Product People

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Founder talk with product consequences.

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Product People follows practical conversations with makers, founders, and writers around software, products, habits, and independent business. The excerpts point toward candid talk about co-founders, pricing, savings, learning, launch anxiety, and the pressure of building something real.

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About Product People

Product People is an interview show about the people and decisions behind products, especially independent software, bootstrapped startups, learning, and small-company growth. The excerpts show a program rooted in conversations rather than abstract product theory. It talks about real businesses. It also talks about the life around those businesses: savings, family pressure, hard conversations, launch nerves, and the long wait before a product can support someone full time. Jason Cohen's two-part appearance anchors much of that practical edge, with discussion of side projects, pricing, customer counts, and the difference between forcing early sales and building something more systematic. Ben Orenstein's episode adds a co-founder lens, including runway, difficult alignment conversations, and weekly retrospectives. The show does not stay only inside startup mechanics. James Clear brings habits, fundamentals, and the problem of choosing where to focus. Scott Young brings self-directed learning, programming, languages, and the idea that learners can design better ways to master hard skills. Pippin Williamson's appearance traces the path from building websites for clients into WordPress plugins and meaningful revenue. Mike Taber appears in an episode framed around launch fears and Bluetick.io. Tom and Dan from Studio Neat widen the product frame to physical goods and boutique product work. Across the excerpts, Justin Jackson is a recurring named voice, often placing the conversation inside his own experience with Transistor and product launches. That gives the show a personal texture without turning it into pure memoir. Product People is strongest when it lets builders compare scars, constraints, and rules of thumb. It suits listeners who want the business choices behind products, not just the finished success story.

Made for: Suits a listener who wants candid, practical conversations about building products, bootstrapping, learning, launches, and founder constraints. It is a fit for people who prefer tradeoffs and lived examples over polished startup slogans.

What sets it apart: Product People stands out by keeping product work tied to the personal and financial reality around it. The conversations move easily from pricing and co-founders to habits, self-teaching, family pressure, and physical product experiments.

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A podcast focused on great products and the people who make them

Why you'd press play

Justin Jackson's chairlift question: when should your side project become your job?

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  • Jason Cohen's pricing math for reaching a full-time income with fewer customers
  • Ben Orenstein's account of why savings can decide who gets to say yes to a startup
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EP101 – Scott Young: teach yourself how to program, finally!Aug 7, 2019

Scott Young turns self-taught programming into a practical case for focused, purposeful learning.

Scott Young uses a conversation about teaching himself programming to widen the frame on ultra learning: hard skills start to feel less remote when practice is built around a clear, usable goal.

EP100 – James Clear: improving your life in 2019 with Atomic HabitsJan 24, 2019

James Clear connects everyday habits with a simple filter for deciding where attention belongs.

James Clear frames self-improvement less as a dramatic reinvention than as a question of attention. The episode moves from plain daily foundations, including sleep, water, walking outside, sunlight, exercise, and reading, into a practical way of deciding what deserves focus.

EP99 – Ben Orenstein's new startup is focused on pair programmingJan 2, 2019

A practical conversation about co-founders, runway, and the habits that keep a startup partnership honest.

Product People treats the making of tuple.app as a grounded look at what starting a company can actually require. Ben Ornstein talks through building it with two co-founders, from how a founding team comes together to the conversations people need to have before committing.

EP98 – The hard truth about bootstrapping startups (Part 2 with Jason Cohen)Dec 17, 2018

A candid bootstrapping conversation where startup pressure, family life, and the early Transistor launch sit in the same frame.

Bootstrapping is framed as a lived choice, with the episode returning to the places where that choice presses hardest: a partner, children, and the strain of trying to build a company from nothing.

EP97 – Can you bootstrap a company on the side? (Part 1 with Jason Cohen)Dec 14, 2018

A chairlift thought turns into a practical case for giving a side project enough runway.

Product People treats startup speed as a runway problem: how does a founder give a young company enough time to mature while still doing other work?

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Episodes

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    EP101 – Scott Young: teach yourself how to program, finally!

    Hidden gem

    Product People EP101 follows Scott Young's explanation of Ultra Learning through his attempt to finally learn programming.

    Aug 7, 2019·1h 29m·5 clips
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    EP100 – James Clear: improving your life in 2019 with Atomic Habits

    Justin Jackson interviews James Clear, author of Atomic Habits, one hundred days after the book's release and asks which ideas keep getting shared on Twitter.

    Jan 24, 2019·1h 3m·5 clips
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    EP99 – Ben Orenstein's new startup is focused on pair programming

    Hidden gem

    Product People episode 99 pairs Justin with Ben Ornstein to talk about Tuple.app, live-streamed podcasting, and what makes a conversation feel real.

    Jan 2, 2019·1h 8m·4 clips
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    EP98 – The hard truth about bootstrapping startups (Part 2 with Jason Cohen)

    Hidden gem

    ["Product People EP98 with Jason Cohen is a direct conversation about bootstrapping startups, advice, and the pressure of running a business with kids at home.", "Cohen argues that advice should begin with goals and context, not instructions, and he says you cannot split test experience.", "He uses survivor bias, Jim Collins's Good to Great, and venture capital's weak hit rate to argue that success stories rarely turn into formulas.", "The conversation becomes concrete when the host describes Transistor at about $4,300 MRR, 220 customers, and the pressure of consulting, courses, and four kids."]

    Dec 17, 2018·1h 11m·5 clips
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    EP97 – Can you bootstrap a company on the side? (Part 1 with Jason Cohen)

    Product People EP97 centers on Jason Cohen's WP Engine origin story, after Justin Jackson explains why a chairlift idea about MailChimp, Todoist, and Basecamp turned into a Twitter thread.

    Dec 14, 2018·33m·2 clips
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    EP96 – My secret phone call with Hamish

    Nov 23, 2018·58m
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    EP95 – "Programming's gateway drug" with Samantha Geitz

    Nov 5, 2018·1h 8m
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    EP94 – Does the old SaaS playbook still work in 2018?

    Jun 11, 2018·57m
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    EP93 – SaaS pricing with Patrick Campbell

    Jun 1, 2018·58m
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    EP92 – 2018 MicroConf guide with Mike Taber

    Mar 15, 2018·50m
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    EP91 – Josh Nielsen from Zencastr: software for podcasters

    Jan 6, 2018·58m
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    EP90 – "Give yourself time." Building a profitable business on the Shopify apps platform

    Nov 18, 2017·49m
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    EP89 – "We never wanted to fire anyone," Natalie Nagele on Wildbit's journey

    Oct 28, 2017·55m
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    EP88 – Pippin Williamson from beer money to over $1 million in revenue with WordPress plugins

    Justin Jackson interviews Pippin Williamson about his journey from building websites to a million-dollar plugin business.

    Oct 21, 2017·48m
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    EP87 – How Nick Disabato built a profitable productized service

    Oct 4, 2017·56m
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    EP86 – Mega profitable with Brennan Dunn

    Sep 20, 2017·56m
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    EP85 – Facing your launch fears with Mike Taber of Bluetick.io

    A podcast about great products and the people who build them, featuring interviews with product creators.

    Aug 11, 2017·45m
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    EP84 – Contrarian bootstrapper Ian Landsman

    May 16, 2017·1h 25m
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    EP83: Laura Elizabeth – unmistakable product validation

    Apr 8, 2017·45m
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    EP82: Adam Wathan is back with a new launch story

    Dec 23, 2016·1h
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    EP81: Behind Adam Wathan's $100k book launch

    Nov 1, 2016·1h 7m
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    EP80: Are we at peak SaaS?

    Aug 12, 2016·24m
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    EP79: Josh Pigford - "We're all winging it"

    Jun 21, 2016·1h 3m
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    EP78: Nathan Barry - cash flow therapy (Part 2)

    Apr 6, 2016·32m
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    EP77 - Nathan Barry – Three years in the desert (Part 1)

    Apr 1, 2016·35m
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    EP76: Tom & Dan get physical with Studio Neat

    Host Justin Jackson interviews Tom and Dan from Studio Neat about creating physical products and announces his book 'Marketing for Product People'.

    Feb 9, 2016·42m
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    EP75: Jason Zook on why he’s selling his future

    Sep 24, 2015·44m
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    EP74: Tracy Osborn – launching a Kickstarter, a book, a SaaS!

    Sep 21, 2015·48m
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    EP73: Justin Jackson – “How I got into products”

    Jun 26, 2015·44m
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    EP72: Nathan Barry – “The hardest thing I’ve ever done is SaaS”

    May 4, 2015·56m
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    EP71: Des Traynor on the forgotten job of every SaaS product

    Dec 12, 2014·47m
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    EP70: Samuel Hulick talks about building Useronboard

    Nov 7, 2014·1h 8m
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    EP69: Nir Eyal on how to build habit forming products

    Justin Jackson interviews Nir Eyal about his book Hooked and the four-step framework for creating user habits in products.

    Oct 31, 2014·52m
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    EP68: Brian Casel on productized services

    Oct 23, 2014·57m
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    EP67: Mike Rohde is building a sketchnote army

    Oct 2, 2014·38m
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    EP66: Marc-André Cournoyer on making the leap

    Sep 4, 2014·41m
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    EP65: Andreea and building Startup Kit

    Aug 28, 2014·27m
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    EP64: Jarrod Drysdale on bootstrapping design

    Aug 21, 2014·43m
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    EP63: Sacha Greif – how things get popular

    Aug 15, 2014·36m
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    EP62: Paul Jarvis is always hungry

    Aug 7, 2014·39m
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    EP61: Nate Kontny says “Solve your own problems!”

    Jul 24, 2014·44m
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    EP60: Hear how Ryan Hoover built Product Hunt in 4 days

    Jul 17, 2014·42m
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    EP59: Dan Norris and the 7 day startup

    Jul 10, 2014·38m
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    EP58: Garrett Dimon – SaaS isn’t all rainbows and unicorns

    Jul 3, 2014·41m
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    EP57: Brennan Dunn talks about the marketing machine

    Jun 27, 2014·40m
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    EP56: Sean Fioritto on succeeding after failing

    Jun 19, 2014·38m
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    EP55: Patio11 on promoting your product

    Apr 11, 2014·57m
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    EP54: DHH on why 37signals is becoming Basecamp

    Mar 17, 2014·49m
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    EP53: Alex Hillman is the king of JFDI

    Feb 22, 2014·1h
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    EP52: Amy Hoy – “Why it’s not about you”

    Feb 8, 2014·58m