Learning the Law

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Two spouses, one law license, no pretense of neutrality.

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Phoenix and Ron, spouses and co-hosts, set American legal history beside current politics, with episode titles running from 'The Logan Act' to 'Brown VS Board of Education'. Ron is a licensed California attorney, and several conversations become a section-by-section, openly critical reading of a sprawling federal policy document.

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About Learning the Law

Learning the Law is a conversation between two spouses with very different day jobs. Ron is a licensed, practicing attorney in California. Phoenix is a journalist who has spent more than twenty years in the film industry. Together they hold American law and history up against present-day politics, and they don't pretend to stand in the middle. The episode titles show the range: 'History of Political Parties in the USA', 'History of War/Conflict in the USA', 'Monroe Doctrine', 'The Logan Act' and 'Brown VS Board of Education'. Titles also reach overseas, as in 'Netanyahu Needs Hamas'. The excerpts show a second thread running under those titles. Across several episodes, the pair read through a long federal policy document section by section, down to page numbers, and swap notes as they go. On the Justice Department section, they ask who wrote it. They identify Gene Hamilton as someone who worked in Trump's Department of Justice under Attorney General Bill Barr, and they object that every section comes back to the same fix: bring in new people. They agree with the document that public trust in the department is low, then reject its explanation for why. The housing section leads them to HUD rent subsidies, to landlords who take advantage of frightened tenants, and to older people on Social Security who rely on that help. Elsewhere they test claims about deaths linked to mifepristone against FDA records and against the US maternal mortality rate, which they note is far higher than in other high-income countries. One of the sharpest passages argues that civil rights and environmental protection are bound together. Waste ends up in marginalized neighborhoods, and, as one of them puts it, nobody will ever see an oil refinery in Beverly Hills. Education gets the same treatment: the hosts blame Republican legislation for a decline in American science and schooling, and they tie that to book bans in libraries. The tone is conversational and heated. The two talk over each other, agree in quick bursts of 'yeah' and 'exactly', and the language turns coarse when something annoys them. At least once they break off to recommend vote.org, stressing that it is free and not a sponsor. The openings carry a firm disclaimer that none of this is legal advice, and at least one intro warns that sexual assault and police brutality come up and reminds listeners they can always pause. What a listener gets is less a neutral civics primer than two informed people reading a government plan aloud and saying exactly what they think of it. For the document critique, the excerpts from 'History of Political Parties in the USA' (the Justice Department) and 'The Logan Act' (housing) are good places to start.

Made for: Suits a listener who wants American legal history and current federal policy talked through by two people who state their politics openly, and who doesn't mind strong language along the way.

What sets it apart: It pairs a practicing California attorney with a longtime film-industry journalist, and it sets history and law topics beside a section-by-section, openly critical reading of a federal policy document, down to who wrote the Justice Department section.

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Learning the Law; a podcast about US history, your rights as a citizen, and how these things affect you. We're here to help you understand your rights and how the legal system works in the USA. My name is Phoenix with my co-host and spouse, Ron. This podcast is purely educational and should not be taken as legal advice, this podcast does not create an attorney-client relationship, this podcast is based on our interpretation of relevant law. Any opinions expressed are the opinions of the individual making them and do not reflect the opinions of any firm, company, or other individuals. Ron is a licensed practicing attorney in the state of California and Phoenix is a journalist who’s been in th…

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HUD in foreign policy? Phoenix and Ron ask the question before you can shout it.

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  • to hear environmental policy tied to whose neighborhood gets the refinery
  • mifepristone death figures weighed against maternal mortality
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US legal and political historyLandmark cases, statutes and doctrinesSection-by-section critique of a federal policy documentJustice Department trust and personnelHUD and housing subsidiesAbortion medication and maternal mortalityCivil rights and environmental justiceEducation, science and book bans

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Episode #66: History of Political Parties in the USANov 4, 2024

A blunt, focused discussion of loyalty, law, and pressure on public legal institutions.

Learning the Law turns its attention to the Department of Justice through Gene Hamilton, presented here as a figure tied to Trump's DOJ under Attorney General Bill Barr.

Episode #65: The Logan ActOct 18, 2024

A candid discussion of proposed HUD changes, foreign threats, housing supply, rent subsidies, and people affected by federal housing decisions.

Learning the Law looks at proposed HUD changes and asks why the housing agency would be added to the Committee on Foreign Investment and oversight of foreign threats, particularly from China.

Episode #64: Monroe DoctrineAug 2, 2024

A Monroe Doctrine opening gives way to a focused look at abortion-pill statistics and maternal health.

Learning the Law starts with a plain question about the Monroe Doctrine, then moves into a legal and public-health discussion of mifepristone and the statistics often used to argue over its safety.

Episode #63: Netanyahu Needs HamasJul 5, 2024

A legal-current-events review of Netanyahu and Hamas, environmental justice, and Native land return.

Learning the Law treats Netanyahu and Hamas as locked in a grim mutual dependence, with Phoenix and Ron arguing that each helps sustain the other.

Episode #62: Brown VS Board of EducationJun 15, 2024

A landmark education case becomes a pointed discussion of schools, rights, and civic power.

Brown v. Board of Education gives Learning the Law a clear historical hinge for talking about American education as a present-tense public issue.

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    Episode #66: History of Political Parties in the USA

    Hidden gem

    Learning the Law traces U.S.

    Nov 4, 2024·1h 44m·5 clips
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    Episode #65: The Logan Act

    Hidden gem

    Learning the Law Episode #65, "The Logan Act," ties a 1799 federal statute to August 2024 reporting about Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Oct 18, 2024·1h 14m·5 clips
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    Episode #64: Monroe Doctrine

    Hidden gem

    ["Learning the Law Episode #64, \"Monroe Doctrine,\" explains how James Monroe's 1823 statement, written by John Quincy Adams, treated European interference in the Western Hemisphere as a hostile act.", "Phoenix and Ron trace that idea through the Falkland Islands, Hawaii, Cuba, Panama, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic, then connect it to the Roosevelt Corollary and 'speak softly, carry a big stick.'", "The hosts argue that the doctrine became a cover for U.S.

    Aug 2, 2024·1h 40m·5 clips
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    Episode #63: Netanyahu Needs Hamas

    Hidden gem

    ["Phoenix and Ron argue that Netanyahu and Hamas have been politically intertwined since the 1996 Israeli election, when Hamas suicide bombers killed 50 Israeli citizens and shifted the race.", "They cite NPR and Haaretz while reading a passage saying Netanyahu turned Hamas from a low-resource terror organization into a semi-state body through prisoner releases, Qatari cash, and imported goods.", "The episode then turns to Project 2025's EPA chapter, where \"clean air\" means more coal, oil, and natural gas, and \"safe water\" sits beside more pesticides.", "It closes with Trump's Agenda 47 impoundment pitch, where he says a president can refuse to spend appropriated money, challenge the 1974 act, and use the savings for tax cuts."]

    Jul 5, 2024·1h 47m·5 clips
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    Episode #62: Brown VS Board of Education

    Ron says Brown v.

    Jun 15, 2024·1h 13m·5 clips
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    Episode #61: History of War/Conflict in the USA

    Ron and Phoenix distinguish five congressionally declared wars from nearly 400 U.S.

    Jun 1, 2024·1h 17m·2 clips
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    Episode #60: Revisiting the 1st Amendment

    Phoenix and Ron revisit the First Amendment after Phoenix's social media comments about Harrison Butker prompted arguments about freedom of speech.

    May 25, 2024·1h 1m·2 clips
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    Episode #59: Kent State Massacre

    Phoenix and Ron mark the 54th anniversary of the Kent State shootings on May 4, 1970, with Ron identified as a California attorney.

    May 19, 2024·1h 14m·2 clips
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    Episode #58: Content Creator TogetherCon Panel

    May 3, 2024·1h 4m
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    Episode #57: History of Sedition Laws

    Apr 27, 2024·1h 17m
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    Episode #56: Leahy Laws

    Apr 21, 2024·1h 21m
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    Episode #55: History of the Secret Service

    Apr 9, 2024·1h 32m
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    Episode #54: Answering Your Questions

    Mar 15, 2024·1h 3m
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    Episode #53: Listener Request: Amazon Lawsuits

    Mar 9, 2024·56m
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    Episode #52: Part 5: Deep Dive of Project 2025 & Agenda 47

    Mar 2, 2024·54m
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    Episode #51: Part 4: Deep Dive of Project 2025 & Agenda 47

    Feb 24, 2024·1h 11m
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    Episode #50: Part 3: Deep Dive of Project 2025 & Agenda 47

    Feb 17, 2024·1h 2m
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    Episode #49: Part 2: Deep Dive of Project 2025 & Agenda 47

    Feb 10, 2024·49m
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    Episode #48: Part 1: Deep Dive of Project 2025 & Agenda 47

    Feb 3, 2024·54m
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    Episode #47: Part 5: Trump Trial Tango

    Dec 9, 2023·54m
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    Episode #46: Part 4: Trump Trial Tango

    Nov 18, 2023·44m
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    Episode #45: Part 3: Trump Trial Tango

    Nov 11, 2023·52m
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    Episode #44: Part 2: Trump Trial Tango

    Oct 27, 2023·36m
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    Episode #43: Part 1: Trump Trial Tango

    Oct 21, 2023·44m
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    Episode #42: Part 3: DATA & RESTRICT ACT (Series End)

    Aug 25, 2023·37m
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    Episode #41: Part 2: DATA & RESTRICT ACT

    Aug 16, 2023·1h 4m
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    Episode #40: Part 1: DATA & RESTRICT ACT

    Jun 21, 2023·1h 14m
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    Episode #39 - Assault & Battery

    Mar 30, 2022·50m
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    Episode #38 - Confirmation Hearings

    Mar 25, 2022·1h 14m
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    Episode #37 - International Women's History Month

    Mar 10, 2022·1h
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    Episode #36 - Are Texas Trans Youths Safe?

    Mar 3, 2022·1h 10m
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    Episode #35 - EARN IT Act

    Feb 26, 2022·58m
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    Episode #34 - War Crimes

    Feb 9, 2022·1h 6m
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    Episode #33 - Supreme Court 2022

    Feb 3, 2022·1h 5m
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    Episode #32 - Planned Parenthood v Casey

    Dec 28, 2021·1h 10m
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    Episode #31 - Roe V Wade Not Just About Abortion pt 4

    Dec 9, 2021·1h 22m
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    Episode #30 - Roe V Wade Not Just About Abortion pt 3

    Nov 20, 2021·1h 2m
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    Episode #29 - Roe v Wade Not Just about Abortion pt 2

    Nov 11, 2021·55m
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    Episode #28 - Roe V Wade Not Just About Abortion pt 1

    Oct 28, 2021·53m
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    Episode #27 - DOJ Lawsuit against Texas pt 2

    Oct 14, 2021·1h
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    Episode #26 - DOJ Lawsuit against Texas

    Oct 13, 2021·1h 2m
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    Episode #25 - Texas Abortion Law pt 2

    A legal podcast episode analyzing the Texas abortion law (SB8) and its implications.

    Oct 5, 2021·57m
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    Episode #24 - Texas Abortion Law pt 1

    This episode discusses the Texas abortion law (SB8) that bans abortion after six weeks, its legal implications, and the ongoing challenges.

    Sep 9, 2021·1h 14m
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    Episode #23: Would you like fries with that?

    The hosts attempt a professional introduction for their legal podcast, covering disclaimers and a sponsor mention.

    Aug 26, 2021·1h 14m
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    Episode #22: Mini Series part 6 - 1st Amendment Deep Dive

    A deep dive into the First Amendment of the U.S.

    Aug 22, 2021·1h 8m
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    Episode #21: Mini Series part 5 - 1st Amendment Deep Dive

    Aug 12, 2021·1h 5m
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    Episode #20: Activision/Blizzard Lawsuit

    Jul 29, 2021·2h 4m
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    Episode #19: Mini Series part 4 - 1st Amendment Deep Dive

    Jul 20, 2021·1h 17m
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    Episode #18: Mini Series part 3 - 1st Amendment Deep Dive

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