Law and Candor

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eDiscovery practitioners on data, forensics and AI after the hype.

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Law and Candor pairs co-hosts Brooks Thompson and Sarah Barsky with guests who handle the practical side of eDiscovery, from linked cloud files to phone forensics. AI runs through the conversations as a tool whose strengths and weaknesses are still being worked out, not a sure thing.

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About Law and Candor

Law and Candor stays close to the daily realities of eDiscovery. Co-hosts Brooks Thompson and Sarah Barsky share the mic, and their openings are loose and friendly. Often the warm-up is a personal question aimed at the episode's theme. Before a talk about the technology hype cycle, Sarah picks 3D printing and virtual reality as the most overhyped. Before a talk about data remediation, Brooks places himself at the low end of maximal data generation, swamped by client emails and internal aliases. Some openings also make room for what the hosts call a 'sighting of radical brilliance' before the guest joins. After that, the guest carries the substance. The subjects are narrow in a useful way. Chris Carpenter, Director of Modern Data Solutions and Enterprise Operations at Lighthouse, lays out the risk of leaving cloud attachments and linked files out of an early collection. If a court later orders them in, pulling them back can be very difficult, and after too much time some may end up unpreserved because of their custodial ownership. In A Less is More Strategy for Data Risk Mitigation, a guest makes a plain case that over-retention raises both cost and risk, since old information has to be processed and reviewed and may surface something damaging. The second-requests episode frames innovation as reflection after a challenge: what worked, what did not, and how to improve it. Kamika, who has managed more than one second request, describes the time pressure and the shifting custodians and data sources on the way to a substantial compliance deadline. Will Way, a forensics consultant at Lighthouse, brings a long view. He spent 25 years in law enforcement, and his story of starting a computer crimes unit goes back to a 1999 global denial of service attack with a link to Monmouth County, New Jersey. AI connects all of these conversations, and one sign-off jokes that it would not be an episode of the show without it. The coverage is measured. The conversation with Fernando Delgado follows the Gartner hype cycle from the peak of inflated expectations down into the trough of disillusionment. It treats that letdown as a normal phase that comes before people learn what a technology is actually good for. Sarah Moran, a marketing director at Lighthouse and an attorney, brings Lighthouse survey data on attorney attitudes. The discussion describes a small well-informed group, another group largely in the dark, and a wide middle between them. Even the forensics episode turns to AI as a faster way to identify possible evidence. Episodes close by pointing to lawandcandor.com or lighthouseglobal.com, and several guests work at Lighthouse, so the company connection is obvious. A listener tired of AI boosterism could start with Feeling Disillusioned with AI? You’re Not Alone. Someone closer to collections and preservation may get more from All in the Family: What’s Next for Cloud Attachments in eDiscovery or eDiscovery Needs Digital Forensics for a Mobile World.

Made for: Suits a listener who works with discovery data, preservation or compliance and wants practical views from specialists on cloud files, data retention, forensics and where AI actually helps.

What sets it apart: It ties its AI talk to the everyday details of discovery work, such as linked cloud files, over-retained data and second-request deadlines, and treats disillusionment with AI as a phase of the hype cycle rather than a final verdict. The two co-hosts' personal warm-up questions make the technical conversations easy to get into.

In their own words

The podcast wholly devoted to pursuing the legal technology revolution. Co-hosts Sarah Barsky and Brooks Thompson explore the impacts and possibilities that new technology, including AI, is creating for eDiscovery, modern data, compliance, privacy, and information governance.

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Brooks Thompson's 250-gigabyte inbox makes your 'keep everything' instinct look expensive.

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  • to hear Sarah Barsky and Brooks Thompson ask what an AI tool is actually for
  • to understand why collecting a linked file too late can become a preservation headache
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Feeling Disillusioned with AI? You’re Not AloneMay 9, 2025

A clear discussion of AI disillusionment as a stage in learning what the technology can and cannot do.

Law & Candor frames AI disillusionment as a familiar stage in how people learn to live with new technology. Brooks Thompson and Sarah Barsky begin with overhyped tools, from 3D printing and virtual reality to cryptocurrency, which gives the discussion an accessible human scale…

A Less is More Strategy for Data Risk MitigationMar 18, 2025

A grounded review of stale data as both a legal risk and an AI data-quality problem.

Law & Candor gives data remediation a practical technology frame, tying over-retention to discovery cost, legal risk, and the quality of information that generative AI may rely on.

All in the Family: What’s Next for Cloud Attachments in eDiscoveryFeb 20, 2025

A grounded discussion of how cloud links complicate preservation, collection, and e-discovery work.

Cloud attachments make a familiar e-discovery process much harder to preserve and control. Chris Carpenter of Lighthouse walks through the practical trouble spots: linked files that collections miss, material that is harder to add after the fact, ownership that shifts between…

How Attorneys’ Views on AI Are Impacting eDiscoveryNov 22, 2024

A survey-led legal AI discussion that weighs efficiency, privilege, accuracy, and risk.

Law & Candor brings together Sarah Moran, a marketing director at Lighthouse and an attorney, for a focused discussion on changing attitudes toward AI and e-discovery.

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  1. 1

    Feeling Disillusioned with AI? You’re Not Alone

    Hidden gem

    ["Law & Candor frames Gen AI through the Gartner hype cycle, after Brooks Thompson and Sarah Barsky compare 3D printing, virtual reality, and cryptocurrency as earlier overhyped technologies.", "Guest Fernando Delgado, head of AI and analytics at Lighthouse and a PhD from Cornell University's Bowers College of Computing and Information Science, explains how AI moves from the 'peak of inflated expectations' into the 'trough of disillusionment.'", "He describes Lighthouse's gen AI work as issue coding plus thematic analysis on responsive documents, including sets identified by humans, machines, or both, and says the output helps with second-pass review and strategic sampling.", "The episode lands on a practical rule: start with a specific pain point, use an 'engaged skepticism' toward AI adoption, and measure ROI with more than time savings or labor reduction."]

    May 9, 2025·23m·1 clip
  2. 2

    A Less is More Strategy for Data Risk Mitigation

    Sarah Garstie and Brooks Thompson interview John Cummins of Lighthouse about reducing unnecessary organizational data through retention, deletion, and Microsoft Purview.

    Mar 18, 2025·20m·1 clip
  3. 3

    All in the Family: What’s Next for Cloud Attachments in eDiscovery

    Hidden gem

    ["Law and Candor's \"All in the Family: What's Next for Cloud Attachments in eDiscovery\" centers on Chris Carpenter from Lighthouse and the problem of linked files in modern data.", "Carpenter defines linked files as documents shared via link from SharePoint, OneDrive, or Google Drive, and he contrasts them with static email attachments.", "The episode also touches the Stargate project from OpenAI, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and SoftBank, before returning to e-discovery, ESI protocols, and preservation risk.", "The conversation closes on Microsoft Copilot, Microsoft Purview, loop components, and the idea that there is still no current industry standard for linked files."]

    Feb 20, 2025·22m·2 clips
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    Innovation in Second Requests: Data is Your Greatest Asset

    Feb 4, 2025·14m
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    How Attorneys’ Views on AI Are Impacting eDiscovery

    Hidden gem

    ["Lighthouse's survey found 87 percent of respondents very interested in AI, but Sarah Moran says the biggest barrier is the need to constantly verify results.", "Sarah Varsky and Brooks Thompson open Law & Candor by linking John J.

    Nov 22, 2024·23m·1 clip
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    eDiscovery Needs Digital Forensics for a Mobile World

    Oct 8, 2024·15m
  7. 7

    The AI Trust Test in eDiscovery

    Law & Candor examines AI trust in eDiscovery through Fernando Delgado's experience in information retrieval, machine learning, and AI ethics.

    Jul 24, 2024·33m·2 clips
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    What Does Pride Mean at Work Today?

    Jun 26, 2024·31m
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    To Unlock AI’s Power, Think Predictive to Generative

    May 4, 2024·31m
  10. 10

    The Great Link Debate and the Future of Cloud Collaboration

    Oct 2, 2023·28m
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    Generative AI and Healthcare: A New Legal Landscape

    Oct 2, 2023·18m
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    Why Your eDiscovery Program and Technology Need Scalability

    Oct 2, 2023·18m
  13. 13

    What You Need to Know About the New FTC and DOJ HSR Changes

    Oct 2, 2023·23m
  14. 14

    The Power of Three: Maximizing Success with Law Firms, Corporate Counsel, and Legal Technology

    Co-hosts discuss the start of a new season, focusing on generative AI developments and legal tech trends.

    Oct 2, 2023·31m
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    Juneteenth and Legal: The Work for Advancing Equity

    Jun 16, 2023·34m
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    Juneteenth and Legal: A Legacy, Celebration, and Future

    Jun 16, 2023·31m
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    The Chat Effect: Improving eDiscovery Workflows for Modern Collaboration Data

    Mar 29, 2023·23m
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    Everything Dynamic Everywhere: Managing a More Collaborative Microsoft 365

    Mar 29, 2023·22m
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    Prioritizing Information Governance and Risk Strategy for a Dynamic Economic Climate

    Mar 29, 2023·21m
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    An Expert View on the Critical Data Privacy Issues for 2023 and Beyond

    Mar 29, 2023·25m
  21. 21

    Why Your Data is Key to Reducing Risk and Increasing Efficiency During Investigations and Litigation

    Mar 29, 2023·21m
  22. 22

    Optimizing Review with Your Legal Team, AI, and a Tech-Forward Mindset

    Mar 29, 2023·19m
  23. 23

    Anonymization and AI: Critical Technologies for Moving eDiscovery Data Across Borders

    Dec 15, 2022·23m
  24. 24

    Data Governance for the BYOD Age

    Dec 15, 2022·24m
  25. 25

    Investigative Power: Utilizing Self Service Solutions for Internal Investigations

    Dec 15, 2022·20m
  26. 26

    Legal’s Mental Health Imperative

    Dec 15, 2022·19m
  27. 27

    A Journey from One to All in Legal with Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

    Dec 15, 2022·24m
  28. 28

    Review Analytics for a New Era

    Dec 15, 2022·21m
  29. 29

    Microsoft 365 and the Age of Automation

    Apr 13, 2022·24m
  30. 30

    Closing the Deal: Deploying the Right AI Tool for HSR Second Requests

    Mar 31, 2022·21m
  31. 31

    Spring Cleaning for Legal Teams: The Cloud and Defensible Deletion of Data

    Mar 31, 2022·22m
  32. 32

    Leading in Legal with Inclusive Mentorship

    The hosts celebrate Women's History Month by interviewing Lighthouse's Chief People Officer about creating diverse and inclusive cultures, and discuss an HBR article on being a better ally in remote workplaces.

    Mar 25, 2022·21m
  33. 33

    Mapping Updates to Data Privacy Regulations Worldwide

    Mar 25, 2022·22m
  34. 34

    Legal’s Balancing Act: Risk, Innovation, and Advancing Strategic Priorities

    Mar 25, 2022·16m
  35. 35

    Staying Ahead of the AI Curve

    Nov 16, 2021·33m
  36. 36

    Finding Lingua Franca: The Power of AI and Linguistics for Legal Technology

    Nov 16, 2021·27m
  37. 37

    eDiscovery Review: Family Vs. Four Corner

    The hosts discuss AI voice recreation and debate eDiscovery review methods with a guest.

    Nov 16, 2021·22m
  38. 38

    Achieving Cross-Matter Review Discipline, Cost Control, and Efficiency

    Co-hosts discuss strategies for managing data and review in legal cases, featuring an interview on repurposing work products and a news segment on a law firm specializing in AI.

    Nov 16, 2021·22m
  39. 39

    Understanding Microsoft 365 Unindexed Items

    Nov 16, 2021·18m
  40. 40

    Getting Personal—Wearable Devices, Data, and Compliance

    Nov 16, 2021·28m
  41. 41

    AI and Analytics for Corporations: Common Use Cases

    Mar 23, 2021·25m
  42. 42

    Diversity and eDiscovery: How Diverse Hiring Practices Lead to a More Innovative Workforce

    Mar 23, 2021·23m
  43. 43

    Innovating the Legal Operations Model

    Mar 23, 2021·14m
  44. 44

    Keeping Up with M365 Software Updates

    Mar 23, 2021·19m
  45. 45

    Antitrust Changes in a New Administration

    Mar 23, 2021·21m
  46. 46

    Efficiently and Defensibly Addressing Microsoft Teams Data

    Mar 23, 2021·25m
  47. 47

    Special Edition - Law & Candor Live: Putting 2020 in the Rearview and Looking Ahead to 2021

    Dec 9, 2020·42m
  48. 48

    The Convergence of AI and Data Privacy in eDiscovery: Using AI and Analytics to Identify Personal Information

    Dec 3, 2020·15m
  49. 49

    Does Cellular 5G Equal 5x the Fraud and Misconduct Risk?

    Dec 3, 2020·23m
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    Tackling Modern Attachment and Link Challenges in G-Suite, Slack, and Teams

    Dec 3, 2020·22m