The Energetic Healer Who Assisted The Search For Frank McGonigle - ATC International

March 12, 2026·34 min·3 clips

Carol Williams felt a shove from Frank McGonigle's spirit, revealing he was shot in the head and propped against a tree.

Carol Williams starts with energy. She tells Michelle Laurie she does not read minds, but she can sometimes see what is happening in a person's life once she is close enough to talk. It is not cute party trick territory. At its worst, walking past someone in a grocery store could leave her warning them about a tire before they reached the car. Michelle gives her room, and the conversation moves into the missing man's case with Jim Cosgrove nearby. The host admits Carol and she both love a chat, which gives the episode a little air. The family wanted answers. Carol remembers the relief of a loved one saying a headstone was enough, because he would always be with them now. That part lands quietly. The episode does not chase drama. It stays with what certainty can mean after a long absence and a painful unknown. Then Carol changes gear and owns one of her misses: a missing stepdaughter case where a detective suspected the father and she kept hearing Grateful Dead in her head. She kept it to herself because it sounded too odd, then later learned the girl had turned up in Washington at a Grateful Dead concert. Michelle meets the story with warmth. The exchange keeps the show's tone steady: grave subject, open-minded guest, dry humour when everyone needs it. Carol also insists everybody can do this, tying her ability to ordinary moments like deja vu rather than spectacle. Michelle closes by thanking Jim Cosgrove and Carol Williams, pointing listeners to the book Ripple, and giving Lifeline, 1800 RESPECT, and 13YARN support details.

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A loose, unsettling conversation with clairvoyant Carol Williams about Frank McGonigle, family answers, and the strange edges of investigation.

Australian True Crime International takes a strange, intimate turn with clairvoyant Carol Williams, who says she helped in the search for missing man Frank McGonigle.

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