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We Get /srs With Meet the Mess

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Taylor Swift disses Charli XCX - I'm pissed she's tearing down a feminist who's more outspoken than her.
How to Be Less Old hosts Deanna and Emily discuss Taylor Swift's new album with Meet the Mess's Jen Lancaster and Karen Bosnick, plus Gen Z correspondent Sarah. Discussion covers album quality assessment, controversial Charli XCX diss track, Taylor's political silence on women's rights and Roe, generational divisions about feminism and independence, and the tension between celebrity role models and personal autonomy.

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Taylor Swift chatter opens into a funny, messy conversation about age, slang, marriage, and wanting what you want.

Taylor Swift is the hook, but the real draw is the way the conversation drifts into age, slang, and the pressure on women to want the right things.

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You want Taylor Swift reactions that spill into tone indicators and a very human argument about what people want from marriage, motherhood, and ambition.

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