
Payments infrastructure, explained by practitioners.
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Payments on Fire™ tracks the machinery behind modern money movement, from platform payments and fraud monitoring to stablecoins and instant-payment systems. The tone is professional and specific, with Glenbrook voices and industry guests working through how payment systems actually operate.
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About Payments on Fire™
Payments on Fire™ is a payments-industry show built for people who care about the rails, rules, and operating choices underneath commerce. It is not fintech theater. The program works through payment systems as living infrastructure, where regulatory duties, network rules, fraud pressure, user experience, and global liquidity all collide. Recent episodes show that range clearly. A platform-payments conversation focuses on invisible infrastructure, automated onboarding, KYC, fund movement, split payments, and the role of a PSP that sits behind the platform’s own brand. A fraud-monitoring episode gets into VAMP ratios, disputes, confirmed fraud, deflection tools, acquirer responsibility, and the broader fraud-and-disputes ecosystem. Stablecoins are another recurring thread. The show treats them less as hype and more as a question of liquidity, dollar access, on-ramps, off-ramps, foreign exchange, and cross-border use in markets such as Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia. That practical lens gives the digital-asset episodes a grounded quality. The same pattern appears in conversations about trust at checkout, where performance, recognizable cues, consistency, and frictionless design are tied back to whether payment providers can stay usefully invisible. Glenbrook’s “Fanning the Flames” episodes broaden the format. Those roundtables cover what the team is watching, workshop takeaways, stablecoin economics, instant-payment maturity, scam controls, confirmation of pay, refunds, and cross-border interconnection. The show also has a reflective side, especially in the Glenbrook anniversary episode, where firm history, payments education, industry books, patents, and early Stripe anecdotes sit beside the usual systems analysis. The pacing is calm and consultative. The vocabulary is specific. Acronyms and mechanics are not sanded down for casual listening, which makes the show better suited to industry learners and operators than general business audiences. Its best episodes make complex payments plumbing feel consequential without pretending it is simple. Payments on Fire™ is strongest when it connects a technical change to who must act next: merchants, platforms, acquirers, PSPs, banks, networks, governments, or end users. That focus gives the show its editorial center. It is a field guide to payments as work.
Made for: Payments professionals, fintech operators, merchants, acquirers, PSP teams, bank staff, consultants, and serious industry learners who want operational detail. It also suits business listeners tracking stablecoins, fraud programs, instant payments, and checkout trust from a practical angle.
What sets it apart: The show pairs Glenbrook’s consulting and education perspective with detailed conversations about how payment systems actually function. It stands apart by treating topics like stablecoins, VAMP, platform payments, and instant payments as operating problems rather than headline trends.
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Podcasts from Glenbrook Partners on the latest developments in payments and fintech. Featuring interviews with opinion leaders, Glenbrook's own take on emerging technologies and industry trends, other news and views on this dynamic industry.
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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026
Payments on FireTM turns payment infrastructure into clear questions about risk, regulation, provider roles, and the practical movement of money.
Payments on FireTM follows the machinery behind a transaction: who carries the risk, which provider stays invisible, and what has to happen before money reaches the right party.
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Episodes
- 1
Episode 254 - Reshaping How We Move Money with Booshan Rengachari, Finzly
·45m - 2
Episode 289 - Stablecoin Infrastructure in Emerging Markets, with Chris Maurice, Yellow Card
·42m - 3
Episode 288 - The First 25 Years of Glenbrook - Fanning the Flames with our Founders
·49m - 4
Episode 287 - Fanning the Flames - State of Stablecoins 2026
·33m - 5
Episode 286 - Understanding Trust in the Modern Agentic and Digital Economy, with Jenny Hadlow and Rory O'Neill, Checkout.com
·1h 2m - 6
Episode 285 - Fanning the Flames - What We're Watching in Payments in 2026
·42m - 7
Episode 284 - Fanning the Flames - Advanced Payments Workshop Recap
·22m - 8
Episode 240: Fanning the Flames: Potential Winners and Losers in the Proposed Acquisition of Discover
·38m - 9
Episode 283 - Banking on Stablecoins, with Scott Southall and Will Artingstall, Citibank
·1h 3m - 10
Episode 282 - Why You Need a Stablecoin Strategy, with Ran Goldi, Fireblocks
·54m - 11
Episode 281 - Fanning the Flames - Unpacking the Latest Proposed Settlement of the Payment Card Interchange Litigation
·37m - 12
Episode 280 - Reflections on Fraud in 2025 and What Lies Ahead, with David Maimon, SentiLink
·44m - 13
Episode 279 - Fanning the Flames - Money 20/20 2025 Recap
·36m - 14
Episode 278 - From Prefunding to Flow: Rethinking Global Settlement, with Mouloukou Sanoh, MANSA
·47m - 15
Episode 277 - Fanning the Flames - Recent Developments in Agent Protocols
·17m - 16
Episode 276 - Fanning the Flames - Stablecoin Economics
·22m - 17
Episode 275 - The Criticality of Optimizing the Payments Experience, with Anne Hay and Mike Kaplan, PayNearMe
·49m - 18
Episode 274 - Looking through the Fog: Investing in Times of Great Uncertainty, with Timothy Chiodo, UBS, and Christopher Kim, Capital Group
·55m - 19
Episode 273 - The Hard Science of Fraud Investigations, with David Maimon, SentiLink
·43m - 20
Episode 272 - Fanning the Flames - 2025 Mid-Year Payments Industry Trends Update
·53m - 21
Episode 271 - Sufficiently Solving the Non-Sufficient Funds Puzzle with Chanan Lavi, Kipp
·40m - 22
Episode 270 - Fanning the Flames - Beyond "Behind": Rethinking US Instant Payments
·24m - 23
Episode 269 - Designing Digital Financial Services for Women is Designing for All, with Sonja Kelly, Women's World Banking Institute
·49m - 24
Episode 268 - Rethinking Payment Optimization Through the Merchant of Record Model, with Rehman Baig, FlexFactor
·41m - 25
Episode 267 - Fanning the Flames: Agentic Commerce
·33m - 26
Episode 266 - Innovating Inclusive Financial Systems on the African Continent, Sabine Mensah, AfricaNenda
·49m - 27
Episode 265 - Solving the Authentication Conundrum, with Rocky Scales, IDgo
·40m - 28
Episode 263 - Driving Digital Financial Inclusion: The Journey We're On and the Road Ahead - Michael Wiegand, Gates Foundation
·51m - 29
Episode 262 - Bot Attacks Are Getting Smarter...Are You? - Nate Kharrl, Spec
·39m - 30
Episode 261 - Fanning the Flames: Global Payments Acquisition of Worldpay
·26m - 31
Episode 260 - Scams, Stings, and Swindles in Payments #2 - David Maimon, SentiLink
·22m - 32
Episode 259 - Using Real-Time Merchant Intelligence to Enhance Transaction Visibility, with Oban MacTavish, Spade
·40m - 33
Episode 258 - Giving the Green Light to Surcharging, with Emily Tsitrian, Yeeld
·30m - 34
Episode 257 - Scams, Stings, and Swindles in Payments - Catching up with David Maimon, SentiLink
·36m - 35
Episode 256 - Banking on Fintech, with Anthony Sharett, Pathward
·45m - 36
Episode 255 - Glenbrook's On-Demand Learning Launch and Behind the Scenes with the Payments Education Team
·32m - 37
Episode 290 - The Evolution of VAMP and Card Network Fraud Monitoring, with Keith Briscoe, MRC, and Allan Shearer, J.P. Morgan
·1h 7m - 38
Episode 253 - Glenbrook Partners: 2024 Payments Industry Trends Wrap Up
·51m - 39
Episode 252 - Testing, Testing, 123: Payments has evolved in the past 20 years, what about payments testing? with Steve Semelsberger, Testlio
·44m - 40
Episode 251 - Bridging the Communication Gap Between Treasury and Payments with Debopama Sen, Citi Treasury and Trade Solutions
·47m - 41
Episode 250 - Fanning the Flames: Ten Years of Apple Pay
·30m - 42
Episode 241 - How Open Banking is Reshaping the Financial Playing Field with John Pitts, Plaid
·48m - 43
Episode 249 - Two Decades of 3-D Secure: Can Strong Customer Authentication Succeed in the US and Unregulated Markets? with Dewald Nolte, Entersekt and Amandeep Batra, Stripe
·51m - 44
Episode 248 - The Ins and Outs of Payouts with Manish Vrishaketu, Tipalti
·45m - 45
Episode 247 - From the Vault: Multiplayer Fintech Builds a Winning B2B Service – Robin Gandhi, TripActions (Episode 146)
·36m - 46
Episode 246 - Going Real-Time with Dimitri Dadiomov, Modern Treasury
·40m - 47
Episode 245 - Shining a Light on the Dark Web with Dr. David Maimon, SentiLink
·1h 2m - 48
Episode 244 - Fanning the Flames: Understanding Mastercard's Announcement to "Reimagine Online Checkout" in Europe by 2030
·34m - 49
Episode 243 - Payments, Authentication, and Identification in the Era of AI with Ori Eisen, Trusona
·57m - 50
Episode 242 - From the Vault: Who Are You, Really? FIDO's Biometric Authentication (Episode 28)
·23m - 51
Episode 239 - Talking Payments and Politics with Michele Alt and Adam Shapiro, Partners at Klaros Group
·52m - 52
Episode 238 - Will Pay by Bank Really Compete with Cards? Trevor Nies, Adyen
·37m - 53
Episode 237 - Is Orchestration the New Normal In Payment Operations? A conversation with John Lunn, Gr4vy
·53m - 54
Episode 236 - How to Make Money in Payments with Russ Jones, Glenbrook Partners
·35m - 55
Episode 234 - Partnerships in the Payments Industry - Insights, Musings, and Hard-Won Wisdom with Steve Klebe
·58m - 56
Episode 233 - How unexpected technology combinations can lead to practical payment solutions with Glendy Kam, Tassat
·41m - 57
Episode 197 - The Core Processor's Perspective with Carlos Netto and Sarah Hoisington, Matera - Pix Series #2
·46m - 58
Episode 231 - Fanning the Flames: Payments Orchestration
·35m - 59
Episode 230 - Talking Central Bank Digital Currencies with Jim Cunha, Former EVP, Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
·54m - 60
Episode 229: What Glenbrook is Watching in Payments in 2024
·55m - 61
Episode 228 - Fanning the Flames: 2023 Payments News in Review
·36m - 62
Episode 227 - EMVCo: A Textbook Example of Collaboration with Oliver Manahan, EMVCo
·1h 2m - 63
Episode 226 - From the Vault: Talking EMV in the USA (Episode 16)
·39m - 64
Episode 225 - Fanning the Flames: Money 20/20 Recap
·30m - 65
Episode 224 - Creating Best-in-Class Payment Experiences at Scale with Luda Sokolov and Aarti Bharathan, Google
·53m - 66
Episode 223 - Fanning the Flames: Merchant Fees and Surcharging
·24m - 67
Episode 222 - Fanning the Flames: Involuntary Churn
·45m - 68
Episode 221 - The Future of Fast Payments in the U.S. with Bernadette Ksepka, Federal Reserve Financial Services and Elena Whisler, The Clearing House
·50m - 69
Episode 220 - Stay Ahead of the Game: Understanding and Countering Policy Abuse with Eyal Elazar, Riskified
·55m - 70
Episode 219 - Smart Takes on Cross-border Payments - Ryan Zagone, Head of Americas, Wise for Banks, and Joanna Wisniecka, Glenbrook
·50m - 71
Episode 218 - The Technologies, Policies, and Realities of Cross-border Payments
·46m - 72
Episode 217 - Talking Moonshots with Jared Isaacman, Founder and CEO, Shift4
·43m - 73
Episode 216 – Fanning the Flames: Payments Post #5
·24m - 74
Episode 215 - From the Vault: On Faster Payments in the U.S. (Episode 10)
·18m - 75
Episode 214 - We Just Can't Stop Talking About Tokenization
·50m - 76
Episode 213 - From the Vault: Payment Tokenization Continues to Roll (Episode 21)
·24m - 77
Episode 212 - Creating Customer Success in the Age of Embedded Finance with Ashley Isenberg, VP Revenue & Strategic Partnerships at Finix
·44m - 78
Episode 211 - AI Unleashed: Exploring Fresh Horizons in Payments with Frank Young and Russ Jones
·51m - 79
Episode 210 – From the Vault: Bitcoin Discussion with Scott Loftesness (Episode 1)
·26m - 80
Episode 209 - Part 2 of What's Hot, What's Not, and What We're Watching: Checking in at 2023's Halfway Point with Glenbrook
·25m - 81
Episode 208 - Fanning the Flames: Glenbrook's Payments Boot Camp Intensive
·10m - 82
Episode 207 - Fanning the Flames: Payments Post #4
·20m - 83
Episode 206 - What's Hot, What's Not, and What We're Watching: Checking in at 2023's Halfway Point with Glenbrook
·49m - 84
Episode 205 - Why Simple Questions Can Be Hard To Answer, with Klas Bäck, Founder and CEO of Pagos Solutions
·47m - 85
Episode 204 - Are We Ready to Pay by Bank? A Conversation with Eric Shoykhet, CEO & Co-Founder of Link Financial Technologies
·42m - 86
Episode 203 - What Big Data Revealed About BNPL Consumers with Kristin Carlson and Zach Tondre, LexisNexis Risk Solutions
·56m - 87
Episode 202 - Innovating at the Intersection of BNPL and Embedded Commerce with Bobby Tzekin, Founder and CEO of Wisetack
·42m - 88
Episode 201 - Fintechs, Banks, and the Companies Joining Them Together – In Conversation with Tarun Gupta, Jump Capital, and Chris Uriarte, Glenbrook Partners
·40m - 89
Episode 200 - Fanning the Flames: Payments Post #3
·18m - 90
Episode 199 - Elevating Payments to the C-Suite - Vivek Sharma, Head of Revenue and Finance Automation, Stripe
·34m - 91
Episode 198 - The Rapid Rise and Bright Future of Pix with Carlos Brandt, Head of Management and Operations for Pix at the Central Bank of Brazil - Pix Series #3
·52m - 92
Episode 196 – Fanning the Flames: PaymentsPost #2
·20m - 93
Episode 195 - Fast Payments Reach a Transformative Stage - Pix Series #1
·46m - 94
Episode 194: Fanning the Flames: Fast Payments, Digital Currencies and Fraud - Recent Conference Updates
·31m - 95
Episode 193 - Fanning the Flames: Help! Am I becoming a Fintech?
·22m - 96
Episode 192 - The Rising Value of Rich Account Data with George Throckmorton, Nacha
·48m - 97
Episode 191: Fanning the Flames: A Year in Travel - Jordan
·21m - 98
Episode 264 - A PSP's Guide to Maximizing Merchant Performance, with Brant Peterson, Worldpay
Drew Edmond interviews Brant Peterson from Worldpay about how payment service providers can help merchants maximize payment approval rates and optimize performance.
·47m - 99
Episode 232 - Talking Payments and Fraud with Julie Fergerson, Merchant Risk Council
Yvette Bohannon interviews Julie Fergerson about the Certified Payments and Fraud Prevention Professional program and what it means to be a payments professional.
·40m - 100
Episode 235 - Taking Stock in Fast Payments with Gregor Dobbie, CEO of TFPA and former CEO of Vocalink
Gregor Dobbie, former CEO of Vocalink, discusses the history and evolution of fast payment systems in the UK.
·51m - 101
Episode 291 - The Complex and Growing World of Platform Payments, with Blake Breathitt, Adyen
Hidden gemChris Uriarte interviews Blake Breathitt of Adyen about the evolution of platform payments from one-size-fits-all processing to specialized, integrated solutions for modern commerce.
Apr 15, 2026·1h 1m·2 clips - 102
Episode 290 - The Evolution of VAMP and Card Network Fraud Monitoring, with Keith Briscoe, MRC, and Allan Shearer, J.P. Morgan
Keith Briscoe and Allan Shearer discuss the evolution of Visa's VAMP and card network fraud monitoring programs.
Apr 1, 2026·1h 7m·2 clips - 103
Episode 289 - Stablecoin Infrastructure in Emerging Markets, with Chris Maurice, Yellow Card
Drew Edmond interviews Chris Maurice of Yellow Card about stablecoin infrastructure enabling dollar access in emerging markets like Africa.
Mar 18, 2026·42m - 104
Episode 288 - The First 25 Years of Glenbrook - Fanning the Flames with our Founders
Hidden gemBrian Derman celebrates Glenbrook Partners' 25th anniversary by recounting the firm's founding and its role in advancing the payments industry.
Mar 5, 2026·49m·2 clips - 105
Episode 287 - Fanning the Flames - State of Stablecoins 2026
Hidden gemPayments on Fire Episode 287 features Glenbrook Partners host Russ Jones and digital currency expert Ashley Lanquist reviewing 2025 stablecoin developments and looking ahead to 2026, anchored by the finding that only $390 billion of stablecoin volume — less than 1% of global payments — represents real economic payment activity, with the rest being cryptocurrency trading, bots, and DeFi.
Feb 18, 2026·33m·2 clips - 106
Episode 286 - Understanding Trust in the Modern Agentic and Digital Economy, with Jenny Hadlow and Rory O'Neill, Checkout.com
Payments on Fire Episode 286 features Checkout.com COO Jenny Hadlow and CMO Rory O'Neill discussing how trust shapes the digital economy with host Chris Riardi of Glenbrook Partners.
Feb 4, 2026·1h 2m·4 clips - 107
Episode 285 - Fanning the Flames - What We're Watching in Payments in 2026
Hidden gemPayments on Fire Episode 285 is Glenbrook Partners' 2026 forecast episode, and Brian Derman frames agentic commerce and stablecoins as the two biggest topics.
Jan 21, 2026·42m·4 clips - 108
Episode 284 - Fanning the Flames - Advanced Payments Workshop Recap
Yvette Bohannon and Russ Jones recap a San Francisco Glenbrook Advanced Payments Workshop covering the proposed Visa-Mastercard interchange settlement, Capital One’s acquisition of Discover, European card-number-tokenization changes, stablecoins, and agentic commerce.
Jan 8, 2026·22m·1 clip - 109
Episode 283 - Banking on Stablecoins, with Scott Southall and Will Artingstall, Citibank
Dec 17, 2025·1h 3m - 110
Episode 282 - Why You Need a Stablecoin Strategy, with Ran Goldi, Fireblocks
Dec 3, 2025·54m - 111
Episode 281 - Fanning the Flames - Unpacking the Latest Proposed Settlement of the Payment Card Interchange Litigation
Nov 21, 2025·37m - 112
Episode 280 - Reflections on Fraud in 2025 and What Lies Ahead, with David Maimon, SentiLink
Nov 20, 2025·44m - 113
Episode 279 - Fanning the Flames - Money 20/20 2025 Recap
Nov 7, 2025·36m - 114
Episode 278 - From Prefunding to Flow: Rethinking Global Settlement, with Mouloukou Sanoh, MANSA
Nov 5, 2025·47m - 115
Episode 277 - Fanning the Flames - Recent Developments in Agent Protocols
Oct 29, 2025·17m - 116
Episode 276 - Fanning the Flames - Stablecoin Economics
Oct 22, 2025·22m - 117
Episode 275 - The Criticality of Optimizing the Payments Experience, with Anne Hay and Mike Kaplan, PayNearMe
Oct 9, 2025·49m - 118
Episode 274 - Looking through the Fog: Investing in Times of Great Uncertainty, with Timothy Chiodo, UBS, and Christopher Kim, Capital Group
Sep 24, 2025·55m - 119
Episode 273 - The Hard Science of Fraud Investigations, with David Maimon, SentiLink
Sep 10, 2025·43m - 120
Episode 272 - Fanning the Flames - 2025 Mid-Year Payments Industry Trends Update
Aug 27, 2025·53m - 121
Episode 271 - Sufficiently Solving the Non-Sufficient Funds Puzzle with Chanan Lavi, Kipp
Aug 13, 2025·40m - 122
Episode 270 - Fanning the Flames - Beyond "Behind": Rethinking US Instant Payments
Jul 31, 2025·24m - 123
Episode 269 - Designing Digital Financial Services for Women is Designing for All, with Sonja Kelly, Women's World Banking Institute
Jul 16, 2025·49m - 124
Episode 268 - Rethinking Payment Optimization Through the Merchant of Record Model, with Rehman Baig, FlexFactor
Jul 2, 2025·41m - 125
Episode 267 - Fanning the Flames: Agentic Commerce
Jun 26, 2025·33m - 126
Episode 266 - Innovating Inclusive Financial Systems on the African Continent, Sabine Mensah, AfricaNenda
Jun 19, 2025·49m - 127
Episode 265 - Solving the Authentication Conundrum, with Rocky Scales, IDgo
Jun 4, 2025·40m - 128
Episode 264 - A PSP's Guide to Maximizing Merchant Performance, with Brant Peterson, Worldpay
May 22, 2025·47m - 129
Episode 263 - Driving Digital Financial Inclusion: The Journey We're On and the Road Ahead - Michael Wiegand, Gates Foundation
May 7, 2025·51m - 130
Episode 262 - Bot Attacks Are Getting Smarter...Are You? - Nate Kharrl, Spec
Apr 23, 2025·39m - 131
Episode 261 - Fanning the Flames: Global Payments Acquisition of Worldpay
Apr 18, 2025·26m - 132
Episode 260 - Scams, Stings, and Swindles in Payments #2 - David Maimon, SentiLink
Apr 9, 2025·22m - 133
Episode 259 - Using Real-Time Merchant Intelligence to Enhance Transaction Visibility, with Oban MacTavish, Spade
Mar 26, 2025·40m - 134
Episode 258 - Giving the Green Light to Surcharging, with Emily Tsitrian, Yeeld
Mar 12, 2025·30m - 135
Episode 257 - Scams, Stings, and Swindles in Payments - Catching up with David Maimon, SentiLink
Feb 27, 2025·36m - 136
Episode 256 - Banking on Fintech, with Anthony Sharett, Pathward
Feb 12, 2025·45m - 137
Episode 255 - Glenbrook's On-Demand Learning Launch and Behind the Scenes with the Payments Education Team
Jan 29, 2025·32m - 138
Episode 254 - Reshaping How We Move Money with Booshan Rengachari, Finzly
Jan 16, 2025·45m - 139
Episode 253 - Glenbrook Partners: 2024 Payments Industry Trends Wrap Up
Dec 5, 2024·51m - 140
Episode 252 - Testing, Testing, 123: Payments has evolved in the past 20 years, what about payments testing? with Steve Semelsberger, Testlio
Nov 20, 2024·44m - 141
Episode 251 - Bridging the Communication Gap Between Treasury and Payments with Debopama Sen, Citi Treasury and Trade Solutions
Nov 6, 2024·47m - 142
Episode 250 - Fanning the Flames: Ten Years of Apple Pay
Oct 23, 2024·30m - 143
Episode 249 - Two Decades of 3-D Secure: Can Strong Customer Authentication Succeed in the US and Unregulated Markets? with Dewald Nolte, Entersekt and Amandeep Batra, Stripe
Oct 9, 2024·51m - 144
Episode 248 - The Ins and Outs of Payouts with Manish Vrishaketu, Tipalti
An exploration of the complexities and challenges of outgoing payments, or payouts, in the payments industry.
Sep 25, 2024·45m - 145
Episode 247 - From the Vault: Multiplayer Fintech Builds a Winning B2B Service – Robin Gandhi, TripActions (Episode 146)
Sep 11, 2024·36m - 146
Episode 246 - Going Real-Time with Dimitri Dadiomov, Modern Treasury
Brian Derman introduces the topic of real-time payments and interviews Dimitri Dadiomov of Modern Treasury about the new U.S.
Aug 28, 2024·40m - 147
Episode 245 - Shining a Light on the Dark Web with Dr. David Maimon, SentiLink
Aug 14, 2024·1h 2m - 148
Episode 244 - Fanning the Flames: Understanding Mastercard's Announcement to "Reimagine Online Checkout" in Europe by 2030
Jul 31, 2024·34m - 149
Episode 243 - Payments, Authentication, and Identification in the Era of AI with Ori Eisen, Trusona
Jul 17, 2024·57m - 150
Episode 242 - From the Vault: Who Are You, Really? FIDO's Biometric Authentication (Episode 28)
Jul 3, 2024·23m