished banter. It has the speed of a group text and the emotional shape of a meeting after the chairs have been stacked. A joke can run for a while. Then, almost without transition, the conversation is inside addiction, shame, prayer, boundaries, church culture, or the problem of suffering. That volatility is part of the appeal. The show treats humor as a release valve, not as an escape hatch. Recent episodes move between serious Christian interviews and loose Rehab Bromance side conversations. Greg Boyd appears for an Easter discussion of atonement, the cross, pain, prayer, and the idea that God looks like Jesus. Dr. Natalie Atwell brings the show into the tense overlap between mental illness, counseling, spirituality, and talk of spiritual warfare. Aaron and Raph appear in a sponsor-sponsee conversation about recovery dynamics. Rehab Bromance episodes widen the frame into early sobriety, validation, boundaries, new drug threats, pop-culture riffing, and the way people use stories to make sense of wreckage. The show is especially interested in the parts of Christian life that tidy church language often skips: purity culture, sexual shame, addiction, doubt, prosperity-preacher spectacle, and the ache of wanting answers without pretending certainty. Its bluntness can be sharp, but the center is warmer than the surface suggests. The people here tease, interrupt, correct themselves, and keep circling back to grace. For listeners who have been around recovery rooms, Christian subcultures, or both, the texture will feel recognizable. It is messy because the subject matter is messy. It is funny because survival stories often are. And beneath the noise, it keeps asking a plain question: what does healing look like when nobody gets to fake being fine?
Made for: For listeners drawn to Christian faith conversations that can handle addiction, doubt, recovery-room humor, and church-culture baggage without smoothing the edges.
What sets it apart: The show pairs serious theological guests with loose, blunt recovery storytelling, letting deep questions and chaotic friendship energy occupy the same room.
In their own words
Welcome to Church & Other Drugs. I am a recovered addict and Christian seeker who tells the stories of the beatdown, up and coming, hard-knocked, and healed up. you’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll learn. Conspiracies? Nephilim? Heroin? Comedy? Check. faith|humor|comedy|christianity|spirituality
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Like the funniest after-meeting you were not invited to, with atonement theory waiting by the coffee.
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- recovery talk that keeps its scars visible and its jokes filthy
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Episodes
- 1
338 - Going through a breakup in sobriety with Suki Jones! Live from Rehab
·1h 10m - 2
Rehab Bromance episode 6!
·59m - 3
361 - Easter Special "God Looks Like Jesus" with GREG BOYD! Why did Jesus die on a Cross? Does Prayer matter? and more!
·1h 8m - 4
Rehab Bromance episode 5!
·1h 9m - 5
360 - Sponsor/Sponsee Showdown! Ft. Aaron and Raph!
·1h 3m - 6
Rehab Bromance episode 4!
·1h 5m - 7
359 - Jed Confesses to a Christian Alcoholic! ft. Jon Seidl
·1h 17m - 8
Rehab Bromance episode 3!
·59m - 9
358 - Veteran and Recovered Addict Bryan C. on War, PTSD, Iran, and Conspiracy!
·1h 2m - 10
Rehab Bromance #2!
·1h 20m - 11
Rehab Bromance, episode #1!!!
·58m - 12
357 - Emogelicals teaser; We did Jesus and We did Drugs feat. Josh Patterson!
·37m - 13
356 - Rehab Bromance (Trevon & Raph) talk Trump, Epstein, AI and OnlyFans!
·1h 3m - 14
355 - Stephen McWhirter! Songwriter of Grammy-Winner 'Come Jesus Come' and author of Radically Restored! From Meth to Redemption!
·1h 3m - 15
354 - The Autopsy of a Relapse, in Full feat. Dave from Dopey!
·2h 33m - 16
The Emogelicals #13- 00's Emo Fashion, New Music Recs, and Non-Alcoholic Beer!
·1h 6m - 17
353 - Jason Lyle from Sacred Grit Returns! Existential Dread, Reincarnation, The Gospel and Digital Reality!
·1h 6m - 18
The Emogelicals feat. Josh and Kristy!
·1h 10m - 19
352 - With Every Option-- Why Choose Christ? feat. Matt Corley!
·1h 7m - 20
351 - Rehab Bromance ft. Trevon and Raph - The Diddy Discussions
·1h 1m - 21
*greatest hits* Besh and Jed Story Time
·1h 6m - 22
350 - Adderall, Smoke Shops, Heroin and Recovery ft. Aaron S. !
·1h 29m - 23
349 - Dad-mode violence, Bath Salts, Psychosis and Top 5 Drug Movies ft. Trevon and Raph!
·1h 10m - 24
347 - "Jesus Christ" Emo Diaries ft. Dan Koch from Pretty Good Vibrations!
·1h 41m - 25
346 - Confession of a Christian Alcoholic with Jon Seidl!
·1h 16m - 26
345 - Living Amends, Working in Treatment and Finding Hope with Trevon T.!
·1h 6m - 27
344 - When Sober and Successful doesn't mean Joyous and Free feat. Michael Oakley from Built By The Red Stick!
·1h 22m - 28
343 - Star Wars, Pokemon and Drugs ft. Raph Luneau! Childhood trauma, fatherhood, sobriety
·1h 29m - 29
341 - Matt Corley: From Drunken Golf Pro to Mr. Rehab
·1h 7m - 30
I'm Back! An update
·8m - 31
***Greatest Hits!*** Pastor With No Answers-- Joey, Hayne, Amy and Jed talk Prayer!
·1h 12m - 32
***Greatest Hits!*** Post-Hardcore Music Tournament with Dan Koch from You Have Permission and Pretty Good Vibrations!
·2h 4m - 33
***Greatest Hits*** Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures!
·1h 19m - 34
Emogelicals episode 11 Sneak Peak!
·34m - 35
340 - Jed's Solo Music Episode! Song Breakdowns and Listening Party
·49m - 36
339 - Live from Rehab #3 ft. The Elders!
·51m - 37
*greatest hits* Shawn Dunbar vs. Baton Rouge!
·1h 47m - 38
*Greatest Hits* Dr. Michael Heiser talks about Demons!
·1h 13m - 39
337 - I relapsed.
·1h 4m - 40
*Greatest Hits* The Emogelicals Episode 4
·1h 6m - 41
336 - Two idiots one microphone ft. Heath; or, The Gang Solves Healthcare
·1h 17m - 42
The Emogelicals episode XI with Tripp Fuller!!
·1h 43m - 43
334 - "Content Creator Evangelist" and why Jed hates that phrase, ft. Kenon and Andrew
·1h 28m - 44
333 - The Drug Q & A episode with The Elders!
·1h 13m - 45
332 - Patreon sneak peek Brad vs. American Express
·46m - 46
331 - The Emogelicals ep. 10 special release! ft. Josh Patterson
·1h 31m - 47
330 - The Elders discuss Jed's "God's not Dead" moment, philosophy, tariffs, meditation, and "the Silence"
·1h 16m - 48
329 - Are Billionaires unethical? Let's argue about it ft. KenAndrew
·1h 12m - 49
328 - Wildest Hotel Dope Stories ft. Jeannine from Chasing Heroine!
·1h 17m - 50
327 - **FIXED AUDIO**Brookes & Dumb ft. Brooke and Brant. Minecraft, Elongated Muskrat, Viral Videos
·1h 19m - 51
326 - Does God Answer Prayer, Does He Even Care? ft. Hayne, Joey and Amy from PWNA
·1h 13m - 52
325 - Andrew and Jed have a knock-down, drag-out battle. And Ben is there.
·1h 8m - 53
324 - God Still Mad at You, Bro? or, Joey saw UFOs! ft. Robbie and Joey from Pastor With No Answers! Plus, a word on Kratom
·1h 20m - 54
323 - The Elder Raccoons, or, Heath Believes in Evolution
·1h 12m - 55
322 - Malaria Therapy ft. Ben-adryl and Andrew! New Jersey Drones, Tesla Truck and More!
·1h 10m - 56
321 - Jared Klickstein, author of Crooked Smile! Homelessness, Addiction, Prison and Recovery
·1h 50m - 57
320 - A Very Special Emogelicals Christmas Episode!
·1h 26m - 58
319 - The Raccoon Crew Reunites, ft. Tylor and Heath. Mania, Tarot, God and Pokemon
·1h 4m - 59
318 - Babies, Benzos, Bricks, Blackouts and Beelzebub ft. The Elders
·1h 12m - 60
317 - Liz L. talks about Sobriety, Divorce, Parenthood and Jed Mooning a Security Guard!
·1h 17m - 61
316 - Jed, Andrew and Ben go through "The Podcast List"
·1h 4m - 62
315 - Axel Returns for Part 2 of His Story!
·1h 37m - 63
314 - Jeannine from Chasing Heroine pt. 2!
·1h 29m - 64
313 - Axel Bilbao Talks About Being a Harm-Reductionist Junkie! Part 1.
·1h 3m - 65
312 - The Corndog Caravan ft. The Elders- Kenon, Ben and Andrew. Furnace Fest, Conspiracies, Pit Princesses
·1h 18m - 66
311 - Are Mediums Talking To Demons? ft. Jarrod and Joey Svendson and Ellen from PWNA!
·1h 26m - 67
310 - Jeannine Coulter from Chasing Heroine tells her story! Part 1
·1h 34m - 68
309 - Jed Returns! with Ben and Kenon (Benon?)
·1h 12m - 69
Vacation time!
·5m - 70
308 - Carousels, Cosmology and Kabbalah Harris with Kenon and Andrew
·1h 13m - 71
307 - The Return of Heath Dills!
·1h 11m - 72
306 - The Elders talk about Caffeine, TV Shows, High Blood Pressure, PWNA, and The Pass-out Game
·1h 24m - 73
305 - Suki Jones Returns! Prescription drugs, Jed's hotel story, depression, sponsees and doctor shopping!
·1h 11m - 74
304 - Major Payne read The Unseen Realm and wants to talk about The Genesis 6 Worldview!
·1h 11m - 75
303 - Social Media Relationships with Waste Removal Podcast and Brant Coltrain!
·1h 35m - 76
BREAKING NEWS! The Elders are assembled to talk about that thing that just happened...you know, THAT thing.
·1h 10m - 77
302 - Brandon Autrey returns Sober and Free!
·1h 24m - 78
301 - The Blurry Book of Enoch with Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures!
·1h 14m - 79
300 - 300th episode part 2 with Dave from Dopey!
·1h - 80
The Emogelicals- Episode 3 Patreon Teaser
·9m - 81
300 - The 300th Episode, Part 1 with original co-host and co-founder John!
·55m - 82
299 - Dr. Besh Returns! Cryptoterrestrials, Terrance Howard, Reincarnation, Hindu Armageddon, Science as a Cult and More!
·1h 9m - 83
298 - Grieving death, Immurement, Internet Overload, Protecting your Family and more with The Desperadoes!
·1h 26m - 84
297 - Navy SWCC Special Forces Member Captain Don! UFOs, Hollywood fact and fiction, alcoholism in the military and conspiracies!
·1h 37m - 85
296 - LSD overdoses, Civil War Ghosts, Grapeshot, Faith Updates and the only time Jed has ever had to bleep something out ft. The Desperados
·1h 26m - 86
295 - Sobriety, Fly Fishing, Rehab and Divorce with Thomas Perrie!
·1h 12m - 87
Waste Removal - episode 1
·41m - 88
294 - Conspiracy Questions answered with Brooke and Brant!
·1h 21m - 89
Jed and Kenon go on the "Talk on the Way" podcast with Ward Hughley to talk about AI!
·1h 12m - 90
294 - Kinzie and Jed: Two Rad Dads
·1h 21m - 91
The Emogelicals episode 1: Death, pt. 1
·1h 7m - 92
293 - Jed goes on The Do Dads Podcast to talk about Fatherhood!
·1h 13m - 93
293 - The Emogelicals with Josh Patterson,(Re)Thinking Faith Simulcast!
·1h 10m - 94
292 - Aliens, JFK and Conspiracies with Joey and Jared Svendson! A PWNA crossover episode!
·1h 4m - 95
291 - Pastor and author Greg Boyd answers Jed's questions!
·1h 15m - 96
290 - Author Shawna Kay Rodenberg talks growing up in a Christian Cult and life after!
·1h 17m - 97
#289 - Does God Speak Through AI? And Rants Against Prosperity Gospel ft. Kenon and Andrew
·1h 14m - 98
335 - What if there really is nothing after this? Plus, XXXAndrew, Sin and Non-existence
Host Jed and his co-hosts engage in a freewheeling, often absurd conversation that jumps from politics to personal revelations.
·1h 13m·5 clips - 99
342 - Sacred Grit with Jason Lyle! Former Pastor, Sex Addiction and Arresting Your Amygdala!
Host interviews former pastor Jason Lyle about his journey with sex addiction and calming the amygdala, with a brief intro about an album of the year.
·1h 7m - 100
348 - Mental Illness or Spiritual Affliction? Physical Cures vs. Spiritual Solutions ft. Dr. Natalie Atwell!
Host, a recovered addict and Christian, interviews Dr.
·1h 11m·5 clips - 101
362 - Theology (non-alcoholic) Beer Camp 2026 Announcement feat. Josh and Kristy!
Hidden gemChurch & Other Drugs episode 362 centers on Jed's announcement that Josh Patterson and Christy Wallen will bring the show to Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City as a featured God pod.
Apr 15, 2026·1h 4m·4 clips - 102
Rehab Bromance episode 6!
Hidden gemRafe and Trevon open with probiotic gummies, Wellbutrin, and the claim that the gummies made his poops "so much better." The family stories center on Masa's birthday, Bella's caterpillar cake, a mobile petting zoo with a Highland cow, and a touch-a-truck event in Lafayette that drew 10,000 kids.
Apr 9, 2026·1h 1m·4 clips - 103
361 - Easter Special "God Looks Like Jesus" with GREG BOYD! Why did Jesus die on a Cross? Does Prayer matter? and more!
Hidden gemChurch & Other Drugs' Easter special with Greg Boyd centers on God Looks Like Jesus and the question of why Jesus died on a cross.
Apr 1, 2026·1h 8m·4 clips - 104
Rehab Bromance episode 5!
Two hosts discuss a new potent fentanyl analog and the unintended consequences of drug prohibition.
Mar 29, 2026·1h 9m - 105
360 - Sponsor/Sponsee Showdown! Ft. Aaron and Raph!
A podcast episode where the host interviews a former sponsor-sponsee pair about their experience in recovery.
Mar 25, 2026·1h 3m - 106
Rehab Bromance episode 4!
Rehab Bromance episode 4 is a casual roundtable between Rafe, Trayvon, and Jed Payne, the host of Church & Other Drugs who recently relapsed and is returning to sobriety at the six-month mark.
Mar 24, 2026·1h 5m·4 clips - 107
359 - Jed Confesses to a Christian Alcoholic! ft. Jon Seidl
Church & Other Drugs episode 359 features host Jed Payne being interviewed by Jon Seidl on Seidl's 'Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic' podcast, reversing Payne's usual role.
Mar 18, 2026·1h 17m·5 clips - 108
Rehab Bromance episode 3!
Mar 17, 2026·59m - 109
358 - Veteran and Recovered Addict Bryan C. on War, PTSD, Iran, and Conspiracy!
Mar 11, 2026·1h 2m - 110
Rehab Bromance #2!
Mar 10, 2026·1h 20m - 111
Rehab Bromance, episode #1!!!
Mar 2, 2026·58m - 112
357 - Emogelicals teaser; We did Jesus and We did Drugs feat. Josh Patterson!
Feb 26, 2026·37m - 113
356 - Rehab Bromance (Trevon & Raph) talk Trump, Epstein, AI and OnlyFans!
Feb 16, 2026·1h 3m - 114
355 - Stephen McWhirter! Songwriter of Grammy-Winner 'Come Jesus Come' and author of Radically Restored! From Meth to Redemption!
Feb 9, 2026·1h 3m - 115
354 - The Autopsy of a Relapse, in Full feat. Dave from Dopey!
Feb 2, 2026·2h 33m - 116
The Emogelicals #13- 00's Emo Fashion, New Music Recs, and Non-Alcoholic Beer!
Jan 31, 2026·1h 6m - 117
353 - Jason Lyle from Sacred Grit Returns! Existential Dread, Reincarnation, The Gospel and Digital Reality!
Jan 28, 2026·1h 6m - 118
The Emogelicals feat. Josh and Kristy!
Jan 21, 2026·1h 10m - 119
352 - With Every Option-- Why Choose Christ? feat. Matt Corley!
Jan 13, 2026·1h 7m - 120
351 - Rehab Bromance ft. Trevon and Raph - The Diddy Discussions
Jan 6, 2026·1h 1m - 121
350 - Adderall, Smoke Shops, Heroin and Recovery ft. Aaron S. !
Dec 30, 2025·1h 29m - 122
349 - Dad-mode violence, Bath Salts, Psychosis and Top 5 Drug Movies ft. Trevon and Raph!
Dec 22, 2025·1h 10m - 123
348 - Mental Illness or Spiritual Affliction? Physical Cures vs. Spiritual Solutions ft. Dr. Natalie Atwell!
Dr.
Dec 15, 2025·1h 11m - 124
347 - "Jesus Christ" Emo Diaries ft. Dan Koch from Pretty Good Vibrations!
Dec 8, 2025·1h 41m - 125
346 - Confession of a Christian Alcoholic with Jon Seidl!
Dec 2, 2025·1h 16m - 126
345 - Living Amends, Working in Treatment and Finding Hope with Trevon T.!
Nov 24, 2025·1h 6m - 127
344 - When Sober and Successful doesn't mean Joyous and Free feat. Michael Oakley from Built By The Red Stick!
Nov 18, 2025·1h 22m - 128
343 - Star Wars, Pokemon and Drugs ft. Raph Luneau! Childhood trauma, fatherhood, sobriety
Nov 10, 2025·1h 29m - 129
342 - Sacred Grit with Jason Lyle! Former Pastor, Sex Addiction and Arresting Your Amygdala!
Nov 4, 2025·1h 7m - 130
341 - Matt Corley: From Drunken Golf Pro to Mr. Rehab
Oct 28, 2025·1h 7m - 131
I'm Back! An update
Oct 20, 2025·8m - 132
***Greatest Hits!*** Pastor With No Answers-- Joey, Hayne, Amy and Jed talk Prayer!
Oct 1, 2025·1h 12m - 133
***Greatest Hits!*** Post-Hardcore Music Tournament with Dan Koch from You Have Permission and Pretty Good Vibrations!
Sep 26, 2025·2h 4m - 134
***Greatest Hits*** Nate Henry from Blurry Creatures!
Sep 19, 2025·1h 19m - 135
Emogelicals episode 11 Sneak Peak!
Sep 5, 2025·34m - 136
340 - Jed's Solo Music Episode! Song Breakdowns and Listening Party
Aug 21, 2025·49m - 137
339 - Live from Rehab #3 ft. The Elders!
Aug 18, 2025·51m - 138
338 - Going through a breakup in sobriety with Suki Jones! Live from Rehab
Aug 11, 2025·1h 10m - 139
*Greatest Hits* Dr. Michael Heiser talks about Demons!
Aug 8, 2025·1h 13m - 140
337 - I relapsed.
Aug 3, 2025·1h 4m - 141
*Greatest Hits* The Emogelicals Episode 4
Jul 24, 2025·1h 6m - 142
*greatest hits* Besh and Jed Story Time
Jul 16, 2025·1h 6m - 143
*greatest hits* Shawn Dunbar vs. Baton Rouge!
Jul 12, 2025·1h 47m - 144
336 - Two idiots one microphone ft. Heath; or, The Gang Solves Healthcare
Jul 2, 2025·1h 17m - 145
335 - What if there really is nothing after this? Plus, XXXAndrew, Sin and Non-existence
Jun 22, 2025·1h 13m - 146
The Emogelicals episode XI with Tripp Fuller!!
Tripp Fuller, a theologian and podcaster, reacts to death metal band Lorna Shore and delivers a Lord of the Rings rant on the Emogelicals podcast.
Jun 3, 2025·1h 43m - 147
334 - "Content Creator Evangelist" and why Jed hates that phrase, ft. Kenon and Andrew
May 26, 2025·1h 28m - 148
333 - The Drug Q & A episode with The Elders!
The host introduces a drug Q&A episode with the elders, discusses his busy schedule, and promotes Patreon and merchandise.
May 6, 2025·1h 13m - 149
332 - Patreon sneak peek Brad vs. American Express
Brad and the host banter about a previous audio issue, Brad's new phone, and a story about Dirty Mike at Walmart.
Apr 30, 2025·46m - 150
331 - The Emogelicals ep. 10 special release! ft. Josh Patterson
Apr 18, 2025·1h 31m