True crime with receipts and sharp edges.
Nature vs Narcissism pairs grisly case research with loose, skeptical conversation. Heather and guests move between court details, rumors with disclaimers, serial killer comparisons, and the uncomfortable history surrounding violent crimes.
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Nature vs Narcissism is a true-crime conversation show with a sharp stomach and a loose table energy. Heather anchors the episodes, with guests dropping in as researchers, skeptics, friends, and reaction partners. The show is at its strongest when a case feels too strange to file neatly. Recent Jonathan Christ Gerlach episodes follow an ongoing Pennsylvania grave-robbing case through court records, police statements, press conference wording, cemetery details, and the question of who else may have known what was happening. The Ed Gein comparison is there, but it is handled as a reference point rather than a finished theory. Facts matter here. Charged details, alleged details, and rumor-board claims are repeatedly separated before the conversation moves forward. That gives the show a useful tension: casual language and dark jokes sit beside a real concern for what can actually be supported. Other recent arcs widen the frame. The Luis Garavito episodes move from serial murder into psychology, religious theatrics, Colombia, cartels, guerrillas, paramilitary groups, and peace talks. Courtney’s follow-up turns a grim case into a broader history lesson, filling in political context that Heather says she could not supply alone. Cole brings a different register, more interested in serial-killer psychology and the uncomfortable curiosity that draws people to cases in the first place. Archive material shows the show’s taste for taboo corners of crime, including Karen Greenlee, a stolen hearse, probation, therapy, and a lawsuit. The humor is blunt. The subject matter is severe. The pacing feels like friends reading the worst file imaginable and refusing to let each other look away for too long. It is not polished courtroom narration or solemn documentary distance. It is reactive, skeptical, sometimes chaotic, and often very specific about the paper trail. That combination makes Nature vs Narcissism work for listeners who want true crime with personality, but still expect disclaimers when a case is unresolved.
Made for: For true-crime listeners who can handle grim cases, blunt conversation, and dark humor. It especially suits fans who like court details, case documents, and guests who bring extra historical or psychological context.
What sets it apart: The show’s edge comes from its mix of informal reactions and careful labeling of facts, allegations, and rumors. It can move from a press conference stammer to Colombia’s political history without losing the case thread.
Nature vs Narcissism is a true crime/comedy podcast based in Cincinnati, Ohio where Heather and her guests discuss true crimes and the narcissists who commit them. Sometimes we have alcohol and sometimes things get weird. Relaunching on our 4th PodBirthday (Oct 22, 2021), the structure changed a lot. Every episode is different and every episode is entertaining! We will delve into whether we think nature made the criminals commit these heinous acts, or if it's simply their narcissism getting the best of them. Keep in mind, this podcast is strictly for entertainment purposes and is in no way a professional diagnosis of the subjects discussed.
Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026
Heather and her guests pair candid case discussion with careful distinctions between official evidence, allegation, and speculation.
Heather builds Nature vs Narcissism around extended conversations with returning guests, moving from historical offenders to an active Pennsylvania grave-robbing case.
A court docket meets your most horrified group chat, with Heather stopping to mark allegation from fact.
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A grave-robbing case keeps circling Ed Gein while the unanswered pieces stay in view.
Nature vs. Narcissism finds its pulse in the hosts' running comparison of Jonathan Christ Gerlach, the Pennsylvania grave robber, to Ed Gein. That frame gives the episode shape as it moves through the wait for the preliminary hearing in March, the note about a girlfriend who was…
A grim, fact-first look at what authorities say can be supported.
Nature vs. Narcissism turns part two toward what can be supported, shifting from Mount Moriah to the evidence authorities say they can back up: broken mausoleums, underground burial vaults, a January 6 sting, and an arrest inside the cemetery with a burlap sack said to contain…
A profane, docket-aware true crime discussion about cemetery break-ins, surveillance, and separating charges from rumor.
Jonathan Christ Gerlach's charged and alleged cemetery break-ins give Nature vs. Narcissism a case that turns unsettling fast. Heather and Kelsey follow the investigation through a public request to families with loved ones at Mount Moriah Cemetery, reported entries into…
A textured Colombia follow-up tying cocaine's rise to La Bestia's confession and uneasy peace talks.
This follow-up to La Bestia widens the frame to Colombia's 1970s drug trade, tracking how coastal smuggling routes helped turn contraband into a major business.
Luis Garavito's violence, self-mythology, and religious theater keep colliding in a grim profile.
Nature vs Narcissism stays fixed on Luis Garavito and on the way his violence feeds a private mythology. It follows his fixation on Campo Ilias Delgado and Hitler, then moves through bar fights, a 13-year-old lured from Plaza de Bolivar to a sugar cane field, and the ritual…
A blunt true crime discussion about a hearse theft case, with loose banter and a rough but immediate feel.
Nature vs. Narcissism revisits a hearse theft case and the funeral disruption around it, and the conversation stays blunt about the damage left behind. Probation, mandatory therapy, Marian Gonzalez's grief, and the $1 million suit tied to John L.
A Halloween finale built on dares, trash talk, and one very determined scorpion.
Nature vs. Narcissism wraps its 13 Days of Halloween run with a kitchen-table dare game that leans on teasing more than structure. Heather stays behind the camera while Ollie, Caleb, and Mac's fiance sample Halloween snacks and drinks, and the talk keeps coming back to whether…
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In part three of their series, the hosts discuss the case of Jonathan Christ Gerlach, a Pennsylvania grave robber reminiscent of Ed Gein, while awaiting his preliminary hearing.
Nature vs Narcissism part two tracks Jonathan Gerlach through Mount Moriah Cemetery, a Washington Avenue home, and a stream of online claims.
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On Nature vs Narcissism, Courtney answers Heather’s questions about Colombia following the earlier La Bestia episode on Luis Garavito.
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Part 2 of a true crime podcast discussing Luis Garavito's obsession with a domestic terrorist and his fantasies of mass murder.
Host Heather and guest Cole discuss Cole's childhood interest in serial killers, leading into a case about Luis Garavito.
Nature vs Narcissism covers Karen Margaret Greenlee, born in 1958 and described as an apprentice embalmer in Sacramento, California, who sexually assaulted over 40 deceased individuals.
Nature vs Narcissism closes its 13 Days of Halloween run with Heather, Ollie, Caleb, Mac, and Jason rating drinks and snacks on a 1-to-6 scale.
Author Bruce LeMaster discusses his new book 'The Wolf & The Killer: Volume 1' and his interests in paranormal and true crime.
Author Bruce LeMaster discusses his book 'The Wolf and the Killer' and a potential serial killer's crimes in a podcast interview.