If the Walls Could Talk

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A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to admit patients. During the '90s and 2000s, Edgewater Hospital performed hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries on patients just to pad its bottom line. Multiple patients died. Hear what lengths the government went in order to stop the fraud and why many believe the owner got away with it. Former employees, patients, investigators, and urban explorers recount the tangled history of what happened within the walls of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital.

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A $64 million judgment meets an abandoned rooftop pool, if that's your kind of true crime.

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  • to weigh a former hospital executive's testimony against the owner's defense, with the trial record read aloud
  • to follow Edgewater into its abandoned years, rooftop pool included
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BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 3 "Q&A"Dec 2, 2021

A locked door pulls the Teresita Basa case back toward the uneasy gap between confession and evidence.

The locked door becomes the episode's sharpest point of pressure, pulling Alan's confession about Teresita Basa back into question without turning the discussion theatrical.

BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 2 "The Trial"Nov 7, 2021

A murder trial weighs stolen jewelry, an original confession, and testimony that Teresita Basa's ghost named the accused.

Teresita Basa's murder arrives in court through stolen jewelry, Alan Showery's original confession, and the stranger claim that Teresita's ghost identified him as her killer.

BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 1 "The Murder"Oct 31, 2021

A Chicago fire opens into a theatrical murder mystery driven by a ghostly plea and lingering reasonable doubts.

An apartment fire at 2740 North Pine Grove in Chicago sends the episode into stranger territory, as Teresita Basa is said to return through Remy with a plea for Dr. Chua to call police and help stop her killer.

Ep 11: If the Walls Could Talk: Q & A Wrap UpMar 28, 2021

Edgewater Hospital's loose ends surface through rubble, celebrity visits, bankruptcy, and the damage tied to greed.

The Q&A wrap-up follows Todd Gans and Stephanie Young as they describe how Edgewater Hospital's past came into view through a blog connection, walks around the old building, and a story that gradually leaned into true crime.

BONUS: Edgewater Hospital HistoryMar 21, 2021

A warm local history of Edgewater Hospital, shaped by Dr. Maisel's ambition, staff life, and memorable residence stories.

Edgewater Hospital's early history comes through as ambition made concrete. Dr. Maurice Maisel's 1929 opening followed two years of planning and eight months of construction, and the marble-walled lobby, ornate reception area, and hotel-like look make clear how large his vision…

Ep. 6: Day of ReckoningFeb 14, 2021

A hospital legacy meets a fraud trial built around one witness's credibility.

Edgewater Hospital's fraud case moves into court with Peter Rogan accused of cheating government insurers, while his defense says he was not involved and shifts attention toward Roger Eamon and others tied to the scheme.

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Episodes

  1. 1

    BONUS: Chicago History Podcast Talks Edgewater Hospital

    Oct 27, 2022·7m
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    BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 3 "Q&A"

    Hidden gem

    If the Walls Could Talk’s bonus Q&A on Teresita Basa answers listener questions about the locked apartment door, the ruined fingerprints after the 1977 fire, and why police could not build a clean forensic case.

    Dec 2, 2021·27m·1 clip
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    BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 2 "The Trial"

    Hidden gem

    If The Walls Could Talk bonus episode "Teresita Basa, Part 2 'The Trial'" follows the Chicago murder case that sent Alan Showery to court after Teresita Basa was found dead in her apartment with a knife in her chest and the apartment on fire.

    Nov 7, 2021·30m·2 clips
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    BONUS: Teresita Basa, Part 1 "The Murder"

    Hidden gem

    If the Walls Could Talk follows the 1977 murder of Teresita Basa, a 47-year-old respiratory therapist at Edgewater Hospital who was found naked, stabbed in the chest, and burned in her Lincoln Park apartment.

    Oct 31, 2021·33m·2 clips
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    Ep 11: If the Walls Could Talk: Q & A Wrap Up

    Hidden gem

    Todd Gans and Stephanie Young use this Q&A wrap-up to explain how If the Walls Could Talk grew out of an August 2019 blog idea into a history-and-true-crime project about Edgewater Hospital, a place with almost no online coverage before they started.

    Mar 28, 2021·54m·3 clips
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    BONUS: Edgewater Hospital History

    Hidden gem

    Edgewater Hospital History traces how Dr.

    Mar 21, 2021·36m·2 clips
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    Ep. 10: Second Season of Life

    Hidden gem

    Dr.

    Mar 14, 2021·41m·2 clips
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    Ep. 9: Parade of Lies

    Hidden gem

    Peter Rogan’s return to Chicago on June 18, 2015, came as two million people filled downtown for the Blackhawks’ Stanley Cup parade.

    Mar 7, 2021·35m·2 clips
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    Ep. 8: Leave Only Footsteps

    Hidden gem

    Edgewater Hospital in Chicago closed in 2001, but the episode follows urban explorers who kept entering the campus for nearly 15 years and documenting what remained.

    Feb 28, 2021·47m·3 clips
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    Ep. 7: Fringe Benefit

    Hidden gem

    Peter Rogan missed his son’s September 2007 wedding and stayed in Vancouver after a federal judge ordered him to pay $64 million tied to the Edgewater Hospital fraud scheme.

    Feb 21, 2021·35m·2 clips
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    Ep. 6: Day of Reckoning

    Hidden gem

    Edgewater Hospital's collapse is traced through Jim Ginter, the grandson of founder Dr.

    Feb 14, 2021·35m·2 clips
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    Ep. 5: Something We Had to Do

    An investigation into the fraudulent practices at Edgewater Hospital, where hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries were performed for profit, leading to patient deaths and a federal probe.

    Feb 7, 2021·30m
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    Ep. 4: Dr. Andrew Cubria

    Jan 31, 2021·27m
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    Ep. 3: Bad Apples

    Jan 24, 2021·26m
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    Ep. 2: The Second Floor

    Jan 17, 2021·32m
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    Ep. 1: The Marvelous Dr. Mazel

    An investigation into Edgewater Hospital's fraudulent heart surgeries and the government's efforts to stop the scheme.

    Jan 10, 2021·33m