
Long conversations at the edge of belief.
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Rabbi Rami sits down with writers, teachers, and researchers working at the edges of spirituality, psychology, and human consciousness. The conversations run long and stay curious, with plenty of warmth and self-deprecating humor from the host's side of the microphone.
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About Explore Spirituality
Explore Spirituality is an interview program hosted by Rabbi Rami, formerly presented as the Spirituality and Health podcast and now in its tenth year. The format rarely varies, and that consistency is the point. A guest arrives with a new book. Rabbi Rami has read it. What follows is an unhurried conversation that treats the book as a starting point rather than a promotional obligation. Kabir Helminski describes his first Sufi teacher and the unsentimental love he encountered in that circle, calling it spiritual gold after years of silver and brass. Joan Tollifson talks about still meditating while no longer meditating to get anywhere, because there is nowhere to go. Rebecca Martinez, founder and executive director of Alma Institute, discusses ethics and harm reduction for psychedelic facilitators and traces her own path out of a fundamentalist Pentecostal upbringing, including what it meant to recognize her queerness rather than repress it. Dr. David Rosmarin, an associate professor at Harvard Medical School and founder of Center for Anxiety, makes the case that anxiety itself is not a problem. Judith Polich, an environmentalist and wetlands advocate, argues humans need a new story about their place in life and thinks one is beginning to surface. Light Watkins recounts discarding everything that would not fit in a carry-on, then ditching the carry-on. The through-line across all of it is a host who asks real questions and does not pretend to have arrived. He confesses that he tried the tidying method and found nothing in his home sparked joy. He warns a guest, teasingly, that listeners without enough anxiety may develop some. That mix of levity and genuine attention keeps heavy material breathable. There is no house doctrine here and no altar call. Traditions get discussed as living resources rather than settled answers, which makes the show hospitable to people who read widely and belong nowhere in particular. Episodes are part of the MindBodySpirit.fm network and carry advertising. Recent changes include the new name and a listener question feature routed through the network app. With 278 episodes on the shelf, the back catalogue works well as a browsing library — pick the guest whose subject you are already circling, and the conversation tends to reward the time.
Made for: Listeners who have moved beyond a single inherited tradition but still take spiritual questions seriously, and who enjoy hearing an author interviewed by someone who read the whole book. Suits readers of contemplative nonfiction, meditators, and people curious about consciousness, psychedelics, and mental health from a non-clinical angle.
What sets it apart: The host is openly still working things out, admitting where practices like minimalism defeat him, which keeps the interviews collaborative rather than instructional. Guests span Sufism, nondual teaching, psychedelic ethics, clinical psychology, and environmental writing without the show ever settling into one camp.
In their own words
Embark on a transformative journey beyond fear-based traditions and parochial religion with Rabbi Rami Shapiro on “Explore Spirituality.” Tailored for free thinkers and the spiritually independent, Rabbi Rami, formerly the host of the Spirituality+Health podcast, answers your spiritual and religious questions and introduces you to leading thinkers investigating the cutting edge of human consciousness and civilization. “Explore Spirituality” listeners can expect a dynamic blend of humor, insight, and provocation that will leave you entertained, smarter, and inspired.
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Episodes
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Clark Strand, Waking Up to the Dark
·39m - 2
Nothing to Grasp with Joan Tollifson
·41m - 3
How to Deal With Anti-Semitism with Ayal Feinberg and Frank Levy
·48m - 4
Perry Garfinkel, How to Live Like Gandhi
·58m - 5
Rebecca Martinez, Ethics and Psychedelic Therapy
·30m - 6
Myra Goodman, How to Cultivate Spiritual Bravery
·38m - 7
Gilda Montenegro-Fix, Celebrating Diversity and Remembering Love
·38m - 8
Don Miguel Ruiz, The Art of Being Energy
·57m - 9
Brian McLaren, "Do I Stay Christian?"
·43m - 10
Mara Branscombe, Ritual as Remedy
·37m - 11
Neal Allen and Anne Lamott, How to Challenge the Inner Critic
·1h 5m - 12
Ellen Evert Hopman, Herbal Traditions for Yule and Christmas
·37m - 13
Judith Polich, How to Be More Like Trees
·28m - 14
Dr. Gavin Francis, The Art of Convalescence
·37m - 15
Perdita Finn, Conversations With the Unseen World
·36m - 16
Dr. Norman Rosenthal, Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder
·32m - 17
Dr. David Rosmarin, How to Thrive With Anxiety
·33m - 18
Kristoffer Hughes, The Power of Druidry
·35m - 19
Dr. E. Elisabet Lahti, The Unsung Beauty of Ordinary Enlightenment
·34m - 20
Dr. Allan Hamilton, The Enlightenment Lab
·31m - 21
Myles Mellor, The Zen of Crossword Puzzles
·34m - 22
Light Watkins, Travel Light With Spiritual Minimalism
·30m - 23
Susan Bauer-Wu, A Future We Can Love
·40m - 24
Cheryl Pallant, Healing the World With Ecosomatics
·34m - 25
Sherianna Boyle, Energy in Action
·34m - 26
Andrea Sherman, Practices for Shattered Nights
·33m - 27
Chip Conley, The Time of Our Lives
·41m - 28
Rev. Wendy Van Allen, Relighting the Cauldron
·36m - 29
Dr. Joel Bennett, Become A Connoisseur of Time
·36m - 30
Laurie Sue Brockway, Put Your Wisdom to Work
·38m - 31
Stephen Kiesling, The Roots of American Spirituality
·38m - 32
Cyndie Spiegel, Towards Joy
·31m - 33
Rev. Ryan Althaus, From Emaciated to Emancipated
·37m - 34
Steven Washington, Recovering You
·34m - 35
Steven Washington, Recovering You
·38m - 36
Clark Strand, Waking Up to the Dark
·34m - 37
Rumi and The Mysterion with Kabir Helminski
·37m - 38
Dr. Ken Mogi, The Way of Nagomi
·28m - 39
Dr. Ken Mogi, The Way of Nagomi
·33m - 40
Dr. Joanna LaPrade, Navigating Darkness
·34m - 41
Dr. Joanna LaPrade, Navigating Darkness
·39m - 42
Julie Peters, Decolonizing Therapy
·36m - 43
Dr. Deborah Egerton, Social Justice and the Enneagram
·39m - 44
Ari Wallach, Becoming Great Ancestors
·37m - 45
Adrienne van der Valk, Mindfulness Over Merlot
·43m - 46
Dr. Carrie Wilkens, Beyond Addiction
·39m - 47
Mark Nepo, Surviving Storms
·39m - 48
Dr. Rachel Turow, The Self-Talk Workout
·33m - 49
Julia Cameron, Seeking Wisdom
·39m - 50
Awyn Dawn, Paganism on Parole
·38m - 51
Machiel Klerk, Receiving Dream Guidance
·35m - 52
Rabbi Rami Shapiro, "Judaism Without Tribalism"
·45m - 53
Fariha Róisín, Who is Wellness For?
·39m - 54
Natalie Goldberg, Writing and Zen Buddhism
·37m - 55
Dr. Rachel Allyn, "Bodyfulness" and Pleasure
·39m - 56
Sweta Srivastava Vikram, Ayurvedic Healing
·39m - 57
Paul Denniston, Grief Yoga
·39m - 58
Sarah Bowen, Sacred Sendoffs
·43m - 59
Zenju Earthlyn Manuel, The Shamanic Bones of Zen
·30m - 60
A. H. Almaas, Keys to the Enneagram
·38m - 61
Apolo Ohno, Pivoting From Uncertainty
·45m - 62
Annabel Streets, 52 Ways to Walk
·41m - 63
Morgan Harper Nichols, Peace Is a Practice
·35m - 64
Vanessa Chakour, Awakening Artemis
·37m - 65
Grace Ji-Sun Kim, Invisible
·47m - 66
Reverend Dr. Jacqui Lewis, Fierce Love
·35m - 67
Shelly Tygielski, Radical Self-Care for Social Change
·39m - 68
Lisa Broderick, Living a Limitless Existence
·36m - 69
Pamela Seelig, Threads of Yoga
·40m - 70
John Pavlovitz, If God Is Love ... Don't Be a Jerk
·37m - 71
Robert Thurman, Wisdom Is Bliss
·45m - 72
Connie Zweig, Shifting From Role to Soul
·40m - 73
Alex Mandes, Our Multiethnic Future
·34m - 74
Tao Lin, Leave Society
·35m - 75
Susan Cross, Fieldnotes From a Crone
·37m - 76
Michelle Cassandra Johnson, Finding Refuge
·35m - 77
Sadhvi Bhagawati Saraswati, Hollywood in the Himalayas
·40m - 78
James Jeffrey, The Camino De Santiago Vibe
·29m - 79
Neal Allen, Discover God Inside You
·40m - 80
Kristin Neff, Fierce Self-Compassion
·37m - 81
Tracee Stanley, Radiant Rest and Yoga Nidra
·36m - 82
Grace Ji-Sun Kim, Body Prayer and Divine Feminine
·35m - 83
Lyanda Haupt, Life at the Crossroads of Science, Nature, and Spirit
·33m - 84
Dance Psychologist Peter Lovatt
·32m - 85
Hala Khouri on Trauma
·32m - 86
Brian McLaren, author of Faith After Doubt
·35m - 87
Luvvie Ajayi Jones: Author, culture critic, and activist
·35m - 88
Author Natalie Goldberg
·31m - 89
Podcast: Therapist Maci Daye
·38m - 90
Podcast: Progressive minister Rev. Jes Kast
·37m - 91
Kevin Anderson, Ph.D. on Nested Meditations
·35m - 92
Sarah Wilson, author of This One Wild and Precious Life
·31m - 93
Robyn Moreno, a modern-day curandera
·33m - 94
Podcast: Dr. Lydia Dugdale on the Lost Art of Dying
·36m - 95
Podcast: Jacqueline Suskin, spontaneous poet
·35m - 96
Lama Rod Owens: Buddhist teacher, author and activist
·29m - 97
Podcast: Rev. Michael Curry on the Searing Power of Love
·37m - 98
Podcast: Jaimal Yogis, author and Soulful Surfer
·27m - 99
Podcast: Sue Stuart-Smith, on the Well-Gardened Mind
·25m - 100
Podcast: Psychologist Rick Hanson
·32m - 101
Rumi and The Mysterion with Kabir Helminski
Hidden gemRabbi Rami and Kabir Helminski discuss Rumi, The Mysterion, and why Helminski says the human person has a "portal to divine reality" in the "inmost secret." Helminski describes Sufism as purification through "polish the mirror of your heart" rather than "campaigns" or "uniforms." He contrasts scientific measurement with the qualitative life of "soul" and "heart," where people perceive value, meaning, and relationship.
Apr 25, 2024·37m·2 clips - 102
Nothing to Grasp with Joan Tollifson
Hidden gemRabbi Rami introduces Joan Tollifson and her book Nothing to Grasp, then frames her work through the website phrase "The Simplicity of What Is" and a Hebrew reading of "ma" and the divine name.
Apr 5, 2024·41m·2 clips - 103
How to Deal With Anti-Semitism with Ayal Feinberg and Frank Levy
Mar 22, 2024·48m - 104
Perry Garfinkel, How to Live Like Gandhi
Mar 8, 2024·58m - 105
Rebecca Martinez, Ethics and Psychedelic Therapy
Rabbi Rami interviews Rebecca Martinez, founder of Alma Institute and author of Whole Medicine, about ethics and harm reduction in psychedelic therapy.
Feb 23, 2024·30m·2 clips - 106
Myra Goodman, How to Cultivate Spiritual Bravery
Hidden gemMyra Goodman and Rabbi Rami discuss spiritual bravery through Goodman's essay with Trudy Goodman and the life of her father, Mendic Rubin.
Feb 9, 2024·38m·2 clips - 107
Gilda Montenegro-Fix, Celebrating Diversity and Remembering Love
Hidden gemExplore Spirituality features Hilda Montenegro-Fix, an Olympic whitewater slalom kayaker, founder of Celebrate Diversity, and author of “Remembering Love” in Spirituality & Health magazine’s January-February 2024 issue.
Jan 26, 2024·38m·2 clips - 108
Don Miguel Ruiz, The Art of Being Energy
Jan 12, 2024·57m - 109
Neal Allen and Anne Lamott, How to Challenge the Inner Critic
Dec 29, 2023·1h 5m - 110
Ellen Evert Hopman, Herbal Traditions for Yule and Christmas
Dec 15, 2023·37m - 111
Judith Polich, How to Be More Like Trees
Rabbi Rami interviews environmentalist Judith Pollich about her book on trees as models for cooperation and a new story for humanity.
Nov 17, 2023·28m - 112
Dr. Gavin Francis, The Art of Convalescence
Nov 3, 2023·37m - 113
Perdita Finn, Conversations With the Unseen World
Oct 27, 2023·36m - 114
Dr. Norman Rosenthal, Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder
Oct 6, 2023·32m - 115
Dr. David Rosmarin, How to Thrive With Anxiety
Rabbi Rami interviews Dr.
Sep 22, 2023·33m - 116
Kristoffer Hughes, The Power of Druidry
Sep 8, 2023·35m - 117
Dr. E. Elisabet Lahti, The Unsung Beauty of Ordinary Enlightenment
Aug 25, 2023·34m - 118
Dr. Allan Hamilton, The Enlightenment Lab
Aug 11, 2023·31m - 119
Myles Mellor, The Zen of Crossword Puzzles
Jul 28, 2023·34m - 120
Light Watkins, Travel Light With Spiritual Minimalism
Rabbi Rami interviews Light Watkins about spiritual minimalism and living a more fulfilled life.
Jul 14, 2023·30m - 121
Susan Bauer-Wu, A Future We Can Love
Jun 30, 2023·40m - 122
Cheryl Pallant, Healing the World With Ecosomatics
Jun 16, 2023·34m - 123
Sherianna Boyle, Energy in Action
Jun 2, 2023·34m - 124
Andrea Sherman, Practices for Shattered Nights
May 19, 2023·33m - 125
Chip Conley, The Time of Our Lives
May 5, 2023·41m - 126
Rev. Wendy Van Allen, Relighting the Cauldron
Apr 21, 2023·36m - 127
Dr. Joel Bennett, Become A Connoisseur of Time
Apr 7, 2023·36m - 128
Laurie Sue Brockway, Put Your Wisdom to Work
Mar 24, 2023·38m - 129
Stephen Kiesling, The Roots of American Spirituality
Mar 10, 2023·38m - 130
Cyndie Spiegel, Towards Joy
Feb 24, 2023·31m - 131
Rev. Ryan Althaus, From Emaciated to Emancipated
Feb 20, 2023·37m - 132
Steven Washington, Recovering You
Feb 10, 2023·38m - 133
Steven Washington, Recovering You
Feb 10, 2023·34m - 134
Clark Strand, Waking Up to the Dark
Jan 27, 2023·34m - 135
Clark Strand, Waking Up to the Dark
Jan 27, 2023·39m - 136
Dr. Ken Mogi, The Way of Nagomi
Jan 13, 2023·33m - 137
Dr. Ken Mogi, The Way of Nagomi
Jan 13, 2023·28m - 138
Dr. Joanna LaPrade, Navigating Darkness
Dec 30, 2022·34m - 139
Dr. Joanna LaPrade, Navigating Darkness
Dec 30, 2022·39m - 140
Julie Peters, Decolonizing Therapy
Dec 16, 2022·36m - 141
Dr. Deborah Egerton, Social Justice and the Enneagram
Dec 2, 2022·39m - 142
Ari Wallach, Becoming Great Ancestors
Nov 18, 2022·37m - 143
Adrienne van der Valk, Mindfulness Over Merlot
Nov 4, 2022·43m - 144
Dr. Carrie Wilkens, Beyond Addiction
Oct 21, 2022·39m - 145
Mark Nepo, Surviving Storms
Oct 7, 2022·39m - 146
Dr. Rachel Turow, The Self-Talk Workout
Sep 23, 2022·33m - 147
Julia Cameron, Seeking Wisdom
Sep 9, 2022·39m - 148
Awyn Dawn, Paganism on Parole
Aug 26, 2022·38m - 149
Machiel Klerk, Receiving Dream Guidance
Aug 12, 2022·35m - 150
Rabbi Rami Shapiro, "Judaism Without Tribalism"
Rabbi Rami Shapiro discusses his new book 'Judaism Without Tribalism' and explores spirituality beyond traditional religion.
Jul 29, 2022·45m