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How Gardening Can Help With Food Literacy + Watching Feel Good / Happy Movies with Michelle Davis (NYT Best Selling Cookbook Author)

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Michelle says "One of Them Days" feels like a tonic because it follows two women trying to make rent in one day.

1. Inside and Outside with Jessica Murnane and Michelle Davis centers on gardening, food literacy, and feel-good movies. 2. Jessica Murnane is the host, horticultural therapy practitioner, and founder of Basker; Michelle Davis is a New York Times bestselling cookbook author and newsletter writer. 3. The episode asks how plants, food, and pop culture can support daily life without turning into a lecture. 4. Jessica opens with "reason number seven" for growing things: bees, butterflies, and hummingbirds. 5. She tells a family story about her cousin Gordon, a butterfly at his burial, and a street named Gordon. 6. Michelle describes a childhood memory of mint growing along a friend's backyard in Boise, Idaho. 7. She and Jessica connect that mint smell to play, make-believe animal games, and a sense of wilderness in an ordinary yard. 8. Michelle says she has stayed close with that childhood friend and still has letters they sent as kids. 9. Jessica and Michelle talk about how those friendships shaped confidence, bravery, and a sense of voice. 10. Jessica brings up a study by Christian Vogel and Megan Grubb called "Understanding Food Literacy in Urban Gardens." 11. Michelle relates the study to her time cashiering at Whole Foods, where new staff had to learn produce like cilantro, parsley, mushrooms, and different apples. 12. Jessica says gardening teaches people what cucumbers are and what can be done with them beyond simple identification. 13. They discuss food deserts, adults with low food literacy, and the way supermarkets often limit what people see. 14. Michelle says seasonality matters because peaches in February will not taste as well as peaches in summer. 15. She argues that organic produce and off-season produce are still better than no fruits or vegetables at all. 16. Jessica asks Michelle about seed oils, and Michelle says the bigger problem is the wider field of environmental toxins, petrochemicals, and plastics. 17. Michelle names One of Them Days, starring Palmer and SZA and produced by Issa Rae, as her current inside obsession. 18. She says the movie is a "tonic" because it is a one-day story about two women, friendship, rent, and humor. 19. The interview style is warm, conversational, and full of practical digressions about gardens, grocery stores, and movies. 20. Listeners who like food systems, gardening, and low-stakes comedy will fit this episode, while people wanting a tightly edited, plot-driven interview may skip it.

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