It’s All Political

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California politics, reported through close conversation.

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It's All Political is a San Francisco Chronicle politics interview show centered on California’s public fights and political personalities. Joe Garofoli brings reporters, officeholders, clergy, editors, and industry figures into direct conversations about how policy becomes power.

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About It’s All Political

It's All Political is a Chronicle-grounded politics interview show with California at its center. It follows policy where it gets messy. Joe Garofoli sets up each conversation with enough context to make the stakes clear, then presses guests through the claims, contradictions, and personal histories behind the headlines. The show is especially strong when state issues reveal national fault lines. Cannabis legalization becomes a fight over taxes, local control, regulation, and the surviving illegal market. Universal basic income becomes a story about Stockton, cash support, poverty, and Michael Tubbs’s larger argument about economic insecurity. Redistricting becomes more than a procedural map exercise. It becomes a question of who draws power, who gets heard, and how communities can take part when California’s independent citizens commission starts its work. The interviews are direct but rarely airless. A conversation with Salvador Cordelioni moves through abortion, communion, Biden, Pelosi, and vaccination status while repeatedly anchoring the public-health context. A breaking-news conversation with Jackie Speier turns a retirement announcement into a look at Congress, censure, vitriol, and the strain of public service. Exit interviews with John Diaz and Phil Mateer shift the frame toward political memory. Those episodes draw on decades of Bay Area reporting, editorial judgment, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Feinstein, and the newsroom culture around covering power up close. The show’s rhythm is plainspoken and alert. It knows the institutions, but it is not written for insiders only. The strongest moments come when guests are asked to define their own terms, explain their leverage, or account for how politics feels from inside the room. There is humor around the edges. There is also a steady belief that tax rules, district lines, endorsements, speeches, health decisions, and retirements all belong to the same civic weather system. For PlayNext listeners, it works as a smart shortcut into California political life without losing the texture of individual conversations.

Made for: For listeners who follow California politics, Bay Area power, elections, policy fights, and the personalities behind public decisions. It also suits national-politics followers who want California’s role explained through reported interviews rather than quick punditry.

What sets it apart: The show combines Chronicle access with long-form political memory, moving easily from cannabis taxes and redistricting rules to retirement announcements and newsroom exit interviews. Its strength is the grounded follow-up question: specific, local, and tied to institutional consequences.

In their own words

It’s All Political is now a part of the Fifth & Mission podcast. You can hear It's All Political on Fifth & Mission by subscribing to Fifth & Mission, the San Francisco Chronicle's flagship daily newscast. Joe Garofoli is the Chronicle’s senior political writer, covering national and state politics. He has worked at the Chronicle since 2000 and in Bay Area journalism since 1992, when he left the Milwaukee Journal. He has previously written about the intersection of tech and politics and about the politics of the cannabis industry.

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Joe Garofoli makes California power players answer the follow-up you were already muttering.

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  • California politics through candid, pointed interviews instead of another round of podium-ready talking points
  • policy arguments tested against real consequences, from guaranteed income to cannabis taxes and local bans
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  1. 1

    How Can Politics Be More Inclusive?

    ·36m
  2. 2

    How Michael Tubbs Plans to End Poverty in California

    ·35m
  3. 3

    San Francisco's Archbishop on Abortion and Not Being Vaccinated

    ·32m
  4. 4

    Jackie Speier on Her Retirement Announcement

    ·25m
  5. 5

    San Francisco Housing Politics Go Statewide

    ·21m
  6. 6

    Youngkin's Virginia Win: Could It Happen in California?

    ·21m
  7. 7

    Congressional Underdogs’ Uphill Fight Against Incumbents

    ·28m
  8. 8

    Adam Schiff on the Crisis in Democracy

    ·36m
  9. 9

    A $32M Progressive Campaign to Win Texas

    ·35m
  10. 10

    What's Next for California GOP After Recall Drubbing?

    ·24m
  11. 11

    Hakeem Jeffries on Pelosi, Trump, Biggie and Tupac

    ·27m
  12. 12

    Fifth & Mission: Now What for Gavin Newsom?

    ·24m
  13. 13

    Gavin Newsom on French Laundry and Other Errors

    ·18m
  14. 14

    CNN’s Dana Bash on California’s Two Recalls

    ·30m
  15. 15

    Crime in California: Is Proposition 47 a Success?

    ·41m
  16. 16

    Good News for Newsom while Elder Dominates GOP Rivals

    ·28m
  17. 17

    Total Recall Podcast: Can Larry Elder Really Be Governor?

    ·23m
  18. 18

    Behind the Scenes of the Barbara Lee Documentary

    ·31m
  19. 19

    Rep. Barbara Lee Gets Personal to Explain Her Politics

    ·32m
  20. 20

    How Gavin Newsom Could Get Recalled

    ·23m
  21. 21

    Can a Tough on Crime ex-Republican Be California's A.G.?

    ·33m
  22. 22

    Can Media Star/Policy Wonk Lanhee Chen Make the Jump to Politics?

    ·37m
  23. 23

    Can This Republican Be California’s Next Attorney General?

    ·36m
  24. 24

    Rob Bonta Says He’s "The People’s Attorney" Not the "Top Cop"

    ·36m
  25. 25

    Are Republicans Softening on LGBTQ Issues?

    ·41m
  26. 26

    Dianne Feinstein "Needs to Resign"

    ·36m
  27. 27

    How Democrats Are Blowing Their Messaging

    ·37m
  28. 28

    Wealthy Donors: California Isn’t Progressive Enough

    ·38m
  29. 29

    How Gavin Newsom Wants to Spend Billions

    ·30m
  30. 30

    Jaime Harrison on Wokeness and the "Joke" of Kevin McCarthy

    ·28m
  31. 31

    Jennifer Carroll Foy Could Be America’s First Black Female Governor

    ·33m
  32. 32

    Hawaii Sen. Maize Hirono’s Immigrant Story

    ·35m
  33. 33

    Chronicled: A Message from Tal and Joe

    ·2m
  34. 34

    Is This Nancy Pelosi’s Last Term?

    ·30m
  35. 35

    Pramila Jayapal Grades Biden’s 100 Days

    ·33m
  36. 36

    Getting Cops Out of the 911 Business

    ·30m
  37. 37

    A Cannabis Tax Revolt is Coming in California

    ·31m
  38. 38

    How Rich People Hurt the Rest of Us

    ·36m
  39. 39

    Fifth & Mission: Polling on Recall is Good News for Newsom

    ·18m
  40. 40

    A Bay Area Congressman's Near-death Experience

    ·21m
  41. 41

    Medicare for All: The Politics Are Changing

    ·33m
  42. 42

    Exit Interview: John Diaz

    ·42m
  43. 43

    Gavin Newsom Recall: Everything You Need to Know

    ·29m
  44. 44

    Introducing The Doodler Podcast

    ·13m
  45. 45

    California Dreaming: Gavin Newsom’s Overly Sunny State of the State Speech

    ·27m
  46. 46

    Best of IAP: "Stars and Strife": Can America Overcome Hate?

    ·36m
  47. 47

    Shirley Weber, California's First Black Secretary of State

    ·43m
  48. 48

    Phil Matier's Exit Interview

    ·46m
  49. 49

    Kevin Faulconer: Moderate Enough to Challenge Newsom?

    ·19m
  50. 50

    Senator Alex Padilla Gets Emotional

    ·25m
  51. 51

    The Most Powerful Part of Joe Biden's Speech was the Silence

    ·23m
  52. 52

    Can Joe Biden Make "Normal" Work Again?

    ·18m
  53. 53

    House Impeaches Trump Again

    ·18m
  54. 54

    Pelosi and the House Move to Impeach

    ·19m
  55. 55

    Should the President be Removed?

    ·25m
  56. 56

    Why Georgia's Senate Races Matter to California

    ·20m
  57. 57

    Best of IAP: The Real Nancy Pelosi

    ·41m
  58. 58

    Now What? Life After @realDonaldTrump

    ·35m
  59. 59

    New Senator Alex Padilla

    ·34m
  60. 60

    Alicia Garza Says Gov. Newsom Should Appoint a Black Woman to the Senate

    ·38m
  61. 61

    Ro Khanna on What Progressives Want From a Biden Administration

    ·25m
  62. 62

    Fifth & Mission: Becerra's Departure is Newsom's Opportunity

    ·18m
  63. 63

    Who Will Replace Kamala Harris in the Senate?

    ·25m
  64. 64

    Best of IAP: Kamala Harris

    ·37m
  65. 65

    It's Over: Biden Wins — What's Next?

    ·22m
  66. 66

    Election Night Wrap: What We Know

    ·27m
  67. 67

    The Lincoln Project: Trump's 24/7 Nightmare

    ·36m
  68. 68

    What Was Prop 13 Creator Howard Jarvis Really Like?

    ·39m
  69. 69

    “Mr. Vice President, I’m speaking”

    ·22m
  70. 70

    Cyberattacks! Pandemic! Misinformation! Calming Voter Anxiety

    ·34m
  71. 71

    Trump Biden Debate 1: What the Hell Was That?

    ·21m
  72. 72

    Adam Schiff: What a Post-Trump World Looks Like

    ·34m
  73. 73

    "Stars and Strife": Can America Overcome Hate?

    ·36m
  74. 74

    Bob Woodward's Trump Book Won't Change the Race

    ·28m
  75. 75

    A'shanti Gholar: Trump Is "Dog-Hollering" on Race

    ·40m
  76. 76

    Fifth & Mission: Terror at the RNC!

    ·21m
  77. 77

    Weirdest Democratic National Convention Ever: A Preview

    ·19m
  78. 78

    Katie Hill: Sex Scandal Won't Stop My Comeback

    ·29m
  79. 79

    Fifth & Mission: Why Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s Pick

    ·21m
  80. 80

    Can Joe Biden’s shift on immigration excite Latino voters?

    ·31m
  81. 81

    Black Lives Matter's Alicia Garza on the future — and Joe Biden

    ·27m
  82. 82

    Stacey Abrams: VP Search, Voter Suppression and Black Lives Matter

    ·39m
  83. 83

    Women, Declare Your Independence From Men!

    ·35m
  84. 84

    Potential Biden VP Pick Karen Bass

    ·29m
  85. 85

    What Joe Biden Has to Do to Win Young Voters

    ·32m
  86. 86

    How to Defund the Police

    ·37m
  87. 87

    Eric Swalwell’s Insider View of Impeachment

    ·31m
  88. 88

    Molly Ball on the Real Nancy Pelosi

    ·41m
  89. 89

    How Silicon Valley Will Look Different After the Pandemic

    ·38m
  90. 90

    Barbara Lee Wants a Racial Healing and Truth Commission

    ·24m
  91. 91

    The Digital Divide Is Getting Worse

    ·26m
  92. 92

    Michael Franti: Positivity in Politics and Life

    ·38m
  93. 93

    Shahid Buttar Is Challenging Nancy Pelosi From Her Left

    ·33m
  94. 94

    Pramila Jayapal on PPP, Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden

    ·40m
  95. 95

    Election Day Nightmare? Dirty Tricks, Suppression, No concessions

    ·34m
  96. 96

    From the Tea Party to "Open the States"

    ·31m
  97. 97

    Will a Presidential Transition Work?

    ·24m
  98. 98

    Kamala Harris "Would Be Honored" to Be VP

    ·37m
  99. 99

    Katie Porter: We Need Real Time Stimulus Oversight

    ·35m
  100. 100

    How to Make Redistricting Sexy

    Joe Garofoli interviews a redistricting commissioner about California's independent process for drawing political boundaries.

    ·34m
  101. 101

    A Cannabis Tax Revolt is Coming in California

    Hidden gem

    Joe Garofoli opens with Mikey Steinmetz's tax revolt: the Flo Canna co-founder says he may stop paying California's cultivation tax if Governor Gavin Newsom and the Legislature do not act by July 1, 2022.

    Dec 13, 2021·31m·3 clips
  102. 102

    How Michael Tubbs Plans to End Poverty in California

    Hidden gem

    Joe Garofoli interviews former Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs about his memoir The Deeper the Roots and his plans to address poverty in California.

    Dec 6, 2021·35m·2 clips
  103. 103

    San Francisco's Archbishop on Abortion and Not Being Vaccinated

    It's All Political host Joe Garofoli interviews San Francisco Archbishop Salvador Cordelioni about the Supreme Court's Mississippi abortion case, which could restrict abortion after 15 weeks and affect 26 states.

    Dec 1, 2021·32m·2 clips
  104. 104

    Jackie Speier on Her Retirement Announcement

    Jackie Speier tells Joe Garofoli that she will leave Congress after 2022 because her husband has spent 20 years with a “weekend wife” and she wants more time with family.

    Nov 16, 2021·25m·1 clip
  105. 105

    San Francisco Housing Politics Go Statewide

    Nov 11, 2021·21m
  106. 106

    Youngkin's Virginia Win: Could It Happen in California?

    Nov 3, 2021·21m
  107. 107

    Congressional Underdogs’ Uphill Fight Against Incumbents

    Nov 1, 2021·28m
  108. 108

    Adam Schiff on the Crisis in Democracy

    Oct 21, 2021·36m
  109. 109

    A $32M Progressive Campaign to Win Texas

    Sep 30, 2021·35m
  110. 110

    What's Next for California GOP After Recall Drubbing?

    Sep 28, 2021·24m
  111. 111

    Hakeem Jeffries on Pelosi, Trump, Biggie and Tupac

    Sep 20, 2021·27m
  112. 112

    Fifth & Mission: Now What for Gavin Newsom?

    Sep 15, 2021·24m
  113. 113

    Gavin Newsom on French Laundry and Other Errors

    Sep 13, 2021·18m
  114. 114

    CNN’s Dana Bash on California’s Two Recalls

    Sep 9, 2021·30m
  115. 115

    Crime in California: Is Proposition 47 a Success?

    Sep 7, 2021·41m
  116. 116

    Good News for Newsom while Elder Dominates GOP Rivals

    Sep 2, 2021·28m
  117. 117

    Total Recall Podcast: Can Larry Elder Really Be Governor?

    Aug 25, 2021·23m
  118. 118

    Behind the Scenes of the Barbara Lee Documentary

    Aug 17, 2021·31m
  119. 119

    Rep. Barbara Lee Gets Personal to Explain Her Politics

    Aug 16, 2021·32m
  120. 120

    How Gavin Newsom Could Get Recalled

    Jul 29, 2021·23m
  121. 121

    Can a Tough on Crime ex-Republican Be California's A.G.?

    Jul 26, 2021·33m
  122. 122

    Can Media Star/Policy Wonk Lanhee Chen Make the Jump to Politics?

    Jul 6, 2021·37m
  123. 123

    Can This Republican Be California’s Next Attorney General?

    Jul 4, 2021·36m
  124. 124

    Rob Bonta Says He’s "The People’s Attorney" Not the "Top Cop"

    Jul 1, 2021·36m
  125. 125

    Are Republicans Softening on LGBTQ Issues?

    Jun 20, 2021·41m
  126. 126

    Dianne Feinstein "Needs to Resign"

    Jun 17, 2021·36m
  127. 127

    How Democrats Are Blowing Their Messaging

    Jun 9, 2021·37m
  128. 128

    How to Make Redistricting Sexy

    Joe Garofoli interviews a redistricting commissioner about how California's independent citizens commission draws political maps and how the public can get involved.

    May 28, 2021·34m
  129. 129

    Wealthy Donors: California Isn’t Progressive Enough

    May 24, 2021·38m
  130. 130

    How Gavin Newsom Wants to Spend Billions

    May 21, 2021·30m
  131. 131

    Jaime Harrison on Wokeness and the "Joke" of Kevin McCarthy

    May 19, 2021·28m
  132. 132

    Jennifer Carroll Foy Could Be America’s First Black Female Governor

    May 11, 2021·33m
  133. 133

    Hawaii Sen. Maize Hirono’s Immigrant Story

    May 5, 2021·35m
  134. 134

    Chronicled: A Message from Tal and Joe

    May 4, 2021·2m
  135. 135

    Is This Nancy Pelosi’s Last Term?

    Apr 30, 2021·30m
  136. 136

    Pramila Jayapal Grades Biden’s 100 Days

    Apr 28, 2021·33m
  137. 137

    Getting Cops Out of the 911 Business

    Apr 26, 2021·30m
  138. 138

    How Can Politics Be More Inclusive?

    Apr 20, 2021·36m
  139. 139

    How Rich People Hurt the Rest of Us

    Apr 13, 2021·36m
  140. 140

    Fifth & Mission: Polling on Recall is Good News for Newsom

    Mar 31, 2021·18m
  141. 141

    A Bay Area Congressman's Near-death Experience

    Mar 25, 2021·21m
  142. 142

    Medicare for All: The Politics Are Changing

    Mar 24, 2021·33m
  143. 143

    Exit Interview: John Diaz

    Hidden gem

    John Diaz, retiring this week after 25 years as the Chronicle's editorial page editor, recalls Gray Davis telling him, "You effing pissed me off," after a financial privacy fight.

    Mar 19, 2021·42m·3 clips
  144. 144

    Gavin Newsom Recall: Everything You Need to Know

    Mar 17, 2021·29m
  145. 145

    Introducing The Doodler Podcast

    Mar 16, 2021·13m
  146. 146

    California Dreaming: Gavin Newsom’s Overly Sunny State of the State Speech

    Mar 10, 2021·27m
  147. 147

    Best of IAP: "Stars and Strife": Can America Overcome Hate?

    Feb 25, 2021·36m
  148. 148

    Shirley Weber, California's First Black Secretary of State

    Feb 22, 2021·43m
  149. 149

    Phil Matier's Exit Interview

    Senior political writer Joe Garofoli interviews columnist Phil Matier about the early careers of Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and Nancy Pelosi.

    Feb 5, 2021·46m
  150. 150

    Kevin Faulconer: Moderate Enough to Challenge Newsom?

    Feb 2, 2021·19m