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Stop Prompting, Start Delegating: Agentic AI with Christopher Penn

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Purpose, people, process, platform, performance: Penn walks the Trust Insights 5P framework through making an omelette.

1. The Agents of Change episode 616 covers agentic AI, meaning tools like Claude Cowork that take on whole projects instead of answering single prompts, under the title "Stop Prompting, Start Delegating." 2. Host Rich Brooks of Flight New Media interviews Christopher Penn, co-founder and chief data scientist of Trust Insights, who began working in AI in 2013 and wrote "Almost Timeless, 48 Foundation Principles of Generative AI." 3. Penn's thesis is that "the people who are going to be best at agentic AI are the people who are the best at delegating," and he says Andrej Karpathy's 2023 line about English as the hottest programming language has become "project management skills" in 2026. 4. Penn frames AI use as "done by you," "done with you" (GPTs, Gems, n8n, Make, Zapier) and "done for you," and compares skipping ahead to Africa's jump to 4G and 5G without wired infrastructure. 5. He describes a harness as the car around the model's engine, with regular Claude as a car you drive and Claude Cowork as a self-driving car, and lists alternatives: OpenAI's Codex, Google Antigravity, Alibaba's Quen code, and Visual Studio Code with Klein or Kilo Code. 6. He explains the Trust Insights 5P framework using an omelette example, and says defining success, such as "100% test coverage, 100% unit tests passing," keeps an agent iterating from 98% until it hits the target. 7. On privacy, Penn notes that email, calendars and QuickBooks already sit with big tech, advises never using free tiers for business, and describes running local AI, with DuckDuckGo search behind a VPN and Tor, so that data never leaves his computer. 8. His starter path is the $20-a-month Claude subscription with 11 built-in plugins (marketing, sales, legal, operations, data analysis), fed by a voice-memo transcript describing the business, including his own 82% tariff example. 9. He says he had an agent audit his newsletter of almost 300,000 subscribers, which earns "five digits" and could reach seven, and it returned 82 missed opportunities and a work plan, which he calls "the excuse eliminator." 10. Suited to marketers and small-business owners weighing their first agentic AI tools.

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