
School leadership as an endurance event, called from ringside.
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Bell 2 Bell With the Doc turns running, endurance racing and a ring announcer's swagger into plain-spoken lessons about leading a school. Its episodes cover how to vet advice, who belongs in a leader's circle, how to read assessment data and how to pace change without hitting the wall.
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About Bell 2 Bell With the Doc
Bell 2 Bell With the Doc is a school-leadership show built on analogy. Its host gathers lessons from the road, the ring and the classroom, then applies them to the chaos of running a school. The packaging is pro wrestling through and through. A ring-announcer welcome of 'ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls', a pivot to 'the main event' and a send-off urging listeners to make tomorrow their main event recur across episodes, with 'the winner and still champion' trailing after. Pro wrestling and sports come up as subjects as well, but education and educational leadership stay at the center. The through-line is what the host calls endurance leadership, and the metaphors come straight from running and racing. One story is set a few miles from the finish of a race on a hot August afternoon in Tennessee. Another recalls a missed turn that added 20 miles and wrecked the rest of that race. The lesson is blunt: know the course. Plenty of school leaders want high scores, low truancy and zero bus issues, the host argues, yet start fast with no plan. Following whoever is out in front is no substitute, because being ahead is not the same as knowing the way. The same practical logic shapes a take on assessment. A daily weigh-in shows the host's weight drifting with salt, carbonated drinks and skipped workouts, and a calibrated test works much the same way: one consistent checkpoint whose trends can drive change inside a school. Advice gets hard scrutiny. The host offers checkpoints for separating sound counsel from gut-feel talk, among them whether the person has ever actually run a school and how they perform under pressure. Retired, old-school administrators are named as the source of some of the best advice the host has received. An episode on building a tribe shares that respect for lived experience over degrees and closes with an open offer: anyone who needs someone in their corner can reach out by email. Not everything is a how-to. One episode reaches for the legend of the black dog, a menacing creature found across many cultures that preys on the inattentive, an idea the host had written about on a blog years earlier. The delivery is candid and warm, and one opening admits the recording had to be restarted a few times. Mild profanity surfaces now and then. The feed also holds a second format, From the Principal's Desk, a two-voice conversation between Dennis Wilds and Chris Sharp. In one of those episodes, Wilds brings on football coach Carl 'Bubba' White, someone he goes back several years with. The coach talks about requiring players to look him in the eye and treat one another with respect, expecting pushback from families, and fixing what he can control. The pair close that episode with a pun on their own names: 'Wilds out' and 'stay sharp out there.' For a first listen, 'Sniffing Out Bad Advice' fits anyone weighing outside input, and 'Tipping the Scales' fits someone trying to make sense of test data.
Made for: Suits a listener who is leading a school, or preparing to, and wants practical lessons carried by personal stories and sports metaphors rather than jargon. It also fits anyone who enjoys motivational talk with a dose of pro wrestling theatrics.
What sets it apart: Its leadership lessons come through the host's own races, daily weigh-ins and borrowed folklore, all wrapped in pro wrestling ring-announcer patter. The feed pairs those single-voice talks with From the Principal's Desk conversations and guest interviews.
In their own words
This is a Podcast by principals, for principals. Dennis Wilds and Chris Sharp look at educational leadership and how to improve your school. Please follow us on twitter @dwilds22 and @jchrissharp. Also, please join and read our blog at https://dwilds22.wixsite.com/website
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Episodes
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Bell 2 Bell with the Doc: Ep. 41- Tipping the Scales
A principal discusses the importance of using a scale as a metaphor for measuring and implementing change in schools.
Feb 16, 2026·16m - 2
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc: Ep. 40- Building Your Tribe
The hosts discuss building a supportive tribe of like-minded educators to enhance school leadership.
Jan 30, 2026·18m - 3
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc: Ep. 39- Sniffing Out Bad Advice
The host discusses spotting bad advice in educational leadership, using a personal anecdote about trail running to introduce the topic.
Jan 20, 2026·19m - 4
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc: Ep. 38- Pace Your Race Towards Change.
The hosts use a personal story from a triathlon to discuss pacing change in school leadership.
Dec 1, 2025·13m - 5
Bell 2 Bell: Ep.37- Hunting the Black Dog.
A podcast for school principals discussing endurance leadership and the metaphor of 'hunting the black dog' in schools.
Nov 22, 2025·17m - 6
Bell 2 Bell Ep. 36- “That’s a Terrible Idea!” Leading from the Back.
Nov 10, 2025·13m - 7
Bell 2 Bell Ep. 35 Toeing the Line: Failure or Finish
Nov 3, 2025·13m - 8
Bell 2 Bell Ep, 34- The Myth of the Medal
Oct 26, 2025·14m - 9
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc Ep.33- The Magic Mile and the Mop Handle
Oct 18, 2025·14m - 10
Bell 2 Bell EP 32: Going Back to Square One
Hidden gemThe Doc's five-step reset plan combines consistency, setbacks, positivity, and self-care for rebuilding at square one.
Oct 7, 2025·19m·1 clip - 11
Episode 31- Answer the Bell ( The Return)
Sep 29, 2025·12m - 12
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc Ep.30- Be More Than a Gimmick
Feb 14, 2023·11m - 13
Bell 2 Bell With the doc Ep.29- The Test of Strength/Don't Lock up!!!
Feb 1, 2023·13m - 14
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc Ep. 28- Knowledge vs. Wisdom
Jan 21, 2023·12m - 15
Bell 2 Bell ep 27.- Throwing Haymakers
Dec 31, 2022·10m - 16
Bell 2 Bell Ep. 26-Maximize Your Minutes
Dec 11, 2022·13m - 17
Bell 2 Bell Ep 25- Movement, Happyfeet and Flat Footed
Dec 4, 2022·11m - 18
Bell 2 Bell Ep. 24- Beware the Sandbaggers
Nov 28, 2022·12m - 19
Bell 2 Bell Ep23-The Gimmick
Nov 22, 2022·10m - 20
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc Episode 21: Chicken Salad
Nov 14, 2022·12m - 21
Bell 2 Bell Ep.22 - Hard Times
Nov 14, 2022·10m - 22
Bell 2 Bell with the Doc Ep.20- The Treadmill
Nov 10, 2022·12m - 23
Ep.19- Getting Your Bell Rung
Oct 31, 2022·11m - 24
Ep.12 The Power of the Pencil
Aug 14, 2022·11m - 25
Ep.9 Hot-shotting Change
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 26
Ep. 8 Momma bears and Wild Samoans
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 27
Ep. 6 Change pt.1- Selling Change
Aug 14, 2022·9m - 28
Ep.4 Learning to Call It in The Ring
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 29
Ep. 3 Finding Your Tag Team Partner
Aug 14, 2022·9m - 30
Ep.2 Cash and Culture
Aug 14, 2022·9m - 31
Ep. 18 Lacing Up Your Working Boots
Aug 14, 2022·9m - 32
Ep.16 The Art of the Sell pt2- No Selling
Aug 14, 2022·11m - 33
Ep.1 Don't Tape it Up and Go!
Aug 14, 2022·13m - 34
Ep.11 The Show Must Go On !
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 35
Ep.7 Change pt.2- Why Change
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 36
Ep. 5 Heat and Heat-seekers
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 37
Ep. 13 Underdogs, Hope-spots, and the Comeback
Aug 14, 2022·10m - 38
B2B ep17- A Message to Gov. Bill Lee
Aug 14, 2022·15m - 39
Ep 15 The Art of the Sell pt.1
Aug 14, 2022·11m - 40
Ep.14 Educational Stiff-shots, Potatoes, and Receipts
Aug 14, 2022·11m - 41
Ep. 10 SMART parents
Aug 14, 2022·9m - 42
From the Principal's Desk Ep.9- Dangers of Data
Hidden gemDennis Wilds and Chris Sharp examine the dangers of relying on school data during the COVID-19 disruption and the return to school in fall 2020.
Jun 23, 2020·40m·2 clips - 43
From the Principal's Desks Ep 8-Interview with Coach Carl "Bubba" White
Hidden gemBell 2 Bell With the Doc hosts Dennis Wilds and Dr.
May 12, 2020·1h 4m·4 clips - 44
From the Principal's Desk Ep 7- Interview with Chuck Carter
Two principals interview a CTE director about culture building and leadership in education.
May 4, 2020·1h 7m - 45
From the Principals Desk Ep 6- Don't Forget the Little Things
Hidden gemDennis Wilds and Chris Sharp address school leaders managing distance learning, school closures, and students missing graduations or classroom goodbyes.
Apr 28, 2020·43m·2 clips - 46
Form the Principal's desk Ep 5 Building Your Tribe ( Relationships with Staff)
Two principals discuss building a tribe among staff and establishing school-wide expectations to improve school culture.
Apr 17, 2020·41m - 47
From the Principals Desk Ep 4: Building Relationships with Students.
Principals Dennis Wilds and Dr.
Apr 9, 2020·37m·2 clips - 48
From the Principals Desk Ep.3- Establishing Expectations in Your School.
Apr 3, 2020·38m - 49
From the Principal's Desk Ep. 2: Pace Your Race Towards Change
Mar 27, 2020·57m - 50
From the Principal's Desk Ep.1: Culture in Your School
Two principals introduce themselves and discuss their educational backgrounds and school culture issues in a new podcast for school leaders.
Mar 4, 2020·31m