NCELive

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Evening conversations about leading schools and the people in them.

The gist

NCELive looks at school leadership in a warm, collegial way, with Nick and Rachel inviting friends, mentors and colleagues to talk about recruitment, resilience, wellbeing and working with parents. The talk stays close to daily school life, down to sign-offs that sympathise with anyone facing break duty in the wind and rain.

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About NCELive

NCELive is a conversation show about the working life of schools: who stays, who leaves, who leads, and what it costs the people doing it. Nick and Rachel host, and many guests arrive as people they already know well. Andy Buck, a former head teacher, is welcomed back as a personal friend and longtime mentor. Agnes Cserhati gets a similar introduction, and Ben Barton comes on as Nick's colleague and resident 'statto'. That closeness shapes how the show sounds. The introductions are warm and teasing, and guests answer in kind, as when Mary Myatt promises 'fluent drivel' before explaining why she renamed her online platform. Under the easy manner, the subjects are serious. The recruitment and retention conversation with Ben Barton turns to a school in Felton that has linked itself to the community around it and grows its own students into its next teachers. The same discussion raises the idea of a school keeping its own social worker as a steady link with families. With Dr Emma Kell and Clemmie Stewart, a talk about engaging parents and carers reaches the emotional toll on senior leaders, including a hungry child and a student who disclosed plans to take his own life. It is candid, and it names the exhaustion that follows. Other episodes focus more on the craft of leading. The conversation with Agnes Cserhati offers 'deliberate calm and optimism', framed not as faking but as knowing that people watch a leader walk out of a bad meeting and assume the worst. Andy Buck takes a body of research on performance conversations and keeps it simple: mind your p's and q's. With David Harkin, the talk turns to entrepreneurship and career education, and to whether screens in the classroom after the pandemic can help teach what has long been hard to teach. That conversation also holds that teachers are already being asked enough. Mary Myatt's appearance, from the show's second season, is about putting work out before it feels finished and fixing mistakes in the open. Several episodes are recorded live, with colleagues in the room and others catching the recording later. The sign-offs keep the school calendar in view, with nods to half term, Christmas and break duty in the wind and rain. A good first listen is the Agnes Cserhati episode for leading under pressure, or the Andy Buck one for anyone who runs performance or post-observation conversations.

Made for: Suits a teacher or school leader who wants practical, people-focused thinking on retention, wellbeing, parent relationships and difficult conversations, told colleague to colleague rather than as a lecture.

What sets it apart: Guests are often the hosts' own friends and mentors, which makes the talk relaxed and candid, and several episodes are recorded live with colleagues in the room. The advice sticks because it comes as short, usable phrases such as 'deliberate calm and optimism' or minding your p's and q's.

In their own words

Nick Heard and Rachel O'Halleron discuss a variety of topics with guests from education and the world of business - featuring leadership, disruption, innovation and change, talent management and the importance of people.

Why you'd press play

Nick Hurd and Andy Buck make 'mind your p's and q's' useful for your next feedback meeting.

Press play if you want

  • to open your next lesson feedback conversation with specific praise before asking what went well
  • to think about parent trust without overlooking the emotional weight school leaders carry
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S4 Ep 5 Ben Barton on Recruitment and RetentionMar 24, 2023

A grounded look at how schools can keep education talent close to the communities they serve.

Recruitment and retention in education are framed less as a headcount problem than as a question of design. Nick Hurd, Chief Engagement Officer at Captiva Learning, asks Ben Barton to map the post-pandemic talent crisis, moving from how schools spot promising staff to how they…

S4 Ep 4 with David Harkin on Performance and WellbeingFeb 27, 2023

A grounded conversation about using technology to widen school learning without asking teachers to perform miracles.

The NCE podcast talks with the founder and CEO of 8 Billion Ideas about what schools might need to teach more widely, including entrepreneurship, careers, future-facing skills, performance, and wellbeing.

S4 Ep 3 Agnes Cserhati on Leadership and Resilience in EducationJan 26, 2023

Agnes Shahati makes leadership under uncertainty feel like visible self-awareness in practice.

NCE Live's conversation with Agnes Shahati frames education leadership as something people can see in real time, especially when pressure rises.

S4 Ep 2 Dr Emma Kell & Clemmie Stewart on Engaging Parents and Carers, Building Trust & Great Communication SystemsDec 13, 2022

A thoughtful discussion of parent engagement as planned leadership work with a real emotional cost.

NCE Live's conversation with Emma Kell and Clemmie Stewart frames parent and carer engagement as part of school leadership, not a side issue. It keeps returning to the emotional cost of that work: a hungry child, the pressure carried by staff, and Kell's account of a senior…

S4 Ep 1 Talking all things Leadership with Andy BuckNov 22, 2022

A warm leadership conversation turns feedback into a practical habit of praise followed by curiosity.

NCELive opens its fourth season with Andy Buck in a warm, professionally grounded conversation about leadership, learning, and better feedback.

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Episodes

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    S4 Ep 5 Ben Barton on Recruitment and Retention

    Hidden gem

    Ben Barton uses the NFER 2023 teacher labour market review to show recruitment falling to 21% below target in primary and 42% below target in secondary, with maths and physics under particular pressure.

    Mar 24, 2023·53m·3 clips
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    S4 Ep 4 with David Harkin on Performance and Wellbeing

    Hidden gem

    David Harkin, founder and CEO of 8 Billion Ideas, says his company works across entrepreneurship, career education, skills for the future, and performance and wellbeing in 15 countries.

    Feb 27, 2023·54m·3 clips
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    S4 Ep 3 Agnes Cserhati on Leadership and Resilience in Education

    Hidden gem

    NCELive S4 Ep 3 brings Agnes Cserhati, an internationally recognised speaker, trainer, consultant, and qualified coach with 25 years of experience, into a live discussion with Nick about resilience and leadership in education.

    Jan 26, 2023·49m·3 clips
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    S4 Ep 2 Dr Emma Kell & Clemmie Stewart on Engaging Parents and Carers, Building Trust & Great Communication Systems

    Hidden gem

    Emma Kell and Clemmie Stewart discuss Engaging Parents and Carers with School, a book shaped by surveys of parents and school staff and by their own leadership experience.

    Dec 13, 2022·1h 1m·4 clips
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    S4 Ep 1 Talking all things Leadership with Andy Buck

    Hidden gem

    Nick Hurd welcomes Andy Buck, former head teacher and founder of Leadership Matters, to NCELive as the show returns for season four on a new platform.

    Nov 22, 2022·56m·3 clips
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    NCELive Season 3 - Dr Emma Kell - Keeping Well Being the Focus

    NCELive’s Season 3 conversation brings teacher and coach Dr Emma Kell together with Rachel to discuss school staff well-being.

    Oct 22, 2021·1h 1m·2 clips
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    NCELive Season 3 - Rita McGrath - Seeing Around Corners

    Rita McGrath says “snow melts from the edges,” where unusual customer experiences and frontline observations can signal an approaching inflection point.

    Jul 14, 2021·50m·2 clips
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    NCELive Season 3 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - Brand & Reputation Management - 23:06:2021, 11

    Stephen Tierney and John Tomsett examine school reputation through prospectuses, websites, open evenings, and press coverage.

    Jun 23, 2021·1h 4m·2 clips
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    NCELive Season 3 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - The Art of Influencing and Negotiation

    Jun 16, 2021·59m
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    NCELive Season 3 - Sam Coniff - Uncertainty Experts

    Jun 3, 2021·50m
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    NCELive Season 3 - T.T.I.P - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - Disruptive Innovation

    May 27, 2021·1h 5m
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    NCELive Season 3 - T.T.I.P - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - Science of Change

    May 19, 2021·58m
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    NCELive Season 3 - No1 - Amy Edmondson - Psychological Safety & Being Fearless

    May 13, 2021·40m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No35 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - Governance - 15:04:2021, 16

    Apr 15, 2021·1h 4m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No34 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - Finance

    Apr 12, 2021·1h 3m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No33 - Sharath Jeevan - Inrtrinsic Motivation & Puropose - 24:03:2021, 07

    Mar 24, 2021·55m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No32 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - Programme Management

    Mar 24, 2021·1h
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No31 - A conversation with Mary Myatt

    Nick Heard and Rachel O'Halleron interview Maya about her new business venture Maya & Co and the evolution from her previous platform Soak.

    Mar 17, 2021·58m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No30 - Nikki Gatenby & Jo Darling - Menopoised and why we need to raise awareness in the workplace

    Mar 11, 2021·52m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No29 - Gem Hallett - MiFuture - tinder for school leavers to rethink careers & their futures

    Mar 3, 2021·50m
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    NCELive Season 2 No28 - David Weston - Culture, Research & Impact

    Mar 1, 2021·1h
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    NCELive Season 2 No27 - Dr Emma Kell - Creating a Culture of Well-being

    Feb 21, 2021·58m
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    NCELive Season 2 No26 - TTIP -Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - Decision Science

    Feb 21, 2021·1h 4m
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    NCELive Season 2 No24 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - T.T.I.P - Stakeholder Management - Keeping People Happy!

    Feb 10, 2021·1h 5m
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    NCELive Season 2 No25 - Alison Robb-Webb - What is it like to be lead by you?

    Feb 10, 2021·55m
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    NCELive Season 2 No22 - Ben Barton & James Fazzani - Teacher training funded through the Apprenticeship Levy

    Feb 3, 2021·50m
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    NCELive Season 2 No23 - T.T.I.P - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - Market Strategies - What Are Your Big Moves?

    Feb 3, 2021·1h 8m
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    NCELive Season 2 No20 - T.T.I.P John Tomsett & Stephen Tierney - The Inner Landscape of Leadership

    Jan 29, 2021·1h 9m
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    NCELive Season 2 No21 - Mary Myatt - Doing Fewer Things in Greater Depth

    Jan 29, 2021·50m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 19: Ade Adewale - Language and Emotional Intelligence

    Jan 25, 2021·1h
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 17 - Alex Barker - How to be More Pirate

    Nick Heard interviews Alex Barker about the Be More Pirate philosophy, applying pirate principles to leadership and innovation in business.

    Jan 13, 2021·1h 8m
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    NCE Live Season 2 - No 16 - Dr Emma Kell - Well-Being

    Jan 8, 2021·1h 1m
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    NCELive Season 2 No 15 - Dave Hughes - #It

    Dec 4, 2020·1h
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 14 - Vivienne Porritt - Being Flexible

    Nov 27, 2020·1h
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 13 - Adeyinka Adewale - Emotional Intelligence in times of stress

    Nov 19, 2020·1h 6m
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    NCELive - Season 2 - No 12 - Cody Royle - Managing talent

    Nov 18, 2020·53m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 11 - John Tomsett & Stephen Tierney TTIP - Deliberately Developmental Organisations

    Nov 6, 2020·1h 1m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 10 - John Tomsett & Stephen Tierney - TTIP - Coaching & Mentoring

    Oct 27, 2020·1h 2m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 9 - Rene Carayol - Why Black Lives Matter

    Oct 19, 2020·1h
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 8 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - TTIP - The impact of impact of different leadership styles

    Oct 15, 2020·1h
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 7 - Stephen Tierney & John Tomsett - Turning Theory into Practice - Emotional Intelligence

    Oct 9, 2020·1h
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 6 - Dave Hughes - #WE

    Oct 2, 2020·1h 1m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 5 - Nikki Gatenby - Super Engaged Teams & Putting People First

    Sep 23, 2020·58m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 3 - Stephen Tierney - TTIP - Has accountability impacted your moral compass

    Sep 18, 2020·56m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 4 - John Tomsett - TTIP - Know your finances - it's too important to leave to someone else!

    Sep 18, 2020·1h 3m
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    #NCELive Season 2 - No 2 - Dave Hughes - #IWEIT

    Sep 11, 2020·57m
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    NCELive Season 2 - No 1 - Agnes Cserhati - Mindfulness, Leadership & Influence during times of uncertainty

    Sep 2, 2020·50m
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    #NCELive - Vivienne Porritt - No 27 - Being a better ally

    Aug 12, 2020·58m
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    #NCELive John Tomsett - No 25 - The importance of coherence in improving the quality of teaching & succession planning

    Aug 7, 2020·1h 6m
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    #NCELive Sonia Gill - No 26 - Why culture is the critical factor for excellence.

    Aug 7, 2020·1h 4m