Chalk Radio

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Talking shop with MIT OpenCourseWare's teachers and learners.

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Host Sarah Hansen talks with guests such as MIT economist Jon Gruber, MIT programmer Ana Bell and science photographer Felice Frankel, mixing detailed talk about their work with playful asides. AI keeps coming up, from whether Python is still worth learning to whether ChatGPT should plan a retirement.

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Chalk Radio is the MIT OpenCourseWare podcast, built around conversations between host Sarah Hansen and people connected to OCW's free course material. Several of them teach at MIT. The talk gets specific quickly. Economist Jon Gruber explains opportunity cost through someone who is dating and weighing marriage, then shifts to health care, where the lone hospital on Nantucket faces no competition because patients will not take a ferry for a heart attack. When Hansen asks about his involvement with the Affordable Care Act, he starts from how policy ought to be made: by first understanding what a policy will do. Financial economist Andrew W. Lo considers how poorly people manage their own money and discloses that he has dyscalculia, which he describes as a mathematical counterpart to dyslexia. He also recalls learning that good drugs can fail to reach patients because there is not enough financing. He calls his turn toward that problem selfish, since he wanted better drugs for friends and family. MIT programmer and senior lecturer Ana Bell talks about Python, growth mindset and, somehow, rubber ducks. Science photographer Felice Frankel holds that an image's first job is to communicate the science. She walks through her tools, including a scanner she treats almost like a microscope, with 3D objects placed on it and the lid left up. One question keeps coming back: what does AI change? Hansen asks Frankel whether it is coming for her job, asks Bell whether learning to code still makes sense, and asks Lo whether ChatGPT should plan a retirement. Bell's reply, 'trust, but verify', rests on fixing a flawed AI-generated program herself instead of prompting the tool over and over. Hansen is a lively presence throughout. She interrupts Bell to insist that her programming knowledge is more than basic, and she wonders aloud whether she belongs in economics once Gruber says its standard model leaves no room for emotion. The feed also steps outside the faculty interview. In 'Special Episode: Collaborating with Community Colleges', Hansen talks with the OCW team's collaborations and engagement manager. That guest came to see the work as listening to community college faculty about their priorities, not simply handing them OCW, and found that adapting open material is not plug and play. One example is a mechanical engineering professor named Tricia, who spent time reworking complex engineering graphs for her own teaching. 'Sujood from Sudan: An Open Learner's Story' comes from Open Learners, a series in which two learners, one from Kampala and one from Memphis, talk with other people who use OCW. The guest credits OCW lectures with helping them understand academic English, and describes how meeting others affected by war helped with healing. Episodes close by pointing to OCW and to a video version on the MIT OCW YouTube channel, so a listener can go from a conversation to the material behind it.

Made for: Suits a listener who enjoys hearing economics, programming or science imaging explained in plain, personal terms, and who likes having free course material to turn to afterward.

What sets it apart: Each conversation is tied to MIT OpenCourseWare, so a discussion of trade-offs or Python points toward free material a listener can open afterward. Hansen's recurring AI question and her candid reactions make the interviews looser than a standard faculty profile.

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Chalk Radio is an MIT OpenCourseWare podcast about inspired teaching at MIT. We take you behind the scenes of some of the most interesting courses on campus to talk with the professors who make those courses possible. Our guests open up to us about the passions that drive their cutting-edge research and innovative teaching, sharing stories that are candid, funny, serious, personal, and full of insights. Listening in on these conversations is like being right here with us in person under the MIT dome, talking with your favorite professors. And because each of our guests shares teaching materials on OCW, it's easy to take a deeper dive into the topics that inspire you. If you're an educator, y…

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Misinformation, AI, & Science PhotographyMar 4, 2026

A science photographer shows how tools and design choices make research visible, with AI entering as an open question.

Science photography is framed as both a technical craft and a public-facing act of translation: images help make research easier to grasp. Chalk Radio's conversation with science photographer Felice Frankel follows that work from photons, cameras, microscopes, and electronics to…

MIT Economist Jon Gruber on AI, Trade-offs & HealthcareNov 5, 2025

John Gruber links opportunity cost, AI, and healthcare policy through the real-world consequences of economic models.

Opportunity cost gets a useful test as John Gruber moves from marriage decisions to the design of health insurance. Chalk Radio treats economics less as jargon than as a way to see trade-offs clearly, then presses that habit against emotion, imperfect information, and healthcare…

MIT Programmer Ana Bell on Growth Mindset, Coding, and Rubber DucksMay 14, 2025

A rubber duck leads into a practical case for learning enough code to verify Gen-AI output.

Chalk Radio starts with a light, useful hook: Annabelle's rubber duck. From there, the episode moves into the bigger question of what coding knowledge is still worth when Gen-AI can hand back code to work from.

MIT Economist Andrew W. Lo on Finance, AI, and Human BehaviorApr 16, 2025

A candid conversation about finance as the machinery that can help promising ideas reach people.

Finance becomes a technology of possibility in Chalk Radio's conversation with MIT financial economist Andrew Lo: a way to move ideas from promising to funded, with consequences for medicine, entrepreneurship, climate change, and the energy transition.

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Episodes

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    Misinformation, AI, & Science Photography

    Hidden gem

    Chalk Radio's Sarah Hansen interviews Felice Frankel, an award-winning science photographer at MIT, about using images to communicate research and about the boundary between documentation and illustration.

    Mar 4, 2026·46m·3 clips
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    Special Episode: Collaborating with Community Colleges

    Hidden gem

    ["Sarah Hansen and Dr.

    Jan 15, 2026·34m·2 clips
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    MIT Economist Jon Gruber on AI, Trade-offs & Healthcare

    Hidden gem

    MIT economist John Gruber frames economics as a discipline of trade-offs, saying every decision has an opportunity cost and that nothing is free.

    Nov 5, 2025·29m·2 clips
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    MIT Programmer Ana Bell on Growth Mindset, Coding, and Rubber Ducks

    Hidden gem

    Sarah Hansen opens Chalk Radio's video-podcast pilot with Annabelle, an MIT programmer, author, and senior lecturer whose MIT OpenCourseWare videos have reached millions, then asks whether Python still matters when AI can write code.

    May 14, 2025·30m·2 clips
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    MIT Economist Andrew W. Lo on Finance, AI, and Human Behavior

    Andrew W.

    Apr 16, 2025·39m·2 clips
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    Sujood from Sudan: An Open Learner's Story

    Hidden gem

    Chalk Radio’s “Sujood from Sudan: An Open Learner's Story” follows Sajud Khalid Ahmed Olduma, a University of Khartoum engineering graduate who fled Sudan for Egypt in May 2023 and continued studying through MIT programs.

    Dec 18, 2024·29m·2 clips
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    Jerry from Uganda: An Open Learner's Story

    Hidden gem

    Chalk Radio's "Jerry from Uganda: An Open Learner's Story" follows Jerry Vance Anguzu from Kampala, who began studying MIT OpenCourseWare statistics in 2020 while attending Chambogo University.

    Dec 4, 2024·27m·1 clip
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    Lotfullah from Afghanistan: An Open Learner's Story

    Hidden gem

    Ladfula Andeshman describes growing up in an Afghan village with little electricity or internet and walking by moonlight to his uncle’s chemistry lessons.

    Nov 13, 2024·26m·1 clip
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    Nader from Jordan: An Open Learner's Story

    Hidden gem

    Chalk Radio’s “Nader from Jordan: An Open Learner’s Story” follows Nadar Al-Etawi, who studied MIT finance materials after working 19-hour shifts at a falafel restaurant in Jordan.

    Oct 30, 2024·27m·1 clip
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    Jae-Min from South Korea: An Open Learner’s Story

    Hidden gem

    Jaemin Hong, a final-year economics student at Yonsei University, used MIT OpenCourseWare to study thermodynamics, finance, chemistry, data science, and computer science beyond her formal degree.

    Oct 16, 2024·30m·2 clips
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    Maria from Brazil: An Open Learner’s Story

    Hidden gem

    Maria Eduarda Barbosa describes how moving from Rio to Brasilia placed her in a school where she could ace tests without mastering the material.

    Oct 2, 2024·27m·2 clips
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    Introducing the Open Learners Podcast

    Sep 25, 2024·12m
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    Living Poetry with Poet Joshua Bennett

    Hidden gem

    Sarah Hansen interviews MIT professor and poet Joshua Bennett about poetry as a communal practice rooted in family talent shows, Black church, spoken word, and ancient oral traditions.

    Jun 26, 2024·52m·3 clips
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    Robust Science with Prof. Rebecca Saxe

    Hidden gem

    Chalk Radio's “Robust Science with Prof.

    Jun 19, 2024·1h 2m·4 clips
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    Innovation, Past and Future with Open Learning's Dean Christopher Capozzola

    Jun 5, 2024·13m
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    What’s Worth Making? with Prof. Hal Abelson

    An interview with MIT professor Hal Abelson about his career in computer science education and the origins of MIT OpenCourseWare.

    May 29, 2024·43m
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    The Power of Experience with Dr. Ari Epstein

    May 22, 2024·19m
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    Everything Here Is Sacred (Terrascope Radio Replay)

    May 22, 2024·19m
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    Economics and Real-World Impact with Dr. Sara Ellison and Prof. Esther Duflo

    May 15, 2024·37m
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    The Lumpy Universe with Prof. David Kaiser

    May 8, 2024·53m
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    Reimagining Cities with Prof. David Hsu

    May 1, 2024·11m
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    The Kitchen Cloud Chamber with Prof. Anne White

    Apr 24, 2024·44m
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    Honoring Your Native Language with Prof. Michel DeGraff

    Professor Michel DeGraff discusses the importance of honoring native languages and cultures in education, sharing his journey from viewing Haitian Creole as broken French to recognizing it as a real language.

    Apr 18, 2023·26m
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    Sustainability Education Across Learning Environments with Dr. Liz Potter-Nelson and Sarah Meyers

    Apr 5, 2023·15m
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    Teaching Teachers with Dr. Summer Morrill

    Mar 22, 2023·19m
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    Communication is the Whole Game with Paige Bright & Prof. Haynes Miller

    Mar 8, 2023·19m
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    Opening Computer Science to Everyone with Chancellor Eric Grimson

    Feb 22, 2023·17m
  28. 28

    Seeing Green with Drs. Sandland and Chazot

    Feb 8, 2023·18m
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    Well-being is the Goal with Prof. Frank Schilbach

    Jan 25, 2023·17m
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    The Greatest Existential Threat with Prof. Robert Redwine and Dr. Jim Walsh

    Jan 11, 2023·16m
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    Visualizing Calculus with Professor Gigliola Staffilani

    Jun 30, 2022·14m
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    Finding Expertise Everywhere with Prof. M. Amah Edoh

    Apr 27, 2022·19m
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    AI Literacy for All with Prof. Cynthia Breazeal

    An interview with MIT professor Cynthia Brazil about her work in responsible AI and human-robot collaboration.

    Mar 30, 2022·21m
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    Making Ethical Decisions in Software Design with Prof. Daniel Jackson & Serena Booth

    MIT scientists Daniel Jackson and Serena Booth discuss how software engineers can identify and make better ethical decisions in design by being more aware of value-laden decision points.

    Feb 23, 2022·22m
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    The Human Element in Machine Learning with Prof. Catherine D’Ignazio, Prof. Jacob Andreas & Harini Suresh

    Jan 26, 2022·16m
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    When There Isn't A Simple Answer with Prof. Dennis McLaughlin

    Jan 12, 2022·15m
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    Learning about Life through Laboratory Chemistry with Drs. John Dolhun & Sarah Hewett

    Dec 15, 2021·17m
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    Re-engineering Education with VP for Open Learning Sanjay Sarma

    Dec 1, 2021·12m
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    Sketching a Picture of the Mind with Prof. Nancy Kanwisher

    Nov 17, 2021·19m
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    Prof. Edoh Wants to Know What You Think

    Oct 25, 2021·2m
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    Building Our Muscle for Democracy (Prof. Ceasar McDowell)

    Jun 3, 2021·31m
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    In Climate Conversations, Empathy is Everything (Brandon Leshchinskiy)

    Mar 31, 2021·21m
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    Visualizing the Future of Spaceship Earth (Prof. Dava Newman)

    Mar 3, 2021·15m
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    Encountering Each Other (Essayist Garnette Cadogan)

    Feb 17, 2021·23m
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    Seeing the Big Picture from Space (Astronaut Jeff Hoffman)

    Jan 27, 2021·20m
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    Making Solid State Chemistry Matter (Prof. Jeffrey Grossman)

    Dec 2, 2020·12m
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    Searching for the Oldest Stars (Prof. Anna Frebel)

    Nov 11, 2020·15m
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    Paying it Forward with FinTech (Prof. Gary Gensler)

    Oct 28, 2020·16m
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    The Power of OER with Profs. Mary Rowe and Elizabeth Siler

    Jul 15, 2020·18m
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    Thinking Like an Economist with Prof. Jonathan Gruber

    Jun 24, 2020·10m