Inconvenient Chats

Kaisa Virolainen & Jan Kleine

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Climate arguments without the easy exits.

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Jan and Kaiser work through climate questions that do not fit neatly into slogans. The show favors practical arguments, policy detail, and honest uncertainty over easy moral certainty.

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About Inconvenient Chats

Inconvenient Chats approaches climate change through the questions people often avoid because they are messy, technical, political, or morally uncomfortable. The show is conversational, but it is not loose. Jan and Kaiser usually begin with a plain premise, then sharpen it into a more useful problem. Should climate action be argued through self-interest? Does an individual matter more through lifestyle change, influence, or work inside large systems? What happens when wars force planes, ships, markets, and governments into more carbon-intensive patterns? These are the kinds of questions the show keeps returning to. Jan's economist background gives many episodes a practical frame around prices, incentives, productivity, and household costs. Kaiser's political science background keeps the conversation attentive to institutions, public choices, human rights, and the limits of business-case thinking. The pair can sound skeptical of tidy answers, but the skepticism is constructive. They are trying to make the argument usable. Recent episodes have covered carbon value added tax, the EU emissions trading scheme, geoengineering risks, emissions from wars, vegetarian choices, climate communication, and why people care about sustainability in the first place. The show often moves from abstract climate pressure to concrete examples: food prices, rerouted flights using more fuel, shipping routes affected by conflict, or everyday decisions around groceries and travel. It also allows the personal to enter without turning the conversation into confession. There is room for irritation, uncertainty, and small domestic stories at the edges. That balance matters. Inconvenient Chats works best for listeners who want climate discussion with policy texture, economic consequence, and a willingness to question the framing before accepting the answer.

Made for: For listeners who want climate conversation that connects policy, economics, ethics, and personal responsibility without flattening the tradeoffs. It fits people who can handle nuance and prefer careful discussion over slogans.

What sets it apart: The show stands out by moving between moral urgency and practical incentives without treating either as sufficient on its own. Its duo format creates a steady process of challenge, clarification, and reframing.

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Climate change is real, accelerating, and profoundly urgent - yet the world isn’t changing quickly or deeply enough. In our experience, many important conversations are being avoided, maybe unintentionally. They're inconvenient: messy, emotionally charged, a little uncomfortable, ideologically polarized, or simply complex. This is why we have started Inconvenient Chats, our podcast to create room for some of these conversations – not with all the answers, but with honest questions. We believe that if something makes you uncomfortable, that’s often a sign it’s worth exploring. We’re two friends who both have been working with climate change and sustainabi...

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Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Jan and Kaiser connect climate policy to household costs, workplace influence and personal responsibility through candid, detail-minded conversation.

Jan and Kaiser turn climate questions into conversations about how policy, money and personal choices meet. Their economist and political science backgrounds give the exchanges useful counterweights, while the two-friends format leaves room for uncertainty, follow-up questions…

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Jan and Kaiser turn climate policy into the conversation you wanted before dinner got awkward.

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  • an economist and a political scientist testing your climate assumptions against each other
  • the money argument beside the moral one, including food prices, health costs, and productivity
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climate action incentivesindividual responsibilitycarbon pricingEU emissions tradingwar-related emissionsgeoengineering riskhuman rights and sustainabilityclimate communication

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Best episodes of Inconvenient Chats

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IC27: What are the selfish arguments for climate action?Apr 15, 2026

Climate action, tied to household costs, health costs, and productivity.

This episode frames climate action through money, health, and productivity. Jan and Kaiser make the case that increased greenhouse gases can drive higher health costs and lower productivity, and the point lands because the stakes are tied to everyday life rather than distant…

IC26: What is an individual's role in fighting climate change? (with Christian Sparrevohn)Apr 8, 2026

A climate conversation about where individual effort has the most leverage.

Inconvenient Chats brings in its first guest, Christian Spavon, for a conversation that keeps returning to the balance between individual action and climate responsibility.

IC21: What is happening to the EU's emissions trading scheme?Mar 4, 2026

A clear look at how political hints can shake the EU carbon market.

The episode offers a clear look at the EU emissions trading scheme as both policy and market signal. It moves from free allowances and a 2005 field-test phase to the revision talk around ETS2, then follows the German chancellor's call at a Belgian summit to revise or postpone…

IC20: Why do you even care about sustainability?Feb 25, 2026

Sustainability is framed as a set of daily choices, not a slogan.

Inconvenient Chats treats sustainability as a matter of daily conduct, not abstraction, linking it to what gets eaten, how people shop and travel, and even how they choose an electricity provider.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Is sustainability regulation too inconvenient, or is that the point? with Andreas Rasche

    Sep 9, 2026·56m
  2. 2

    How do business and human rights fit together? with Salma Houerbi

    Sep 2, 2026·54m
  3. 3

    Why is stopping deforestation so difficult? with Markus Kröger

    Jul 28, 2026·44m
  4. 4

    How is culture shaped by fossil fuels? with Sakari Säynäjoki

    Jul 8, 2026·52m
  5. 5

    How do you navigate climate guilt and flying? with Fred Baker

    Jun 17, 2026·51m
  6. 6

    Is climate fully replaced by geopolitics? with Benjamin Gibson

    Jun 2, 2026·46m
  7. 7

    IC29: Will our dependency on oil ever end?

    Apr 29, 2026·30m
  8. 8

    IC28: What are climate change attribution studies?

    Apr 22, 2026·31m
  9. 9

    IC27: What are the selfish arguments for climate action?

    Hidden gem

    Jan and Kaiser spend the episode on the economic case for climate action.

    Apr 15, 2026·38m·2 clips
  10. 10

    IC26: What is an individual's role in fighting climate change? (with Christian Sparrevohn)

    Hidden gem

    Jan and Kaiser start by circling back to a recent talk about military emissions.

    Apr 8, 2026·46m·3 clips
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    IC25: What are the carbon emissions from wars?

    Hidden gem

    Kaiser and Jan use Inconvenient Chats episode 25 to ask what the carbon emissions from wars look like, and Kaiser calls them a "giant black hole of emissions" that is not reported.

    Apr 1, 2026·27m·2 clips
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    IC24: Should we have a climate value added tax?

    Two friends discuss whether a climate value added tax could be an effective policy instrument to change behaviors and generate financial flows.

    Mar 25, 2026·26m
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    IC23: Why does geoengineering carry global catastrophic risks?

    This episode explores the global catastrophic risks associated with geoengineering, discussing potential unintended consequences and governance challenges.

    Mar 18, 2026·31m
  14. 14

    IC22: Do human rights need a business case?

    Two sustainability professionals debate whether human rights need a business case to be prioritized in climate and economic discussions.

    Mar 11, 2026·29m
  15. 15

    IC21: What is happening to the EU's emissions trading scheme?

    Hidden gem

    Kaiser and Jan reopen the show by revisiting episode 20 and then turning to the EU's emissions trading scheme.

    Mar 4, 2026·30m·1 clip
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    IC20: Why do you even care about sustainability?

    Hidden gem

    Jan and Kaiser start by treating climate change and societal change as uncomfortable but necessary questions.

    Feb 25, 2026·28m·1 clip
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    IC19: Is the EU's regulation for batteries a blueprint for sustainable strategic autonomy?

    Feb 18, 2026·27m
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    IC18: How can geopolitical strategy advance sustainability?

    Feb 11, 2026·25m
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    IC17: Is current geopolitics the death of climate action?

    Feb 4, 2026·29m
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    IC16: Do we start caring less as we grow older?

    Jan 28, 2026·21m
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    IC15: Did also any good things happen in 2025?

    Jan 21, 2026·23m
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    IC14: What are the opportunity costs from Ecosia's pledge for a Clmate Nobel Prize and their integration of AI?

    Jan 14, 2026·26m
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    IC13: Why is (de)growth a taboo?

    Two friends discuss why degrowth is a taboo topic in climate change conversations.

    Jan 7, 2026·23m
  24. 24

    IC12: Will AI and data centres become the climate's biggest problem?

    Dec 17, 2025·24m
  25. 25

    IC11: Has Bill Gates become a climate denier?

    Two climate professionals discuss the controversy around Bill Gates' recent essay and its implications for climate discourse.

    Dec 10, 2025·22m
  26. 26

    IC10: Another planetary boundary breached - what does it mean to me?

    Two friends discuss the 2025 Planetary Boundaries health check report and its implications for climate change and societal change.

    Dec 3, 2025·22m
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    IC9.2: Do the constant bad news make us numb?

    Nov 26, 2025·15m
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    IC9.1: Do the constant bad news make us numb?

    Nov 19, 2025·20m
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    IC8: Shouldn't we be alarmed by the overuse of resources?

    Nov 12, 2025·26m
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    IC7: Are you a wizard or a prophet?

    Nov 5, 2025·25m
  31. 31

    ICF1: Feedback #1 (first reviews, IC1: False Balance)

    Nov 3, 2025·9m
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    IC6: Do you need to be an expert to have an opinion?

    Oct 29, 2025·26m
  33. 33

    IC5: Do we still need UN COPs?

    Two climate professionals discuss the effectiveness and future of UN climate conferences (COPs) in addressing global warming.

    Oct 22, 2025·33m
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    IC4: What is an inconvenient chat?

    Oct 15, 2025·18m
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    IC3: Why freedom can only be realised in liberal democracies?

    Oct 8, 2025·19m
  36. 36

    IC2: Do words matter?

    Oct 1, 2025·23m
  37. 37

    IC1: Why does false balance distort public debates?

    Sep 24, 2025·14m
  38. 38

    Inconvenient Chats: Teaser

    Sep 7, 2025·2m