The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers

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Craft, publishing, and sustainable author business.

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The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers treats writing as both art and livelihood. Episodes move between sentence-level craft, editing, creative confidence, book marketing, direct sales, publishing news, and the emotional realities of long-term creative work.

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About The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers

The Creative Penn Podcast For Writers is a long-running resource for authors who want to improve their writing while building a viable creative business. Joanna Penn brings a working writer’s perspective to both sides of the desk: the craft of making books and the commercial systems that help those books reach readers. The show is practical first. It talks about self-editing, professional editors, beta readers, sensitivity readers, audio editing, strong sentences, deep character, emotion, and the patience required for difficult books. It also treats publishing as an ecosystem. Recent episodes move through newsletters, direct sales, special editions, library outreach, Kickstarter, BookFunnel promotions, Kindle Unlimited versus wide distribution, London Book Fair, and the changing status of indie authors. The advice tends to favor fit over formulas. A conversation about low-key marketing makes room for authors who do not want to rely on social media or become experts in ads. A discussion of post-traumatic growth and change turns toward shiny-object pressure, neurodivergence in creative industries, and the need to ask whether a new platform actually suits an author business. The craft conversations are just as grounded. Poetry becomes a way to refresh attention to sound and image. Character work is treated as something that can be studied across years of interviews. Conversations with writers such as Anne Lamott, Neal Allen, Matt Cardin, Roz Morris, Alicia Jo Rabins, and Jack Williamson bring in self-doubt, the muse, uncertainty, creative confidence, portfolio careers, slow marketing, and making without permission. The show has a reflective rhythm, with personal notes and publishing news before the main section. It is warm without being vague. It is ambitious without pushing hustle. For writers trying to build a sustainable body of work, it offers steady companionship and concrete next steps.

Made for: For indie authors, aspiring novelists, and working writers who want practical craft guidance alongside realistic publishing and marketing strategy. It especially suits creators building long-term careers outside a single prescribed path.

What sets it apart: The show combines hands-on writing craft with a seasoned indie-author view of publishing tools, marketing, and creative resilience. Its strongest thread is sustainability: choosing practices that fit the writer rather than chasing every trend.

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Writing Craft and Creative Business

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Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Joanna Penn connects writing practice to the marketing, ownership, and career decisions that turn authorship into a sustainable business.

Joanna Penn treats authorship as both creative practice and operating business, pairing publishing commentary with detailed guest conversations.

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The messy draft on your desk meets book marketing that doesn't require an extrovert costume.

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  • help writing emotion when 'show, don't tell' has stopped being helpful
  • permission to let a book take time while you discover what it is
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Special Editions, Seasonal Podcasts, and the Art of Low-Key Book Marketing with Sara RosettApr 13, 2026

Joanna Penn and Sarah Rosette discuss newsletters, promotions, and library outreach for reserved authors.

Joanna Penn and Sarah Rosette discuss book marketing that does not depend on social media. Both describe themselves as reserved introverts, and Rosette is candid about what feels comfortable. A street team did not suit her readers or genre.

Writing At The Wellspring: Tapping The Source Of Your Inner Genius With Matt CardinMar 30, 2026

Joanna Penn and Matt Carden consider the muse, creative silence, and uncertainty in a writing life.

Joanna Penn and Matt Carden talk about the muse, the inner genius, and what a quiet spell in a writer's life might hold. Carden remembers wanting to write from childhood: books enchanted him before he could read them, and he wanted to tell stories of his own.

Writing Emotion, Discovery Writing, And Slow Sustainable Book Marketing With Roz MorrisMar 9, 2026

Ros Morris talks about slow books, finding readers, and the changing options for indie authors.

Joanna Penn and Ros Morris talk about the uneven pace of writing a book and finding its readers. Morris describes the chaos of discovery writing and why some books take a long time.

Creative Confidence, Portfolio Careers, And Making Without Permission with Alicia Jo RabinsMar 2, 2026

Joanna Penn and Alicia Jo Rabins discuss creative confidence and starting without a fixed outcome.

Joanna Penn and Alicia Jo Rabins talk about creative confidence, portfolio careers and the freedom to make something before knowing where it will lead.

Post-Traumatic Growth, Creative Marketing, And Dealing With Change with Jack WilliamsonFeb 23, 2026

A reason for authors to pause before chasing the next platform.

Joanna Penn and Jack Williamson talk about change from several angles: post-traumatic growth, creative marketing, and what the music industry can teach authors about technology. Williamson's clearest advice comes when he turns to new platforms.

Audacious Artistry: Reclaiming Your Creative Identity And Thriving In A Saturated World With Lara Bianca PilcherFeb 16, 2026

Pilcher's move from performance to writing opens a conversation about creative identity and rhythm.

Joanna Penn and Lara Bianca Pilcher talk about what happens when an artist can no longer work in a familiar form. Pilcher had worked in dance, singing, and acting, but a visa problem after her move to America left her unable to work legally. She began writing at home.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Producing AI-Narrated Audiobooks Using ElevenLabs With Simon Patrick

    ·47m
  2. 2

    Writing At The Wellspring: Tapping The Source Of Your Inner Genius With Matt Cardin

    ·1h 4m
  3. 3

    Strong Verbs And Hard Truths. Good Writing With Anne Lamott and Neal Allen

    ·1h 5m
  4. 4

    Writing Characters: 15 Actionable Tips For Writing Deep Character

    ·1h 19m
  5. 5

    Writing Emotion, Discovery Writing, And Slow Sustainable Book Marketing With Roz Morris

    ·1h 16m
  6. 6

    Creative Confidence, Portfolio Careers, And Making Without Permission with Alicia Jo Rabins

    ·56m
  7. 7

    Post-Traumatic Growth, Creative Marketing, And Dealing With Change with Jack Williamson

    ·1h 9m
  8. 8

    Audacious Artistry: Reclaiming Your Creative Identity And Thriving In A Saturated World With Lara Bianca Pilcher

    ·1h 5m
  9. 9

    Managing Multiple Projects And The Art of the Long-Term Author Career with Kevin J. Anderson

    ·1h 3m
  10. 10

    Research Like An Academic, Write Like an Indie With Melissa Addey

    ·1h 2m
  11. 11

    Selling Books Live On Social Media With Adam Beswick

    ·1h 6m
  12. 12

    Writing The Shadow: The Creative Wound, Publishing, And Money, With Joanna Penn

    ·1h 34m
  13. 13

    Leaving Social Media, Writing Iconic Characters, and Building Trust With Claire Taylor

  14. 14

    Review Of My 2025 Creative And Business Goals With Joanna Penn

  15. 15

    The Relaxed Author Writing Tips With Joanna Penn and Mark Leslie Lefebvre

  16. 16

    Two Different Approaches To Selling Books Direct With Sacha Black And Joanna Penn

    ·1h 19m
  17. 17

    Writing Free: Romance Author Jennifer Probst On A Long-Term Author Career

    ·1h 3m
  18. 18

    Writing The Future, And Being More Human In An Age of AI With Jamie Metzl

    ·1h 2m
  19. 19

    Lessons Learned From Author Nation 2025 With Joanna Penn

    ·1h 20m
  20. 20

    Why Structure Matters More Than You Think. Writing Memoir With Wendy Dale

    ·54m
  21. 21

    Creating While Caring With Donn King

    ·1h 2m
  22. 22

    Loki Is In Charge. How Authors Can Thrive In A Time Of Transition With Becca Syme

    ·1h 5m
  23. 23

    Performance Tips For Authors, And Writing Climate Fiction With Laura Baggaley

    ·1h 10m
  24. 24

    Brand Something Beautiful: How Authors Can Stand Out In A Crowded Market with Steve Brock

    ·1h 18m
  25. 25

    How to Pivot Careers, Co-Write Books, And Stay Connected As A Remote Creative With Pilar Orti

    ·1h 19m
  26. 26

    Amazon Advertising For Books With Geoff Affleck

    ·58m
  27. 27

    Writing Fan Fiction, And Multi-Passionate Creativity With KimBoo York

    ·1h 9m
  28. 28

    Writing And Publishing Short Stories And Poetry With J.F. Penn And Orna Ross

    ·1h 20m
  29. 29

    Writing Short Stories, Publishing Collaboration, And Podcasting, With Clay Vermulm

    ·1h 8m
  30. 30

    The Art And Business Of Literary Translation With Dani James

    ·1h 6m
  31. 31

    Book Marketing Tips For Fiction And Non-Fiction Authors With Joanna Penn

    ·1h 9m
  32. 32

    Researching And Writing Family History Or Genealogy With TL Whalan

    ·58m
  33. 33

    Writing And Directing Audio Drama And The Constant Creator Mindset With Alison Haselden

    ·1h
  34. 34

    The Artisan Author With Johnny B Truant

    ·1h 2m
  35. 35

    How To Get More Book Reviews With Joe Walters

    ·1h 5m
  36. 36

    Writing For Audio First With Jules Horne

    ·57m
  37. 37

    Editing a Novel: Self-Editing, And How To Work With A Professional Editor With Joanna Penn

    ·1h 17m
  38. 38

    How To Pitch Podcasts And Be A Great Podcast Guest With Matty Dalrymple

    ·57m
  39. 39

    Finding Your Voice, Writing Across Genre And Loving Book Marketing With Betsy Lerner

    ·56m
  40. 40

    Book Discoverability In An Age Of AI. GEO For Authors With Thomas Umstattd Jr.

    ·58m
  41. 41

    Casting A Wider Net: Author Brand And The Writing Business With JD Barker

    ·59m
  42. 42

    Music, Writing, And The Mind-Body Connection With Jennifer Roig-Francoli

    ·1h 3m
  43. 43

    Crafting Story Worlds, Creative Control, And Leveraging AI Tools With Dave Morris

    ·1h 1m
  44. 44

    Embracing Change: How To Flux with April Rinne

    ·1h 4m
  45. 45

    Language, Line Breaks, And Punctuation. Poetry With Abi Pollokoff

    ·1h 4m
  46. 46

    Make Life Your Biggest Art Project: Pia Leichter On Writing, Creative Courage, And Changing Your Narrative

    ·1h 6m
  47. 47

    See, Do, Repeat: The Practice of Creative Entrepreneurship With Dr Rebecca White

    ·1h
  48. 48

    Expanding Audiobook Revenue Through YouTube And Podcasting With Derek Slaton

    ·57m
  49. 49

    Ebook Sales, Subscriptions, Audiobooks And Book Marketing With Tara Cremin From Kobo Writing Life

    ·58m
  50. 50

    Writing Memoir From A Life In Film With Gretchen McGowan

    ·1h
  51. 51

    Death Valley Audiobook Chapters And Book Marketing Tips With J.F Penn

    ·38m
  52. 52

    From Hollywood To Novels: TD Donnelly On Screenwriting, Adaptation, and Storytelling That Lasts

    ·1h 18m
  53. 53

    How Ordinary Drafts Become Extraordinary Books. Revisionaries With Kristopher Jansma

    ·57m
  54. 54

    Writing As A Tool For Grief And Dealing With Change With Karen Wyatt

  55. 55

    Intuition, Journaling, And Overcoming Fear. The Creative Cure With Jacob Nordby

    ·1h
  56. 56

    Writing Action Adventure And Traveling For Book Research With Luke Richardson

    ·1h 6m
  57. 57

    Kickstarter For Authors With Oriana Leckert

    ·57m
  58. 58

    The Happy Writer With Marissa Meyer

    ·59m
  59. 59

    Writing And Selling Short Stories With Douglas Smith

    ·1h 1m
  60. 60

    Aristotle for Novelists, And A Strategy For Selling More Books With Douglas Vigliotti

    ·57m
  61. 61

    Fair Use, Copyright, And Licensing. AI And The Author Business With Alicia Wright

    ·56m
  62. 62

    Building A Long Term Author Business, Dictation, Kickstarter, and Short Story Collections With Kevin J Anderson

    ·1h 4m
  63. 63

    Balancing Creativity With Building A Business, And Author Nation With Joe Solari

    ·1h 5m
  64. 64

    Writing Tips: Craft, Structure, and Voice With Kristen Tate

    ·1h 6m
  65. 65

    My 2025 Creative And Business Goals With Joanna Penn

    ·24m
  66. 66

    Review Of My 2024 Creative And Business Goals With Joanna Penn

    ·25m
  67. 67

    Creative Clarity: Focus, Self-Care, And A Little Bit Of Tough Love

    ·48m
  68. 68

    Book Proposals, Writing Non-Fiction, And Supercommunicators With Charles Duhigg

    ·54m
  69. 69

    Building A Business Ecosystem Around Non-Fiction Books With Michael Bungay Stanier

    ·53m
  70. 70

    Writing The Other And Self-Publishing in South Africa With Ashling McCarthy

    ·55m
  71. 71

    The Intuitive Author With Tiffany Yates Martin

    ·1h 7m
  72. 72

    Writing Memoir And Dealing With Haters With Natalie Maclean

    ·1h 3m
  73. 73

    Dark Tourism And Self-Publishing Premium Print Books With Images With Leon Mcanally

    ·46m
  74. 74

    Self-Publishing A Second Edition Of A Non-Fiction Book With Gin Stephens

    ·1h 6m
  75. 75

    Writing Horror With Boris Bacic

    ·1h 5m
  76. 76

    Scaling An Author Business With Rachel McLean

    ·1h 3m
  77. 77

    7 Lessons Learned From Over 10 Million Downloads Of The Creative Penn Podcast

    ·38m
  78. 78

    Writing Historical Fiction And Non-Fiction With Emily E K Murdoch

    ·1h 3m
  79. 79

    Author Mindset, Writing And Marketing Non-Fiction With Ariel Curry

    ·58m
  80. 80

    How To Make Readers Laugh. Writing Humour With Dave Cohen

    ·1h 2m
  81. 81

    Selling Books In Person At Live Events With Mark Lefebvre

    ·1h 9m
  82. 82

    Pivoting Genres And Growing An Author Business With Sacha Black

    ·1h 2m
  83. 83

    Lessons Learned from 13 Years as an Author Entrepreneur

    ·33m
  84. 84

    Self-Publishing Training Manuals And Focusing On Your True Fans With Guy Windsor

    ·1h 6m
  85. 85

    Writing Horror And Selling Direct With David Viergutz

    ·58m
  86. 86

    Author Mindset Tips And Publishing In Germany With AD Wilk

    ·1h 3m
  87. 87

    A Touch of the Madness: Creativity In Writing And Filmmaking With Larry Kasanoff

    ·1h 2m
  88. 88

    Artificial Intelligence (AI) In Publishing With Thad McIlroy

    ·1h 10m
  89. 89

    Heart. Soul. Pen. Find Your Voice on the Page With Robin Finn

    ·1h 1m
  90. 90

    Pivoting Genres And Writing Historical Fiction With Anna Sayburn Lane

    ·1h 2m
  91. 91

    Writing Emotion With Roz Morris

    ·1h 16m
  92. 92

    Intuitive Discovery Writing And Serial Fiction With KimBoo York

    ·55m
  93. 93

    Preparing Your Manuscript For Pitching Agents With Renee Fountain

    ·1h
  94. 94

    Turn Words Into Wealth With Aurora Winter

    ·1h 12m
  95. 95

    Writing Hard Truths And Tips For Writing Non-Fiction With Efren Delgado

    ·1h
  96. 96

    Crafting Stories, Finding Readers And Selling Direct With Ines Johnson

    ·1h 7m
  97. 97

    2026 Trends And Predictions For Indie Authors And The Book Publishing Industry with Joanna Penn

    Joanna Penn shares her predictions and trends for indie authors and the book publishing industry in 2026, along with insights from various experts.

    ·1h 11m
  98. 98

    My 2026 Creative And Business Goals With Joanna Penn

    Joanna Penn shares her creative and business goals for 2026, including finishing her master's degree and continuing a slow pivot from author entrepreneurship.

    ·37m
  99. 99

    Writing, Self-Publishing And Marketing Books For Children With Darcy Pattison

    Joanna Penn interviews Darcy Pattison about writing, self-publishing, and marketing children's books, covering challenges, illustrators, printing, and sales.

    ·1h 1m
  100. 100

    Overcoming Procrastination With Colleen M. Story

    Joanna Penn interviews Colleen Story about overcoming procrastination for writers, covering types of procrastination and mindset issues.

    ·1h 12m
  101. 101

    Special Editions, Seasonal Podcasts, and the Art of Low-Key Book Marketing with Sara Rosett

    Hidden gem

    Joanna Penn opens with Becca Syme's line about the level of uncertainty in the industry and the world, then points to walking, journaling, and other controllable routines.

    Apr 13, 2026·1h 4m·4 clips
  102. 102

    Editing a Novel: Self-Editing, And How To Work With A Professional Editor With Joanna Penn

    Joanna Penn discusses self-editing, working with professional editors, beta readers, and knowing when editing is finished, based on chapters from her audiobook.

    Apr 6, 2026·1h 17m
  103. 103

    Writing At The Wellspring: Tapping The Source Of Your Inner Genius With Matt Cardin

    Hidden gem

    Joanna Penn opens with Robert Topping's line that "the cost of the book is the time it takes to read it," then uses Toppings Independent Bookshops in Bath to show how physical bookstores think about shelf space, 55% discounts, and returning stock.

    Mar 30, 2026·1h 4m·4 clips
  104. 104

    Strong Verbs And Hard Truths. Good Writing With Anne Lamott and Neal Allen

    Joanna Penn interviews Anne Lamott and Neal Allen about their book 'Good Writing', covering strong sentences, overcoming self-doubt, and building a sustainable writing practice.

    Mar 23, 2026·1h 5m
  105. 105

    Writing Characters: 15 Actionable Tips For Writing Deep Character

    Joanna Penn shares 15 actionable tips for writing deep characters, compiled from past episodes of the Creative Pen Podcast.

    Mar 16, 2026·1h 19m
  106. 106

    Writing Emotion, Discovery Writing, And Slow Sustainable Book Marketing With Roz Morris

    Roz Morris, a literary fiction author, memoirist, and creator of the Nail Your Novel writing craft series, returns to The Creative Penn Podcast after 15 years to discuss indie publishing's evolution, the emotional architecture of home as a memoir subject, and the craft challenge of converting personal feeling into writing that invites readers in rather than excluding them.

    Mar 9, 2026·1h 16m·5 clips
  107. 107

    Creative Confidence, Portfolio Careers, And Making Without Permission with Alicia Jo Rabins

    Alicia Jo Rabins, an award-winning writer, musician, filmmaker, and Torah teacher, describes building a portfolio career in which teaching Jewish studies covers 50-70% of her income while performance fees, grants, and donations cover the rest—and she has never held a full-time job.

    Mar 2, 2026·56m·3 clips
  108. 108

    Post-Traumatic Growth, Creative Marketing, And Dealing With Change with Jack Williamson

    Hidden gem

    Jack Williamson links post-traumatic growth to his brother’s death in 2015, his retraining as a psychotherapist, and the writing of five books.

    Feb 23, 2026·1h 9m·2 clips
  109. 109

    Audacious Artistry: Reclaiming Your Creative Identity And Thriving In A Saturated World With Lara Bianca Pilcher

    Hidden gem

    Lara Bianca Pilcher says she threw away a first version after a literary agent and editor dropped her.

    Feb 16, 2026·1h 5m·2 clips
  110. 110

    Managing Multiple Projects And The Art of the Long-Term Author Career with Kevin J. Anderson

    Feb 9, 2026·1h 3m
  111. 111

    Research Like An Academic, Write Like an Indie With Melissa Addey

    Feb 2, 2026·1h 2m
  112. 112

    Selling Books Live On Social Media With Adam Beswick

    Jan 26, 2026·1h 6m
  113. 113

    Writing The Shadow: The Creative Wound, Publishing, And Money, With Joanna Penn

    Jan 19, 2026·1h 34m
  114. 114

    2026 Trends And Predictions For Indie Authors And The Book Publishing Industry with Joanna Penn

    Jan 5, 2026·1h 11m
  115. 115

    My 2026 Creative And Business Goals With Joanna Penn

    Jan 1, 2026·37m
  116. 116

    Two Different Approaches To Selling Books Direct With Sacha Black And Joanna Penn

    Dec 8, 2025·1h 19m
  117. 117

    Writing Free: Romance Author Jennifer Probst On A Long-Term Author Career

    Dec 1, 2025·1h 3m
  118. 118

    Writing The Future, And Being More Human In An Age of AI With Jamie Metzl

    Nov 24, 2025·1h 2m
  119. 119

    Lessons Learned From Author Nation 2025 With Joanna Penn

    Nov 17, 2025·1h 20m
  120. 120

    Why Structure Matters More Than You Think. Writing Memoir With Wendy Dale

    Nov 10, 2025·54m
  121. 121

    Creating While Caring With Donn King

    Nov 3, 2025·1h 2m
  122. 122

    Loki Is In Charge. How Authors Can Thrive In A Time Of Transition With Becca Syme

    Oct 27, 2025·1h 5m
  123. 123

    Performance Tips For Authors, And Writing Climate Fiction With Laura Baggaley

    Oct 20, 2025·1h 10m
  124. 124

    Brand Something Beautiful: How Authors Can Stand Out In A Crowded Market with Steve Brock

    Oct 13, 2025·1h 18m
  125. 125

    How to Pivot Careers, Co-Write Books, And Stay Connected As A Remote Creative With Pilar Orti

    Oct 6, 2025·1h 19m
  126. 126

    Amazon Advertising For Books With Geoff Affleck

    Sep 29, 2025·58m
  127. 127

    Overcoming Procrastination With Colleen M. Story

    Sep 22, 2025·1h 12m
  128. 128

    Writing, Self-Publishing And Marketing Books For Children With Darcy Pattison

    Sep 15, 2025·1h 1m
  129. 129

    Writing Fan Fiction, And Multi-Passionate Creativity With KimBoo York

    Sep 8, 2025·1h 9m
  130. 130

    Writing And Publishing Short Stories And Poetry With J.F. Penn And Orna Ross

    Sep 1, 2025·1h 20m
  131. 131

    Writing Short Stories, Publishing Collaboration, And Podcasting, With Clay Vermulm

    Aug 25, 2025·1h 8m
  132. 132

    The Art And Business Of Literary Translation With Dani James

    Aug 18, 2025·1h 6m
  133. 133

    Book Marketing Tips For Fiction And Non-Fiction Authors With Joanna Penn

    Aug 11, 2025·1h 9m
  134. 134

    Researching And Writing Family History Or Genealogy With TL Whalan

    Aug 4, 2025·58m
  135. 135

    Writing And Directing Audio Drama And The Constant Creator Mindset With Alison Haselden

    Jul 28, 2025·1h
  136. 136

    The Artisan Author With Johnny B Truant

    Jul 21, 2025·1h 2m
  137. 137

    How To Get More Book Reviews With Joe Walters

    Jul 14, 2025·1h 5m
  138. 138

    Crafting Stories, Finding Readers And Selling Direct With Ines Johnson

    Jul 7, 2025·1h 7m
  139. 139

    Writing For Audio First With Jules Horne

    Jun 30, 2025·57m
  140. 140

    Producing AI-Narrated Audiobooks Using ElevenLabs With Simon Patrick

    Jun 27, 2025·47m
  141. 141

    How To Pitch Podcasts And Be A Great Podcast Guest With Matty Dalrymple

    Jun 23, 2025·57m
  142. 142

    Finding Your Voice, Writing Across Genre And Loving Book Marketing With Betsy Lerner

    Jun 16, 2025·56m
  143. 143

    Book Discoverability In An Age Of AI. GEO For Authors With Thomas Umstattd Jr.

    Jun 13, 2025·58m
  144. 144

    Casting A Wider Net: Author Brand And The Writing Business With JD Barker

    Jun 9, 2025·59m
  145. 145

    Music, Writing, And The Mind-Body Connection With Jennifer Roig-Francoli

    Jun 2, 2025·1h 3m
  146. 146

    Crafting Story Worlds, Creative Control, And Leveraging AI Tools With Dave Morris

    May 26, 2025·1h 1m
  147. 147

    Embracing Change: How To Flux with April Rinne

    Joanna Penn interviews April Rinne about embracing change and uncertainty in life and author business, with updates on KDP royalty changes.

    May 19, 2025·1h 4m