Fuse 8 n' Kate

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Two sisters test whether picture book classics hold up.

The gist

Sisters Kate and Betsy Bird take one familiar picture book at a time and read it closely enough to argue over a character's motives, a continuity slip in the art, or whether 'irritated' would work better than 'angry' in a read-aloud. The talk is teasing and quick, and the books still get scored.

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About Fuse 8 n' Kate

Fuse 8 n' Kate gives picture books the full attention a critic would give a novel, then checks whether they deserve it. The two sisters behind it are Kate and Betsy Bird, the Fuse 8 of the title. Each episode takes its title from a single book, and a run of recent ones shows the range: 'Good Dog, Carl', 'Max's Chocolate Chicken', 'The Red Book', 'Muncha! Muncha! Muncha!', 'Snowmen at Night' and 'Alligator Arrived with Apples'. Detail is what gets the conversations going. In 'Good Dog, Carl' the baby dresses the dog in a jar lid and a necklace, a look Carl pulls off, and then falls two stories down a laundry chute. The sisters react with mock alarm and a pointed question about why anyone let the baby near it. 'Max's Chocolate Chicken' becomes an argument about Ruby and why a character so clearly out to win bothers to push Max into competing. One sister thinks Ruby just wants a real contest. The other suggests she wants to see Max cry. 'The Red Book' gets a continuity check: if two children are looking at each other through their books, why is one of those books shown closed? Word choice matters too. With 'Muncha! Muncha! Muncha!' they follow a man's temper as it climbs from angry to really angry to furious with each round of gnawed sprouts. They call that build the thing that makes it a good read-aloud, then debate whether a word like 'irritated' would have taught children more or just been less fun to say. 'Snowmen at Night' gets a mock-serious look at how snowmen would actually race down a sledding hill, plus a tip to search the gaps between them on the racing page for hidden pictures. Around the books there is plenty of sibling nonsense. One episode starts with a string of absurd guesses, running from a number to a tomato to the Constitution, before the question has even been asked. In another, Betsy pats herself on the back and thanks herself by name, playing both sides of the exchange. Scores are part of the format, and the sisters remember them. Kate once tallied the six so-called Thanksgiving books Betsy has handed her since 2017, starting with 'Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs', and quizzed her on which rated highest. The answer was 'Green Eggs and Ham', with an eight, and Betsy admitted her theme had mostly been food. Letters usually come at the end, though one episode moves a letter to the top. Even the closing credits join in, listing the same person under a new joke title each time, such as 'our good boy' and 'our chocolate chicken'. The jokes do as much work here as the verdicts.

Made for: Suits a listener who knows picture books from reading them aloud and likes hearing familiar ones questioned, teased and scored rather than simply praised.

What sets it apart: It gives well-worn picture books the scrutiny usually saved for adult fiction, arguing over a character's motives or a continuity slip in the art and then putting a score on the book. All of it happens inside the running banter of two sisters.

In their own words

Two sisters, one in L.A. and one in NYC, both move to the Chicago area and start a podcast. The premise? Picture books and are they really that great? Join Kate and Fuse 8 (Betsy Bird) as they track down a picture book "classic" each episode and try to determine if it deserves to remain in the canon of children's literature.Profile image by Andrea Tsurumi

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A snowman's sled gets a physics hearing, and you may find yourself taking sides.

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  • Betsy and Kate to debate whether repeating 'angry' sounds better aloud than reaching for a thesaurus
  • to inspect picture-book art closely enough to question how a child grips balloons while wearing mittens
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Best episodes of Fuse 8 n' Kate

Short reviews from the PlayNext desk, based on the episodes we processed.

Episode 405 - Good Dog, CarlApr 13, 2026

A funny, wary picture-book review where Carl's good-dog credentials run into chutes, tanks, and disbelief.

Good Dog, Carl turns a sunny picture-book setup into a wonderfully uneasy question: what is a dog meant to do when a baby keeps drifting into danger?

Episode 404 - Max's Chocolate ChickenMar 30, 2026

Ruby wants a real rival, while Max keeps finding better things to do.

The chocolate-chicken hunt turns a simple search into a small study of sibling rivalry, attention, and the fun of getting sidetracked. Kate and Betsy follow Ruby's mounting frustration as she pushes Max to focus, while Max gathers acorns, a blue egg, a spoon, and ants before…

Episode 403 - The Red BookMar 23, 2026

Kate and Betsy turn balloons, mittens, and a red book into a lively look at picture-book continuity.

The Red Book gives Fuse 8 and Kate a sturdy playground for close-looking children's-book criticism, with a comic side-eye tucked in. Kate and Betsy track a child who leaves school, meets a cart vendor with helium balloons, lifts off in a flurry, and drops the red book into a…

Episode 402 - Muncha! Muncha! Muncha!Mar 16, 2026

A garden siege becomes a funny, attentive look at repetition, escalation, and the pleasure of reading aloud.

A garden under siege turns into a close look at comic escalation. As the sprouts keep getting gnawed, the gardener's anger rises through repeated wording until it reaches full fury, while the hosts trace how repetition, sound, and the rule of three make the book so satisfying to…

Episode 401 - Snowmen at NightMar 9, 2026

A snowman picture book gets a lively close reading of races, hidden images, and snowy little details.

This snowman picture book makes a brisk, playful case for looking closer. The hosts follow a race across the snow, wonder how skaters glide without feet, and consider whether one broad-backed racer might be headed for trouble.

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    Episode 375 - Crictor

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    Episode 403 - The Red Book

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    Episode 402 - Muncha! Muncha! Muncha!

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    Episode 401 - Snowmen at Night

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    Episode 400 - The Invention of Hugo Cabret

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    Episode 399 - Honey, I Love

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    Episode 398 - Not a Box

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    Episode 397 - Flotsam

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    Episode 354 - The Maggie B.

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    Episode 353 - Lost and Found

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    Episode 352 - The Rainbabies

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    Episode 351 - Zen Shorts

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    Episode 350 - When Marian Sang

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    Episode 349 - The Story of Jumping Mouse

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    Episode 348 - Fox All Week

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    Episode 347 - Caldecott Contenders

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    Episode 396 - Moo, Baa, La La La!

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    Episode 395 - Caldecott Contenders

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    Episode 394 - Martin's Big Words

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    Episode 393 - Ten Mice for Tet

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    Episode 392 - The Trees of the Dancing Goats

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    Episode 391 - The Twelve Days of Christmas

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    Episode 390 - Terrific

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    Episode - The Borrowed Hanukkah Latkes

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    Episode 388 - Alligator Arrived with Apples

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    Episode 387 - On the Night You Were Born

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    Episode 386 - Arlene Sardine

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    Episode 385 - The Hallo-Wiener

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    Episode 384 - What Was I Scared Of_

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    Episode 383 - Big Pumpkin

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    Episode 381 - Stephanie's Ponytail

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    Episode 380 - Fancy Nancy

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    Episode 379 - Max's Dragon Shirt

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    Episode 378 - Daddy is a Monster...Sometimes

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    Episode 377 - Papa, Please Get the Moon for Me

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    Episode 376 - A Birthday for Frances

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    Episode 404 - Max's Chocolate Chicken

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    Episode 374 - Traction Man is Here!

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    Episode 373 - Come On, Rain!

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    Episode 372 - Duck on a Bike

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    Episode 371 - Goin' Someplace Special

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    Episode 370 - Pat the Bunny

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    Episode 369 - Tadpole's Promise

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    Episode 368 - The Caterpillar and the Polliwog

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    Episode 367 - Smoky Night

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    Episode 366 - The Going to Bed Book

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    Episode 365 - Diary of a Worm

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    Episode 364 - Wolves

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    Episode 363 - Mr. Lunch Takes a Plane Ride

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    Episode 362 - Baseball Saved Us

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    Episode 361 - Martha

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    Episode 360 - It's Not Easy Being a Bunny

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    Episode 359 - Leonardo the Terrible Monster

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    Episode 358 - I Will Never Not Ever Eat a Tomato

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    Episode 355 - Fin M'Coul

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    Episode 346 - Black and White

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    Episode 345 - Where Is the Green Sheep_

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    Episode 344 - Carol of the Brown King

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    Episode 343 - Moishe's Miracle

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    Episode 342 - The Giant Jam Sandwich

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    Episode 341 - Hard Scrabble Harvest

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    Episode 340 - My Friend Rabbit

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    Episode 339 - Kitten's First Full Moon

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    Episode 338 - Skeleton Hiccups

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    Episode 337 - The Wretched Stone

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    Episode 336 - Do Not Open

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    Episode 335 - Wee Winnie Witch's Skinny

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    Episode 334 - Thirteen

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    Episode 333 - Fox

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    Episode 332 - Fireman Small

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    Episode 331 - Duck for President

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    Episode 330 - The Caboose Who Got Loose

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    Episode 329 - Wemberly Worried

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    Episode 328 - The Color Kittens

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    Episode 327 - Abuela

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    Episode 326 - Tooth - Gnasher Superflash

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    Episode 325 - little blue and little yellow

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    Episode 324 - Tomás and the Library Lady

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    Episode 323 - LIVE FROM ALA - Who's Got the Apple?

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    Episode 322 - Apple Pie Fourth of July

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    Episode 321 - Baby, Come Out!

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    Episode 320 - Mr. Maxwell's Mouse

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    Episode 319 - The Mysterious Tadpole

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    Episode 318 - Red-Eyed Tree Frog

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    Episode 317 - Dinosaur Bob and his Adventures with the Family Lazardo

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    Episode 316 - The Three Pigs

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    Episode 315 - Tops and Bottoms

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    Episode 314 - Enemy Pie

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    Episode 313 - Ginger Bear

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    Episode 312 - I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew

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    Episode 311 - Bad Kitty

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    Episode 310 - King Stork

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    Episode 309 - The Gardener

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    Episode 308 - There's No Such Thing as a Dragon

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    Episode 307 - Finn MacCoul and his Fearless Wife

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    Episode 306 - Zeralda's Ogre

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    Episode 305 - Skippyjon Jones

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    Episode 356 - Ducky

    An author shares her experience presenting her children's book at two schools, including a critical error in showing a secretary bird and a weasel.

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    Episode 382 - The Gashlycrumb Tinies

    Kate and Fuse 8 discuss Edward Gorey's macabre alphabet book 'The Gashlycrumb Tinies' for Halloween.

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    Episode 357 - Llama Llama Red Pajama

    Kate and Betsy discuss their writing weekend and introduce special guests for a children's book review episode.

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    Episode 405 - Good Dog, Carl

    Hidden gem

    Betsy Byrd and Kate Etienza revisit Alexandra Day's Good Dog, Carl, a 1985 picture book published through Green Tiger Press and later FSG.

    Apr 13, 2026·29m·2 clips
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    Episode 404 - Max's Chocolate Chicken

    Hidden gem

    Fuse 8 n' Kate spend most of the episode on Rosemary Wells's Max's Chocolate Chicken, a Max and Ruby Easter hunt built around a chocolate chicken prize.

    Mar 30, 2026·28m·2 clips
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    Episode 403 - The Red Book

    Fuse 8 'n Kate reviews Barbara Lehman's 2004 wordless picture book The Red Book, which carries a Caldecott Honor sticker and begins with a child finding a red book in a snowdrift.

    Mar 23, 2026·29m·2 clips
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    Episode 402 - Muncha! Muncha! Muncha!

    Hidden gem

    Fuse 8 n' Kate Episode 402 centers on Muncha!

    Mar 16, 2026·31m·2 clips
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    Episode 401 - Snowmen at Night

    Hidden gem

    Fuse 8 n' Kate reviews Carolyn Bunner and Mark Bunner's 2002 picture book Snowmen at Night, built around a boy who wonders what snowmen do after dark.

    Mar 9, 2026·31m·2 clips
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    Episode 400 - The Invention of Hugo Cabret

    Feb 23, 2026·42m
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    Episode 399 - Honey, I Love

    Feb 16, 2026·27m
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    Episode 398 - Not a Box

    Feb 9, 2026·28m
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    Episode 397 - Flotsam

    Feb 2, 2026·29m
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    Episode 396 - Moo, Baa, La La La!

    Jan 26, 2026·30m
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    Episode 395 - Caldecott Contenders

    Jan 20, 2026·34m
  112. 112

    Episode 394 - Martin's Big Words

    Jan 14, 2026·31m
  113. 113

    Episode 393 - Ten Mice for Tet

    Jan 5, 2026·29m
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    Episode 392 - The Trees of the Dancing Goats

    Dec 22, 2025·31m
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    Episode 391 - The Twelve Days of Christmas

    Dec 15, 2025·30m
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    Episode 390 - Terrific

    Dec 8, 2025·28m
  117. 117

    Episode - The Borrowed Hanukkah Latkes

    Nov 30, 2025·40m
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    Episode 388 - Alligator Arrived with Apples

    Two sisters discuss their history of reviewing Thanksgiving-themed children's books over eight years of podcasting.

    Nov 24, 2025·31m
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    Episode 387 - On the Night You Were Born

    Nov 17, 2025·29m
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    Episode 386 - Arlene Sardine

    Nov 3, 2025·28m
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    Episode 385 - The Hallo-Wiener

    Oct 27, 2025·31m
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    Episode 384 - What Was I Scared Of_

    Oct 20, 2025·28m
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    Episode 383 - Big Pumpkin

    Oct 13, 2025·30m
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    Episode 382 - The Gashlycrumb Tinies

    Oct 6, 2025·30m
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    Episode 381 - Stephanie's Ponytail

    Sep 29, 2025·31m
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    Episode 380 - Fancy Nancy

    Sep 22, 2025·31m
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    Episode 379 - Max's Dragon Shirt

    Sep 15, 2025·31m
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    Episode 378 - Daddy is a Monster...Sometimes

    Sep 8, 2025·32m
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    Episode 377 - Papa, Please Get the Moon for Me

    Aug 25, 2025·30m
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    Episode 376 - A Birthday for Frances

    Aug 18, 2025·29m
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    Episode 375 - Crictor

    Aug 11, 2025·30m
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    Episode 374 - Traction Man is Here!

    Aug 4, 2025·32m
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    Episode 373 - Come On, Rain!

    Jul 28, 2025·30m
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    Episode 372 - Duck on a Bike

    Jul 21, 2025·29m
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    Episode 371 - Goin' Someplace Special

    Jul 14, 2025·31m
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    Episode 370 - Pat the Bunny

    Jul 7, 2025·31m
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    Episode 369 - Tadpole's Promise

    Jul 1, 2025·29m
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    Episode 368 - The Caterpillar and the Polliwog

    Jun 23, 2025·30m
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    Episode 367 - Smoky Night

    Jun 16, 2025·32m
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    Episode 366 - The Going to Bed Book

    Jun 9, 2025·30m
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    Episode 365 - Diary of a Worm

    Jun 2, 2025·26m
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    Episode 364 - Wolves

    May 27, 2025·25m
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    Episode 363 - Mr. Lunch Takes a Plane Ride

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    Episode 362 - Baseball Saved Us

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    Episode 361 - Martha

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    Episode 360 - It's Not Easy Being a Bunny

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    Episode 359 - Leonardo the Terrible Monster

    Apr 14, 2025·29m
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    Episode 358 - I Will Never Not Ever Eat a Tomato

    Apr 6, 2025·31m
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    Episode 357 - Llama Llama Red Pajama

    Mar 30, 2025·32m
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    Episode 356 - Ducky

    An author shares her experience presenting her children's book at two schools, including audience reactions and a critical error in showing animal pictures.

    Mar 23, 2025·29m