On the Evidence

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Evidence, policy, and implementation in plain view.

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On the Evidence treats public policy as a practical problem of evidence, implementation, and institutional capacity. Episodes move from health costs and climate accounting to African agriculture, fintech access, census work, and the federal evidence ecosystem.

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On the Evidence is a measured interview series for people who want public policy explained from the inside. It is not built around speed. The show gives researchers, public officials, institutional leaders, and practitioners time to trace the path from a problem to the evidence that might make action possible. Recent episodes show that range clearly. One conversation on rising health care costs follows state-level work on affordability, market oversight, quality measurement, and multi-payer value-based care. The central question is practical: which costs improve access or quality, and which ones simply strain the system. Another episode turns to African smallholder farmers, with Dr. Agnes Kalibata describing the ecosystem required for farmers to increase yields, manage crop threats, withstand flooding and drought, and treat farming as a business. The show also examines fintech through Jesse Moore and mcopa, where smartphones, credit analytics, lending relationships, and everyday earners become part of a larger conversation about access and sustainable business models. Its policy lens is broad, but its method is consistent. A topic begins with lived or professional context, then moves toward data, incentives, governance, and implementation. Episodes on the Evidence Act and GAO reporting focus on the federal government’s capacity to collect, manage, and use evidence, while also questioning how much more guidance helps if agencies need technical assistance and practical follow-through. A conversation with Cecilia Rouse links economic research, White House policy work, communication, and institutional leadership. An interview with Robert Santos brings census work, identity, technology, and the public policy research pipeline into the same frame. The climate episode with Jenny Sung is typical of the show’s best habits: it explains soil carbon, livestock methane, regenerative agriculture, and emissions calculators without turning complexity into spectacle. On the Evidence is serious, but not remote. It assumes that listeners can handle nuance when the discussion stays grounded. Its recurring concern is not only what evidence says, but how people, agencies, markets, and communities can use it responsibly.

Made for: It suits policy professionals, researchers, public-sector staff, and curious generalists who want careful explanations of systems change. The ideal listener is comfortable with detail and interested in how evidence moves from analysis into action.

What sets it apart: The show stands out by pairing interviews with implementation questions that stay close to real institutions. It treats data as a working tool for decisions, not as a decorative claim of authority.

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A podcast from Mathematica that examines what we know about today’s most urgent challenges and how we can make progress in addressing them. Reimagining the way the world gathers and uses data, Mathematica uncovers the evidence that offers our partners the confidence and clarity they need to find out what can be done, how to make it happen, and where to go next.

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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

On the Evidence connects policy goals to the evidence and implementation choices that determine what government can actually do.

On the Evidence follows evidence from policy ambition into administrative practice. J.B. Wogan leads interviews and panel conversations that ask how institutions collect information, judge whether programs work, and turn findings into decisions.

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OMB guidance meets cow burps; your curiosity needs room for both the memo and the methane.

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  • to hear people debate whether federal agencies need better guidance or more help using what they have
  • to understand why states need timely data before healthcare cost plans can work
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138 | Addressing Rising Healthcare Costs in StatesAug 28, 2025

State health cost reform comes down to data, oversight, and coordination.

J.B. Wogan talks with Jim Lloyd, Rachel Block, and Julie Sonier about the hard work of bringing down U.S. healthcare costs without losing sight of quality or access.

137 | Increasing the Resilience of African Smallholder FarmersJun 25, 2025

AGRA's work on yields, incomes, and resilience makes Africa's food system feel concrete, from seed access to flooding and drought planning.

The episode uses Dr. Agnes Kalibata's conversation with J.B. Wogan to lay out the systems behind Africa's food supply: smallholder farmers, reliable seed and fertilizer access, and AGRA's effort to raise yields and incomes for 30 million smallholder farming households across 11…

136 | How a Fintech Company Helps Workers in Africa Access Credit and Savings with SmartphonesFeb 26, 2025

A fintech story about smartphones, credit analytics, and the capital behind financial access.

This episode follows mcopa, the Nairobi-based fintech that says it has reached more than five million everyday earners across Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, Ghana, and South Africa with smartphones and added financial services.

135 | It’s the Evidence, Stupid: GAO’s Report on Evidence-Based Policymaking and What Comes NextJan 11, 2025

A measured look at whether the 2019 Evidence Act is actually shaping agency practice.

The episode treats the GAO review of federal evidence work as a practical test of whether the 2019 bipartisan Evidence Act has truly taken hold inside agencies.

123 | Validating Natural Climate Solutions with Better DataJul 18, 2024

A clear-eyed look at regenerative agriculture, soil carbon, and why the numbers matter.

On Evidence, the episode treats regenerative agriculture as a question of measurement rather than mythology, with J.B. Wogan and Jenny Sung linking soil carbon, crop productivity, and a free greenhouse gas emissions calculator to the same climate problem.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    138 | Addressing Rising Healthcare Costs in States

    Hidden gem

    Rising healthcare costs are the subject.

    Aug 28, 2025·54m·3 clips
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    137 | Increasing the Resilience of African Smallholder Farmers

    Hidden gem

    J.B.

    Jun 25, 2025·37m·2 clips
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    136 | How a Fintech Company Helps Workers in Africa Access Credit and Savings with Smartphones

    Hidden gem

    Jesse Moore lays out mcopa's model.

    Feb 26, 2025·45m·2 clips
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    135 | It’s the Evidence, Stupid: GAO’s Report on Evidence-Based Policymaking and What Comes Next

    Hidden gem

    The episode returns to the Evidence Act.

    Jan 11, 2025·52m·5 clips
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    134 | Modernizing State Public Health Data Policies and Practices

    Dec 18, 2024·57m
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    133 | Boosting the Use of Social Policy Research

    Dec 5, 2024·44m
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    132 | Embedding Data and Innovation Across California State Government

    Nov 21, 2024·55m
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    131 | How Expanded Tax Credits Benefited Family Well-Being

    Nov 6, 2024·40m
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    130 | The Evidence-Based Benefits of Employee Ownership

    Oct 24, 2024·55m
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    129 | How Evaluation Can Support Housing Justice and Community Change

    Oct 9, 2024·30m
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    128 | How Better Data Interoperability Can Improve Care Delivered To Patients

    Sep 25, 2024·48m
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    127 | Ensuring Evidence Use in Public Policy with Brookings Institution Pres. Cecilia Rouse

    Interview with Cecilia Rouse about her career in economics and policy research, and the role of evidence in shaping public policy.

    Sep 12, 2024·48m
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    126 | How AmeriCorps Uses Data to Support Communities Through National Service and Volunteerism

    Aug 28, 2024·1h 3m
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    125 | 20 Years of Evidence-Based Poverty Reduction from the Millennium Challenge Corporation

    Aug 14, 2024·45m
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    124 | AcademyHealth’s New CEO on AI, Climate Change, and Other Topics of Health Services Research

    Jul 31, 2024·53m
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    123 | Validating Natural Climate Solutions with Better Data

    Hidden gem

    J.B.

    Jul 18, 2024·30m·2 clips
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    122 | Reflecting on Juneteenth and Our Collective Equity Journey

    Jun 19, 2024·20m
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    121 | NORC and Mathematica CEOs on the Future of Data and Evidence

    Jun 5, 2024·1h 32m
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    120 | Improving Health through Responsible Use of AI

    May 22, 2024·59m
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    119 | Max Stier on Using Data to Improve the Federal Government

    May 8, 2024·56m
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    118 | Moving from Evidence Generation to Evidence Use in President Biden's 2025 Budget

    Apr 17, 2024·35m
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    117 | Moody’s Mark Zandi on Being a Voice for Data-Driven Decisions in Public Policy

    Apr 3, 2024·1h 1m
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    116 | Applying AI to Improve Health Policy Research

    Mar 20, 2024·37m
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    115 | Improving the Impact of Social Programs Through Better Evaluation

    Mar 6, 2024·22m
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    114 | How Virtual and Group Tutoring Could Address Learning Loss

    Feb 21, 2024·58m
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    113 | An interview with U.S. Census Bureau Director Robert Santos

    Interview with U.S.

    Feb 7, 2024·45m
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    112 | Lessons for States Interested in Hospital Global Budgeting

    Jan 25, 2024·34m
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    111 | Homeschooling, Inequities in Disability Policy, and Improving Child Health Through School

    Jan 11, 2024·50m
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    110 | Our Listeners on the Most Important Developments in Evidence and Well-Being in 2023

    Dec 20, 2023·28m
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    109, Part 2 | Improving Health Equity by Transforming Public Health Data Systems

    Dec 13, 2023·1h 9m
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    109, Part 1 | Improving Health Equity by Transforming Public Health Data Systems

    Dec 13, 2023·28m
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    108 | How Artificial Intelligence Can Advance Health Equity

    Nov 29, 2023·58m
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    107 | Elizabeth Linos on Bolstering the Public Sector Workforce and Improving Government Services

    Nov 8, 2023·29m
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    106 | Jennifer Pahlka on Government in the Digital Age

    Oct 26, 2023·36m
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    105 | How Colorado Committed to Supporting Teacher Diversity and Why it Matters to Students

    Oct 11, 2023·52m
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    104 | Michael Mann on Taking Action to Address the Climate Crisis

    Sep 27, 2023·25m
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    103 | OMB Evidence Team on Evidence-Based Policymaking and Federal Evaluation

    Sep 19, 2023·39m
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    102 | Gayle Smith on the Federal Role in Global Response to Health and Climate Crises

    Aug 30, 2023·21m
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    101 | Using Data to Advance Equitable Outcomes from Pre-K through the Workforce

    Aug 16, 2023·57m
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    Bonus Content | J.B. Wogan Reflects on 100 Episodes

    Aug 4, 2023·39m
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    100 | Robert Shea on the Federal Government’s Progress in Using Evidence

    Aug 2, 2023·27m
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    99 | Understanding Why More Eligible Kids Got Free Meals During Pandemic Summers

    Jul 20, 2023·39m
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    98 | Developing Education Programs to Prevent Violence and Crime in Latin America and the Caribbean

    Jul 6, 2023·43m
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    97 | Building on the Evidence Act

    Jun 21, 2023·51m
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    96 | Addressing Fragmented Health Care

    Jun 7, 2023·1h 3m
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    95 | The Role of Evidence in Solutions Journalism

    May 25, 2023·56m
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    94 | Christina Ciocca Eller on White House Year of Evidence for Action

    May 10, 2023·41m
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    93 | Inside Arizona’s Investment in Evidence-Based Foster Care Prevention

    Apr 26, 2023·44m
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    92 | Evidence-Based Policy in President Biden's 2024 Budget

    Apr 12, 2023·38m
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    91 | Solutions for Preventing Heart Attacks, Improving Patient Health, and Reducing Health Spending

    Mar 30, 2023·12m