Listen in, Michigan

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Michigan alumni on shipwrecks, hockey, archives and film.

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Listen in, Michigan pairs Michigan Today editor Debra with one guest at a time, usually an alum billed by degree and class year. The talk ranges from the Edmund Fitzgerald and Mike Legg's 1996 goal to disinformation, Ann Arbor's film history and the Unabomber's archive.

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About Listen in, Michigan

Listen in, Michigan comes from Michigan Today. Its editor, Debra, sets up each episode as a conversation with a single guest tied to the University of Michigan. Episode titles bill the alumni guests by degree and class year, a small detail that says plenty about the show's loyalties. The subjects, though, wander far. John U. Bacon's episode on the Edmund Fitzgerald is timed ahead of the 50th anniversary of the sinking, which claimed 29 men on November 10, 1975, and it gets strikingly concrete about the ship itself. The freighter was one foot shorter than the tallest building in the Renaissance Center. It was also narrow enough to pass the locks between Lake Superior and Lake Huron with a foot to spare on each side. There is even an explanation of why fresh water can make Great Lakes waves worse than ocean waves. Debra closes that one by pointing to an excerpt Bacon provided. Jon Fish, a longtime ESPN producer, talks about his documentary on Mike Legg, whose 1996 goal set the Wolverines on course for Red Berenson's first national championship. The move, now called the Michigan, is traced forward to young players who taught themselves stick tricks between Zoom classes. Other episodes leave the ice entirely. Julie Herrada's begins with an ABC News clip announcing the death of Ted Kaczynski, who often targeted academics, among them a Michigan psychology professor in 1985. The conversation then turns to a collection devoted to social protest movements, from anarchism and socialism to civil rights, environmental and LGBT activism. In her closing remark, Debra points out that Herrada persuaded the anti-academic Kaczynski that academia was the best home for his archive. Barbara McQuade, a law professor and MSNBC legal analyst, brings her book Attack from Within and a set of practical fixes: verified identities on social media, transparency about who pays for ads, and new ways to fund local news. Debra recommends the book regardless of political affiliation. Colleen Newvine, a journalist and life coach, makes the case for a mini sabbatical of five weeks or so. The talk dwells on what goes wrong on such a trip, like a third-floor New Orleans rental whose windows were not to be opened and whose air conditioner did not work. Frank Uhle, a cultural historian, brings Cinema Ann Arbor, his history of a local film scene reaching back to 1929, including an art student whose homemade costumes became the film festival's nightly kickoff. Debra's own voice comes through in the closings: a laugh at a story involving a colleague from her State News days at MSU, a nudge to lean on U of M connections, and, every time in this run, a Go Blue. She says she retired the podcast after 60 episodes and revived it for the Fitzgerald special. For Great Lakes history, that special is the obvious place to start. For something more personal, 'Quit your life temporarily' is the gentler way in.

Made for: Suits a listener with a University of Michigan connection. It also suits a curious generalist who is happy to follow one interviewer from a Lake Superior shipwreck to college hockey, disinformation and Ann Arbor film history in the same feed.

What sets it apart: Instead of staying on one beat, it uses the Michigan alumni network as its through line, so a shipwreck author, an ESPN producer and an archivist of protest movements all turn up in the same feed. Debra's closing reactions are personal, full of school spirit and always end in Go Blue, which gives it a warmth that a subject-specific interview show would lack.

In their own words

"Listen In, Michigan" is an audio storytelling feature brought to you by the online alumni magazine, Michigan Today. From historical features and alumni dispatches to campus news and provocative opinions, "Listen In, Michigan" will entertain and inform, helping to keep you connected to the University of Michigan — today.

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A film festival costume and a hockey goal: your Michigan rabbit hole has excellent range.

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  • to understand the Edmund Fitzgerald through the waves beneath it, not just the song
  • to hear why an archivist would preserve a bomber's papers
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Episode 61: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald, featuring John U. Bacon, BA ’86/MA ’94Oct 23, 2025

John U. Bacon makes the Edmund Fitzgerald's scale, cargo, and peril physically legible.

Listen in, Michigan returns for a special Edmund Fitzgerald episode with John U. Bacon, whose new book revisits the Lake Superior tragedy. Debra Holtschuk begins with Gordon Lightfoot's "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," treating the song as a kind of ghost story made more…

Episode 60: 'The Michigan's' mighty comeback, featuring Jon Fish, BA '95May 17, 2024

A sharp Michigan hockey story about a vanished flourish, its unlikely return, and the way sports keep learning new ways to surprise themselves.

Mike Legg's 1996 Michigan goal becomes the anchor for a brisk, well-shaped history of hockey's oddest flourish: how it flashed into view, nearly vanished, and later returned with enough force to reshape the sport's visual vocabulary.

Episode 59: Quit your life temporarily, featuring Colleen Newvine, MBA ‘05Feb 24, 2024

A mini sabbatical becomes a grounded lesson in flexibility, problem-solving, and the value of leaving room for surprise.

A mini sabbatical becomes a clear-eyed look at what happens when a carefully managed life gives itself room to loosen. Debra Holtschip's conversation with Colleen Neuvine stays grounded in the practical pieces, from budgets and talks with a spouse, children, or a boss to the…

Episode 58: We need to make truth our national purpose, featuring Barbara McQuade, BA ‘87/JD ’91Jan 24, 2024

A measured PlayNext conversation on disinformation, local journalism, and the civic habits that make democratic life harder to manipulate.

This PlayNext episode frames the information crisis as a civic problem, not just a media problem: how a country built around the First and Second Amendments can still be pulled off course by manipulation, conspiracy thinking, and disinformation.

Episode 57: The archivist and the Unabomber, featuring Julie HerradaAug 26, 2023

A Unabomber-linked archive opens onto a wider history of protest, anarchism, and institutional memory.

Julie Herrada's work with Ted Kaczynski's archive gives this episode its most compelling historical angle. The Unabomber case is set beside the Labadee Collection, where social protest movements have been preserved since Joe Labadee's 1911 donation.

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    Episode 61: The Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald, featuring John U. Bacon, BA ’86/MA ’94

    Hidden gem

    Debra Holtschuk returns Listen in Michigan after 60 episodes to talk with John U.

    Oct 23, 2025·22m·1 clip
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    Episode 60: 'The Michigan's' mighty comeback, featuring Jon Fish, BA '95

    Hidden gem

    John Fish explains how Mike Legg's 1996 Michigan hockey goal at Michigan became a named move with a second life decades later.

    May 17, 2024·20m·1 clip
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    Episode 59: Quit your life temporarily, featuring Colleen Newvine, MBA ‘05

    On Listen in Michigan, Debra Holtschip interviews journalist and Michigan Ross MBA graduate Colleen Neuvine about five-week mini sabbaticals and her guide, Your Mini Sabbatical: Quit Your Life Temporarily.

    Feb 24, 2024·23m·1 clip
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    Episode 58: We need to make truth our national purpose, featuring Barbara McQuade, BA ‘87/JD ’91

    Hidden gem

    ["Debra Holchik talks with Barbara McQuade about how disinformation, social-media incentives, and political tribalism weaken shared facts, using McQuade's book Attack from Within as the frame.", "McQuade argues that truth and facts are not the same thing, and she says Justice Jackson's warning about the Bill of Rights frames the danger of treating rights as a shield for chaos.", "She says the Second Amendment does not authorize private militias, and she treats election-overturning rhetoric as a misuse of constitutional language rather than legitimate rebellion.", "The discussion moves from Russian bot networks and the 10GOP account to Facebook outrage mechanics, Section 230, local-news paywalls, and domestic-terrorism gaps."]

    Jan 24, 2024·23m·1 clip
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    Episode 57: The archivist and the Unabomber, featuring Julie Herrada

    Hidden gem

    Episode 57 of Listen in, Michigan follows Deborah Holchip's conversation with Julie Harada, curator of the Joseph Antoine Labadee collection at the University of Michigan Library's Special Collections, about Ted Kaczynski's papers.

    Aug 26, 2023·24m·1 clip
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    Episode 56: Cinema Ann Arbor, featuring Frank Uhle, BFA '83/MILS '92

    Hidden gem

    Debra Holtschip interviews cultural historian and projectionist Frank Uhle about Cinema Ann Arbor, a 344-page history of film culture at the University of Michigan and in Ann Arbor.

    Jun 3, 2023·25m·1 clip
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    Episode 55: Truth is stranger than historical fiction, featuring A. Arbour

    Mar 25, 2023·21m
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    Episode 54: COVID’s silver lining, featuring Rob Ernst, MD ’91, CHO

    Feb 24, 2023·21m
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    Episode 53: The Greatest Comeback, Featuring John U. Bacon, BA '86/MA '94

    Nov 20, 2022·14m
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    Episode 52: Harvest at the Campus Farm, featuring Jeremy Moghtader & Talya Soytas

    Nov 18, 2022·18m
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    Episode 51: Art Fair -- A ‘jewel in Ann Arbor’s crown,’ featuring Angela Kline

    Aug 27, 2022·20m
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    Episode 50: Making the "Joy Choice," featuring Michelle Segar, PhD, MPH, MS

    Jun 25, 2022·19m
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    Episode 49: Remembering Jim Toy, featuring Scott Dennis, MS '90

    Feb 11, 2022·18m
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    Episode 48: Tales of a G-man, featuring Greg Stejskal

    Dec 17, 2021·20m
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    Episode 47: Sing to the Colors, featuring James Tobin

    Oct 22, 2021·21m
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    Episode 46: Scents and sensibilities, featuring Michelle Krell Kydd

    Aug 28, 2021·20m
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    Episode 45: Wisdom and whimsy, featuring David Zinn

    Jun 25, 2021·24m
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    Episode 44: The (commencement) song remains the same

    May 14, 2021·16m
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    Episode 43: Art'sTangible Effect, feat. Wendell Pierce

    Feb 22, 2021·18m
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    Episode 42: The interior life of Albert Kahn, featuring Claire Zimmerman

    Jan 29, 2021·20m
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    Episode 41: The conquering heroines of Title IX, featuring Sara Fitzgerald, BA '73

    Oct 24, 2020·19m
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    Episode 40: Ken Fischer: Ann Arbor's 'Music Man'

    Aug 30, 2020·21m
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    Episiode 39: Going /aut/ with Keith Orr and Martin Contreras

    Jun 27, 2020·16m
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    Coffee, COVID, & a course correction with Sweetwaters' Lisa Bee

    Apr 25, 2020·17m
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    Prof Andrea Turpin: The first female students at U-M

    Feb 29, 2020·12m
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    The editor and the the giants

    Feb 29, 2020·20m
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    It's a Woman's World, featuring Coach Kim Barnes Arico

    Feb 28, 2020·16m
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    Capturing space at the Michigan Union

    Jan 24, 2020·13m
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    Squirrels on film, feat. Corey Seeman

    Dec 20, 2019·20m
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    The band plays on, feat. John Pasquale

    Nov 27, 2019·24m
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    There were bells, feat. Tiffany Ng

    Sep 26, 2019·21m
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    Woodstock: An acoustic synthesis of the ’60s

    Aug 30, 2019·22m
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    Talk about 'music to your ears'

    Jul 19, 2019·21m
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    Dave Sharp: Getting snazzy and jazzy on Main Street

    Jun 14, 2019·19m
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    Being not-rich at U-M

    Apr 12, 2019·17m
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    Locked in at the Bentley

    Mar 14, 2019·21m
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    And now for the highlights!

    Feb 1, 2019·15m
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    Kids today

    Dec 14, 2018·12m
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    Jerry Bilik: Strike up the band

    Dec 14, 2018·19m
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    Lee Berry: Rebirth of the State Theatre

    Dec 14, 2018·18m
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    Gail Offen: Iconic Restaurants of Ann Arbor

    Dec 14, 2018·19m
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    Terry McDonald: 22 Ways to Think About the University of Michigan

    Dec 14, 2018·15m
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    Flour Power at Zingerman's Bakehouse

    Dec 14, 2018·15m
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    Object Lessons

    Dec 14, 2018·16m
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    I Witness, feat. Andy Sacks and Jay Cassidy

    Dec 14, 2018·19m
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    Dan Chace: Football's Valhalla, The Bob Ufer Story

    A nostalgic look at a famous Michigan football touchdown call and the legacy of announcer Bob Eufer, including a documentary screening.

    Dec 14, 2018·20m
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    John U. Bacon on "The Best of Bacon"

    An interview with sports journalist John U.

    Dec 14, 2018·23m
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    Will Potter: Fighting the good fight for a free press

    An interview with journalist Will Potter about the impact of fake news on reporters and the importance of a free press.

    Dec 14, 2018·22m
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    We Can Be Heroes

    This episode tells the story of University of Michigan alumnus Raoul Wallenberg, a WWII hero who saved thousands of Jews in Budapest before disappearing.

    Dec 14, 2018·21m
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    Re:Union, the State of the Michigan Union

    Dec 14, 2018·18m