ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money

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Strategic policy, clearly argued.

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Policy, Guns & Money brings analysts, officials, and international guests into focused conversations on national security and foreign affairs. Its episodes move from AUKUS submarines and critical minerals to Ukraine, cyber conflict, election integrity, and the women, peace and security agenda.

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About ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money

Policy, Guns & Money is an Australian strategic affairs interview show with a broad but coherent brief. Defence policy is its spine, but the conversations regularly move through cyber conflict, technology, foreign interference, disinformation, Ukraine, AUKUS, the Quad, critical minerals, and democratic resilience. The show works best as a guided briefing room. A named interviewer brings in a specialist, sets the current policy moment, and then asks what the decision actually means. Some episodes focus on hardware and capability, including submarines, armoured vehicles, maritime strategy, Air Force education, and the Defence Strategic Review. Others turn to less visible infrastructure: rare earths, cyber tools, election integrity, supply chains, and the assumptions governments carry into future warfare. The tone is serious and practical. It does not chase spectacle. It asks how alliances function, how deterrence is strengthened, where budgets become constraints, and why democratic systems need public trust to withstand pressure. Australia is usually the anchor, but the frame is international. The United States, Europe, NATO, Ukraine, China, the Pacific, South East and East Asia, and multilateral institutions all appear as part of the same strategic landscape. The show also makes room for values and social consequences, including women’s participation in conflict resolution, online violence, authoritarianism, and the protection of liberal democratic norms. Its vocabulary can be policy-heavy, but the format keeps returning to explanation. Guests are asked to define the problem, separate assumption from evidence, and name the trade-offs that matter. That makes the show useful for listeners who follow defence and national security closely, but also for general listeners trying to understand why these issues keep moving from specialist circles into everyday politics. Across its run, Policy, Guns & Money becomes a snapshot of Australia thinking aloud about power, risk, resilience, and responsibility.

Made for: For listeners interested in defence, national security, cyber policy, foreign affairs, and Australia’s role in the Indo-Pacific. It particularly suits people who want expert discussion without losing the practical consequences of policy choices.

What sets it apart: The show connects headline security issues to the machinery underneath them: capabilities, alliances, supply chains, institutions, and democratic resilience. Its Australian vantage point gives global debates a specific strategic frame.

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Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.

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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Policy, Guns & Money makes security policy legible through detailed interviews with people working across military, diplomatic, intelligence and regulatory institutions.

Policy, Guns & Money puts policymakers, military leaders and security researchers into structured interviews that connect strategic choices with the institutions responsible for carrying them out.

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Offensive cyber operations; election integrity and disinformationFeb 23, 2024

Cyber policy where espionage and military planning keep colliding.

The episode treats offensive cyber operations as a core part of how governments imagine future warfare, moving steadily through military planning, cyber responses, and deterrence.

Ukraine, the Quad and an Australian maritime strategyDec 27, 2023

A grounded discussion of Zelinsky's novel, Ukraine, and the case for continued democratic support.

Zelinsky's book, The Sun Will Rise, gives the episode a clear center, with the discussion drawing on his experience covering Russia's invasion of Ukraine and moving through war fatigue, the latest developments, and the case for continued support from democracies.

Air Force education, the WPS agenda and women’s rightsDec 22, 2023

A policy interview linking military education, alliance ties, and the women, peace and security agenda.

The conversation treats the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs as both a school and a piece of the long running defense relationship between the United States and Australia.

Cyber conflict, competition and cooperation with Jason HealeySep 4, 2023

A cyber policy discussion built around continuity, resilience, and the practical limits of prevention.

Policy, Guns and Money treats cyber conflict as a national security problem, and Jason Healy's Pentagon, White House, and academic background gives the conversation real institutional heft.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Ylli Bajraktari

    ·27m
  2. 2

    Policy, Guns and Money – that’s a wrap!

    ·3m
  3. 3

    Offensive cyber operations; election integrity and disinformation

    ·49m
  4. 4

    Myanmar’s junta under pressure; geopolitics in the Pacific

    ·51m
  5. 5

    Ukraine, the Quad and an Australian maritime strategy

    ·1h 26m
  6. 6

    Air Force education, the WPS agenda and women’s rights

    ·1h 3m
  7. 7

    AI horizons: Navigating regulations, safety, and the use of AI

    ·40m
  8. 8

    How parliamentarians view cybersecurity and critical technology, with Gai Brodtmann

    ·23m
  9. 9

    Professor Ian Hall on India, Australia, and the region

    ·28m
  10. 10

    Australia and space with Australia's Defence Space Commander

    ·35m
  11. 11

    Australia-Tuvalu Falepili Union, Philippines and the South China Sea

    ·42m
  12. 12

    Albanese trip to China, economic coercion, and diplomatic relations

    ·1h 6m
  13. 13

    Authoritarian AI, China and the metaverse

    ·43m
  14. 14

    Indo-Pacific security & partnerships: India, Australia & the US with Lisa Curtis & Raji Rajagopalan

    ·1h
  15. 15

    Geopolitics in Southeast Asia; Australia-Indonesia relations

    ·50m
  16. 16

    Hacking for Cash: Nadia Taggart and Anna Aquilina

    ·32m
  17. 17

    Defence innovation with Sean Singleton

    ·34m
  18. 18

    A modern look at deterrence with Brad Roberts

    ·25m
  19. 19

    The future of the international order with Kori Schake

    ·27m
  20. 20

    Cyber conflict, competition and cooperation with Jason Healey

    ·38m
  21. 21

    Ross Babbage on deterrence and defence strategy; jailed terrorists and the risk of reoffending

    ·36m
  22. 22

    The Bigger Picture: AUSMIN 2023 with John Coyne and Euan Graham

    ·33m
  23. 23

    Hacking for Cash: Francis Gurry, Nigel Corey, and Elizabeth Chien-Hale

    ·55m
  24. 24

    The Bigger Picture: AUSMIN 2023 with Alex Bristow and Jennifer Parker

    ·26m
  25. 25

    Hacking for Cash: Dustin McCormack and Callie Aboaf

    ·20m
  26. 26

    Smooth Sailing in the Indo-Pacific, and strategic mapping in the Indian Ocean

    ·46m
  27. 27

    Hacking for Cash: Chris Painter and Justin Bassi

    ·54m
  28. 28

    US-Australia alliance: Special operations forces cooperation & strengthening the alliance

    ·44m
  29. 29

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: David Waterhouse

    ·22m
  30. 30

    Defence Strategic Review & implications for the maritime domain; Delhi's role in the Indo-Pacific

    An interview with co-author Peter Dean discussing Australia's Defence Strategic Review, focusing on maritime strategy and surface fleet decisions.

    ·57m
  31. 31

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Kestutis Budrys

    ·35m
  32. 32

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Misha Zelinsky

    ·21m
  33. 33

    Beijing’s propaganda, climate and Australia’s national security, federal budget & Defence spending

    ·46m
  34. 34

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Dr Dirk Hager

    ·22m
  35. 35

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Heather Richman, Linda Lourie & John Leslie

    ·24m
  36. 36

    Unpacking Australia’s Defence Strategic Review

    ·45m
  37. 37

    What’s In A Name? The Australia-Indonesia Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - Episode 5

    ·46m
  38. 38

    WASHINGTON TALKS: A Conversation with Australian Ambassador to the US, the Hon. Arthur Sinodinos AO

    ·22m
  39. 39

    Nuclear security & disarmament

    ·41m
  40. 40

    What’s In A Name? The Australia-Indonesia Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - Episode 4

    ·49m
  41. 41

    What’s In A Name? The Australia-Indonesia Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - Episode 3

    ·44m
  42. 42

    US-China competition, countering online extremism, Russia’s Middle East ties

    ·58m
  43. 43

    Space and National Security

    ·47m
  44. 44

    Space security with Lt Gen Nina Armagno & Lt Gen John Shaw

    ·23m
  45. 45

    What’s In A Name? The Australia-Indonesia Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - Episode 2

    ·37m
  46. 46

    What’s In A Name? The Australia-Indonesia Comprehensive Strategic Partnership - Episode 1

    ·45m
  47. 47

    Albanese-Xi meeting, G20 and IP theft

    ·32m
  48. 48

    India-US relations, India’s foreign policy, climate and defence planning

    ·48m
  49. 49

    Non-proliferation, infantry fighting vehicles, floods in Pakistan, Federal Budget & Defence

    ·1h 7m
  50. 50

    The Bigger Picture: Peter Tesch on Putin and Russia

    ·57m
  51. 51

    Deterrence with Lisa Curtis and Bec Shrimpton

    ·35m
  52. 52

    Frontier influencers: the new face of China’s propaganda

    ·18m
  53. 53

    Inside the CCP’s 20th Party Congress

    ·13m
  54. 54

    The case for an Australian semiconductor industry

    ·27m
  55. 55

    Disinformation in Solomon Islands, India-Australia ties, repatriation of families from Syria

    ·40m
  56. 56

    Optus hack, state surveillance in China, UNGA and UN reform

    ·57m
  57. 57

    Australia-US industry and tech collaboration, Google's cybersecurity overhaul

    ·48m
  58. 58

    43% is a good start, but it's not enough

    ·33m
  59. 59

    AUKUS - too big to fail

    ·34m
  60. 60

    Beyond the sandpit: Counterterrorism and resilience in an age of strategic competition

    ·1h 2m
  61. 61

    Continuity & change in warfare and Lessons from the pandemic

    ·39m
  62. 62

    Technology and the economy, Pelosi’s Taiwan visit, RWE in Australia

    ·46m
  63. 63

    Palmer Luckey brings tech disruption to Defence

    ·21m
  64. 64

    Six months into Russia’s war: Looking ahead with Ukraine’s Ambassador

    ·41m
  65. 65

    Iran’s asymmetric capabilities, Defence Strategic Review, India’s South-East Asia relations

    ·37m
  66. 66

    Australia’s space industry, India-China relations, Southeast Asia’s digital transformation

    ·37m
  67. 67

    ASPI opens Washington DC office

    ·18m
  68. 68

    The Bigger Picture: Cyber security with Admiral Michael Rogers

    ·35m
  69. 69

    Australian space launch, tracking public opinion & policing in the Pacific

    ·39m
  70. 70

    Hong Kong handover anniversary, potential Tik Tok ban, mapping Russia’s conflict in Ukraine

    ·39m
  71. 71

    The Bigger Picture: Russia’s war in Ukraine with Toomas Hendrik Ilves, former Estonian President

    ·37m
  72. 72

    Cambodia’s strategic perspectives, Australia-India ties, ADF energy requirements

    ·37m
  73. 73

    Australia’s strategic challenges, countering cyber threats, UK Indo-Pacific tilt

    ·40m
  74. 74

    The Cost of Defence

    ·26m
  75. 75

    Russia’s propaganda and China’s messaging on the conflict in Ukraine

    ·33m
  76. 76

    Climate insurance, AUKUS and non-proliferation, Philippines election

    ·51m
  77. 77

    Quad primer: India and Japan’s policy priorities

    ·33m
  78. 78

    The Bigger Picture: China-Solomon Islands security pact with Dr Euan Graham

    ·23m
  79. 79

    Future of the internet, US-ASEAN summit, Taliban’s opium ban

    ·40m
  80. 80

    Indonesia’s response to Ukraine conflict, Russia’s disinformation, digital development in SE Asia

    ·46m
  81. 81

    Foreign interference in Australia, the Federal Budget and northern Australia

    ·33m
  82. 82

    A conversation with Dr David Kilcullen

    ·26m
  83. 83

    Australia-India Cyber Partnership, with Lt Gen (Dr) Rajesh Pant

    ·22m
  84. 84

    In-conversation with Home Affairs’ Hamish Hansford. Cyber security & critical infrastructure

    Interview with Deputy Secretary Hamish Hansford on cyber security, supply chain security, and critical infrastructure protection in Australia.

    ·27m
  85. 85

    AUKUS and critical minerals, with the Honourable Kim Beazley AC

    Analysis of Australia's Critical Minerals Strategy and AUKUS collaboration on rare earths to address supply chain vulnerabilities.

    ·24m
  86. 86

    Anti-government protests in China, with Daria Impiombato and Vicky Xu

    An interview with an ASPI fellow providing on-the-ground insights into the unprecedented anti-government protests sweeping Chinese cities and their implications for the CCP's rule.

    ·22m
  87. 87

    Special: ICRC DG Robert Mardini & Norway's Military Representative to NATO, VADM Louise Dedichen

    ·47m
  88. 88

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Ambassador Baiba Braže

    ·23m
  89. 89

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: David Koh

    ·31m
  90. 90

    A conversation on Ukraine with Dr Yuriy Sak, Advisor to the Minister of Defence of Ukraine

    ·47m
  91. 91

    The Sydney Dialogue and opportunities in space, ASPI’s Critical Technology Tracker

    ·52m
  92. 92

    AUKUS, deterrence and US foreign policy with Becca Wasser

    ·30m
  93. 93

    AUKUS challenges and opportunities with Richard Fontaine, Lisa Curtis, and Alessio Patalano

    ·42m
  94. 94

    Diving into the AUKUS submarine announcement, with Bec Shrimpton and Malcolm Davis

    ·24m
  95. 95

    The future of peacekeeping and women, peace and security

    ·53m
  96. 96

    Opportunities for Australia in space, climate and food security

    ·38m
  97. 97

    Russia's war on Ukraine one year on and US foreign policy

    ·45m
  98. 98

    India’s foreign policy, information warfare, Australia-Netherlands cooperation

    ·46m
  99. 99

    Talking about Ukraine, Indonesia and ASEAN

    ·41m
  100. 100

    In-conversation with General David Berger on the Australia-US alliance and military strategy

    ·19m
  101. 101

    Policy, Guns and Money – that’s a wrap!

    Apr 10, 2024·3m
  102. 102

    Offensive cyber operations; election integrity and disinformation

    Hidden gem

    ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money links Emily Harding's discussion of offensive cyber operations with Chris Zapponi's analysis of election interference and disinformation.

    Feb 23, 2024·49m·2 clips
  103. 103

    Myanmar’s junta under pressure; geopolitics in the Pacific

    Feb 16, 2024·51m
  104. 104

    Ukraine, the Quad and an Australian maritime strategy

    Hidden gem

    Misha Zelinsky argues Ukraine has been given "just enough not to lose," while HIMARS and ATACMS arrived too late to change the pace.

    Dec 27, 2023·1h 26m·2 clips
  105. 105

    Air Force education, the WPS agenda and women’s rights

    Hidden gem

    ASPE's 'Policy, Guns and Money' moves from Brigadier General Linnell Letendra's U.S.

    Dec 22, 2023·1h 3m·4 clips
  106. 106

    AI horizons: Navigating regulations, safety, and the use of AI

    Hidden gem

    Gerard de Graaf, the European Union's Senior Envoy for Digital to the United States, describes the EU's risk-based AI Act approach, including prohibited social-credit and subliminal-manipulation systems.

    Dec 15, 2023·40m·2 clips
  107. 107

    How parliamentarians view cybersecurity and critical technology, with Gai Brodtmann

    Hidden gem

    56% of parliamentarians said paying ransoms should be illegal, 28% said legal, and the rest didn't know or didn't answer.

    Dec 8, 2023·23m·1 clip
  108. 108

    Professor Ian Hall on India, Australia, and the region

    Dec 2, 2023·28m
  109. 109

    Australia and space with Australia's Defence Space Commander

    Nov 24, 2023·35m
  110. 110

    Australia-Tuvalu Falepili Union, Philippines and the South China Sea

    Nov 17, 2023·42m
  111. 111

    Albanese trip to China, economic coercion, and diplomatic relations

    Nov 11, 2023·1h 6m
  112. 112

    Authoritarian AI, China and the metaverse

    Nov 3, 2023·43m
  113. 113

    Indo-Pacific security & partnerships: India, Australia & the US with Lisa Curtis & Raji Rajagopalan

    Oct 24, 2023·1h
  114. 114

    Geopolitics in Southeast Asia; Australia-Indonesia relations

    Oct 20, 2023·50m
  115. 115

    Hacking for Cash: Nadia Taggart and Anna Aquilina

    Oct 13, 2023·32m
  116. 116

    Defence innovation with Sean Singleton

    Oct 6, 2023·34m
  117. 117

    A modern look at deterrence with Brad Roberts

    Sep 29, 2023·25m
  118. 118

    The future of the international order with Kori Schake

    Sep 19, 2023·27m
  119. 119

    Cyber conflict, competition and cooperation with Jason Healey

    Hidden gem

    An interview with cyber policy expert Jason Healy discussing the evolution of US cyber policy and the importance of cybersecurity in national security strategy.

    Sep 4, 2023·38m·2 clips
  120. 120

    Ross Babbage on deterrence and defence strategy; jailed terrorists and the risk of reoffending

    Aug 28, 2023·36m
  121. 121

    The Bigger Picture: AUSMIN 2023 with John Coyne and Euan Graham

    Aug 18, 2023·33m
  122. 122

    Hacking for Cash: Francis Gurry, Nigel Corey, and Elizabeth Chien-Hale

    Aug 11, 2023·55m
  123. 123

    The Bigger Picture: AUSMIN 2023 with Alex Bristow and Jennifer Parker

    Jul 27, 2023·26m
  124. 124

    Hacking for Cash: Dustin McCormack and Callie Aboaf

    Jul 20, 2023·20m
  125. 125

    Smooth Sailing in the Indo-Pacific, and strategic mapping in the Indian Ocean

    Jul 17, 2023·46m
  126. 126

    Hacking for Cash: Chris Painter and Justin Bassi

    Jul 7, 2023·54m
  127. 127

    US-Australia alliance: Special operations forces cooperation & strengthening the alliance

    Jun 30, 2023·44m
  128. 128

    AUKUS and critical minerals, with the Honourable Kim Beazley AC

    Discussion of Australia's Critical Minerals Strategy and AUKUS collaboration on rare earths to address supply chain vulnerabilities.

    Jun 23, 2023·24m
  129. 129

    In-conversation with Home Affairs’ Hamish Hansford. Cyber security & critical infrastructure

    Jun 15, 2023·27m
  130. 130

    Defence Strategic Review & implications for the maritime domain; Delhi's role in the Indo-Pacific

    Jun 7, 2023·57m
  131. 131

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: David Waterhouse

    Jun 2, 2023·22m
  132. 132

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Kestutis Budrys

    May 26, 2023·35m
  133. 133

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Misha Zelinsky

    May 22, 2023·21m
  134. 134

    Beijing’s propaganda, climate and Australia’s national security, federal budget & Defence spending

    May 12, 2023·46m
  135. 135

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Dr Dirk Hager

    May 10, 2023·22m
  136. 136

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Heather Richman, Linda Lourie & John Leslie

    May 5, 2023·24m
  137. 137

    Unpacking Australia’s Defence Strategic Review

    Analysis of Australia's Defence Strategic Review and its implications for the ADF's future capabilities and deterrence strategy.

    May 1, 2023·45m
  138. 138

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Ylli Bajraktari

    Apr 28, 2023·27m
  139. 139

    Special: ICRC DG Robert Mardini & Norway's Military Representative to NATO, VADM Louise Dedichen

    Apr 21, 2023·47m
  140. 140

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: Ambassador Baiba Braže

    Apr 18, 2023·23m
  141. 141

    The Sydney Dialogue Summit Sessions: David Koh

    Apr 14, 2023·31m
  142. 142

    A conversation on Ukraine with Dr Yuriy Sak, Advisor to the Minister of Defence of Ukraine

    Apr 3, 2023·47m
  143. 143

    The Sydney Dialogue and opportunities in space, ASPI’s Critical Technology Tracker

    Mar 31, 2023·52m
  144. 144

    AUKUS, deterrence and US foreign policy with Becca Wasser

    Mar 27, 2023·30m
  145. 145

    AUKUS challenges and opportunities with Richard Fontaine, Lisa Curtis, and Alessio Patalano

    Mar 23, 2023·42m
  146. 146

    Diving into the AUKUS submarine announcement, with Bec Shrimpton and Malcolm Davis

    Analysis of the AUKUS submarine pathway announcement and its implications for Australian defense and regional security.

    Mar 15, 2023·24m
  147. 147

    The future of peacekeeping and women, peace and security

    Mar 10, 2023·53m
  148. 148

    Opportunities for Australia in space, climate and food security

    Mar 3, 2023·38m
  149. 149

    Russia's war on Ukraine one year on and US foreign policy

    Feb 24, 2023·45m
  150. 150

    India’s foreign policy, information warfare, Australia-Netherlands cooperation

    Feb 17, 2023·46m