Unravelling

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Mental health, patiently made human.

The gist

Unravelling treats mental health as a lens for ordinary life, art, family, memory, and collective pain. Its conversations move patiently between professional explanation, personal story, and the emotional meanings beneath public events or private struggles.

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About Unravelling

Unravelling is built around the idea that mental health changes how people see nearly everything. That gives it a wide field. One episode may explain the differences among therapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, social workers, and the informal confidants people lean on. Another may sit with grief as something visible in one person and almost hidden in another. The show’s rhythm is careful and spacious, with questions that set a frame before asking for emotional truth. It is not afraid of clinical terms. It also takes time to translate them back into everyday life, which keeps the conversations grounded rather than sealed inside professional language. Recent episodes show a strong interest in the meeting point between illness and creativity. Betsy Lerner speaks about bipolar disorder, psychiatric hospitalization, shame, family therapy, medication, and the wish to destigmatize what families often hide. Peter Mendelssohn’s work opens another route into depression, using journals and painting as material for thinking about severe alienation. The show also returns to grief and mourning, including personal loss, remembered music, and the ways people hold each other through absence. Its social reach is broader than individual treatment. Angela Harrelson’s conversation about George Floyd brings public mourning, police violence, memory, justice, and healing into a mental health frame. Unravelling can be playful, too. A run of episodes on collaborative role-play and Dungeons and Dragons treats fantasy characters as practice space for responsibility, self-forgiveness, fear, harm, and repair. That looseness matters because the show is not only explaining distress; it is interested in how people rehearse new ways of being. Its best moments happen when a story, a diagnosis, and a feeling are all allowed to exist together. The show suits listeners who want serious mental health discussion with warmth, clarity, and enough patience to follow the complicated parts.

Made for: For listeners drawn to reflective mental health conversations that connect therapy, grief, creativity, diagnosis, and lived experience. It suits people who prefer careful explanation and human stories over quick advice.

What sets it apart: Unravelling stands apart by moving between clinical framing, literature, family memory, public grief, and even tabletop role-play. It makes abstract psychological ideas legible through lived scenes rather than reducing them to tips.

In their own words

How can a deeper understanding of mental health help us see our world, and ourselves, differently? Hosted by therapist Kurt White and journalist Mary Wilson, each episode of Unravelling explores a complex mental health topic with insights from both professionals and people with lived experience. Whether you're trying to make sense of the world or just the slice of it inside of your head, Unravelling is here to foster a more compassionate and informed perspective on life.

As heard by us

Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Clinical detail, lived experience and creative practice meet in a mental-health show that makes difficult subjects easier to name.

Unravelling moves between psychiatric diagnosis, lived experience, literature and group therapy without flattening them into one kind of mental-health conversation.

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Dungeons & Dragons becomes rehearsal for your inner critic, complete with the occasional nat-one disaster.

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  • a therapist and journalist translating bipolar complexity without sanding off the lived experience
  • to see a disastrous dice roll become practice for giving yourself grace
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Best episodes of Unravelling

Short reviews from the PlayNext desk, based on the episodes we processed.

Unravelling Adventure!: Real Play D&D/CRIT Demo (Pt 1)May 8, 2026

A tabletop adventure that treats role-play as a route into mental health while keeping the tone playful.

Unravelling uses a tabletop Dungeons and Dragons adventure to get at a core idea about mental health: role-playing can help people try on parts of themselves and talk through what surfaces.

We make the story together: Collaborative role-play groupsApr 22, 2026

Tabletop play becomes a way to talk about responsibility, self-blame, and self-talk.

Unravelling uses collaborative role-play to open up a conversation about responsibility, self-blame, and the stories people build around mistakes.

Not just a mood swing: Untangling the Bipolar spectrumApr 8, 2026

A grounded look at bipolar disorder, from mania and depression to diagnosis and overlap with ADHD.

The episode takes on bipolar disorder with a careful eye on how easily the condition can be flattened. Mary Wilson and Kurt White move through mania, hypomania, and depression while also pointing to the way media coverage can turn a complex illness into something more…

Shred Sisters: Understanding Bipolar Disorder through Literature and Lived ExperienceJan 28, 2026

A careful conversation about mental health, shame, and the work of naming what families hide.

Betsy Lerner's conversation about mental health and family dynamics moves from shame to hospitalization, and then to the harder work of naming what a family would rather keep hidden.

The riddles within: Crosswords, anorexia, and feminist historyDec 18, 2024

Crosswords become a lens for language, identity, and difficult personal histories.

The conversation centers on Anna Schechtman's work on The Riddle of the Sphinx, crosswords, and the way language can shape identity and conflict, with the hosts framing her as both a noted crossword creator and a Cornell literature professor.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Let's make some sawdust: Tom Bodett on woodworking & recovery

    Hidden gem

    Tom Bodett connects his 34 years of sobriety with returning to woodworking after he stopped drinking.

    Sep 23, 2026·42m·2 clips
  2. 2

    What the circus can teach us about mental health

    Sep 9, 2026·31m
  3. 3

    Releasing with joy: Inside hoarding recovery

    Aug 26, 2026·42m
  4. 4

    It’s not about clutter: Why we misunderstand hoarding

    Aug 12, 2026·50m
  5. 5

    Extension of your mind: Navigating complexity beyond the individual

    Jul 29, 2026·50m
  6. 6

    Who deserves to exist?: The dark history of eugenics

    Jul 15, 2026·42m
  7. 7

    The ethics of ought (not) to: Conversion practices

    Jun 30, 2026·42m
  8. 8

    The burden compounds: Conversion practices

    Jun 17, 2026·43m
  9. 9

    Made to Want to Change: Conversion Practices

    Jun 3, 2026·48m
  10. 10

    Unravelling Adventure!: Conclusion/Part 2

    May 20, 2026·1h 4m
  11. 11

    Unravelling Adventure!: Real Play D&D/CRIT Demo (Pt 1)

    Hidden gem

    The episode begins with a warning.

    May 8, 2026·58m·5 clips
  12. 12

    We make the story together: Collaborative role-play groups

    Hidden gem

    Mary Wilson and Kurt White open by asking how people learn through stories.

    Apr 22, 2026·42m·2 clips
  13. 13

    Not just a mood swing: Untangling the Bipolar spectrum

    Hidden gem

    Unravelling turns to bipolar disorder.

    Apr 8, 2026·39m·3 clips
  14. 14

    Now we hold each other up: Angela Harrelson on the legacy of George Floyd and the path to collective healing

    This episode features an interview with Angela Harrelson, the aunt of George Floyd, discussing his legacy, collective healing, and the mental health impacts of his death and the subsequent protests.

    Mar 25, 2026·44m
  15. 15

    Giving the music life: Remembering Dad one record at a time

    This episode explores the universal human experience of grief and loss, discussing how people process it differently and the role of support systems in coping.

    Mar 11, 2026·40m
  16. 16

    Comfortably uncomfortable: An introduction to psychotherapy

    This episode introduces psychotherapy by having the hosts interview their own psychotherapist co-host to explain what psychotherapy is, how it works, and the differences between various mental health professionals.

    Feb 25, 2026·44m
  17. 17

    A Cage on Mars: Peter Mendelsund on Depression's Alienation

    This episode features an interview with author Peter Mendelsund about his book 'Exhibitionist', which combines his personal journal from a period of severe depression with paintings he created as a coping mechanism.

    Feb 11, 2026·42m
  18. 18

    Shred Sisters: Understanding Bipolar Disorder through Literature and Lived Experience

    Hidden gem

    Betsy Lerner joins Kurt White and Mary Wilson for a conversation about mental health, literature, and family life.

    Jan 28, 2026·36m·2 clips
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    Treat the poison: MLK Jr.'s challenge to mental health

    Jan 14, 2026·41m
  20. 20

    Tending the wound, holding the vision

    Dec 31, 2025·43m
  21. 21

    No neutral ground: Navigating the political self

    Dec 17, 2025·56m
  22. 22

    Architecture of the self: Gene expression, environment, and adaptation

    Dec 3, 2025·30m
  23. 23

    Architecture of the self: Unlocking neuroplasticity

    Nov 19, 2025·43m
  24. 24

    Architecture of the Self: Memory, Dissociation, and Traumatic Experiences

    Nov 5, 2025·45m
  25. 25

    Architecture of the Self: Diagnosis

    Oct 22, 2025·41m
  26. 26

    Be yourself, it takes a lifetime: Gary Gulman

    Oct 8, 2025·39m
  27. 27

    Demystifying non-suicidal self-injury

    Sep 24, 2025·40m
  28. 28

    Youth and suicide in a social media world

    Sep 10, 2025·35m
  29. 29

    Our recipes, ourselves: The cultural psychology of food

    Aug 27, 2025·39m
  30. 30

    Large group dynamics and the origins of human aggression

    Aug 13, 2025·43m
  31. 31

    A certain weakness in us: Destructive followership, obedience and authority

    Jul 30, 2025·51m
  32. 32

    A barrier exists: Disability justice and the social construction of disability

    Jul 16, 2025·40m
  33. 33

    Asking questions and maintaining curiosity: Embracing gender exploration in youth

    Jun 30, 2025·30m
  34. 34

    Soundtracks of the self: Protection and expression in (unsafe) spaces

    Jun 18, 2025·41m
  35. 35

    Queering the self: Finding the space to show up as you are

    Jun 4, 2025·39m
  36. 36

    The space between us: Healing in groups across difference

    May 21, 2025·40m
  37. 37

    Group therapy: The room that reflects you back

    May 7, 2025·40m
  38. 38

    Creativity as a lifeline: Healing trauma through expression

    Apr 23, 2025·32m
  39. 39

    Saying "yes" to our creative impulse

    Apr 9, 2025·49m
  40. 40

    Finding the self online: Identity, algorithms, and the digital mirror

    Mar 26, 2025·47m
  41. 41

    AI-Generated empathy: Chatbots and the future of mental health

    Mar 12, 2025·47m
  42. 42

    Intersectionality, systemic barriers, and Black women's mental health

    Feb 26, 2025·32m
  43. 43

    The psychology of the Black experience

    Feb 12, 2025·42m
  44. 44

    The opportunity in curiosity: The personal and social relationship with alcohol

    This episode explores the complex personal and social relationships people have with alcohol, particularly reflecting on experiences like dry January and discussing how alcohol is woven into everyday life.

    Jan 29, 2025·28m
  45. 45

    What you don't know about alcohol

    Jan 15, 2025·39m
  46. 46

    In Conversation: Redefining eating disorder language, treatment and recovery

    Jan 1, 2025·49m
  47. 47

    The riddles within: Crosswords, anorexia, and feminist history

    Hidden gem

    The Brattleboro Literary Festival interview turns to Anna Schechtman's book, The Riddle of the Sphinx.

    Dec 18, 2024·40m·2 clips
  48. 48

    Reading a room you've been locked into: Eating (disorders), bodies, and society

    Dec 4, 2024·36m
  49. 49

    Family estrangement: Breaking ties, building community

    Nov 20, 2024·42m
  50. 50

    Democracy and distress: The mental health impact of politics

    Nov 6, 2024·41m
  51. 51

    The embodied wisdom of peer-led approaches

    Oct 23, 2024·32m
  52. 52

    A radical approach to listening and creativity: Lessons from Open Dialogue

    This episode explores the limitations of mainstream mental health systems and introduces the Open Dialogue approach through a conversation between a journalist and a psychotherapist who shares early career experiences in a challenging long-term care facility.

    Oct 9, 2024·33m
  53. 53

    The struggle for a life worth living: the social roots of youth suicide

    Sep 25, 2024·31m
  54. 54

    Not alone, not a burden: broadening the dialogue on suicide

    This episode explores the importance of discussing suicide openly, featuring insights from a psychotherapist who has both professional and personal experience with the topic.

    Sep 10, 2024·35m
  55. 55

    Relax! Nothing is under control

    Aug 28, 2024·31m
  56. 56

    Abiding in grief: finding our humanity in love and loss

    Aug 14, 2024·32m
  57. 57

    Closing the final curtain: A death doula's wisdom and a personal journey

    Jul 31, 2024·24m
  58. 58

    Encountering one's self in living and dying

    Jul 17, 2024·34m
  59. 59

    Gender-affirming care is a lifesaving mental health intervention

    This episode features an interview with Dallas Ducar, a trans woman and psychiatric nurse practitioner, discussing gender-affirming care as a critical mental health intervention for the transgender community.

    Jul 3, 2024·30m
  60. 60

    Mental health needs in the transgender community

    Jun 26, 2024·25m
  61. 61

    Introducing Unravelling

    Jun 9, 2024·1m