
Working musicians, real rooms, no mythology.
The gist
Paul talks with musicians about the practical, funny, and bruising parts of making music. Recent episodes move from Baltimore venues and German rooms to Anvil, Los Lobos, Teeth Out, Trash Diva, and Radar Waves.
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About (Don't) Quit Your Day Job
(Don't) Quit Your Day Job is a music conversation show about what remains after the glamour has been scraped off. Paul talks with musicians about touring, recording, aging, audience turnout, scene loyalty, and the stubborn private logic that keeps people making noise. The show has a punk and heavy-music center of gravity, but it ranges wider than genre tags suggest. One recent run moves from Trash Diva’s Baltimore perspective to Radar Waves in Germany, from Doping the Void’s German show logistics to Anvil’s long-haul artistic discipline. It also reaches back into Los Angeles club history with Steve Berlin and Top Jimmy and the Rhythm Pigs. The texture is lived-in. Guests are asked about specific rooms, awkward shows, old records, vocal choices, EP order, guitar lessons, and what it feels like when strangers actually show up. Paul’s style is loose, teasing, and conversational, with enough self-mockery to keep the interviews from becoming reverent. The jokes can be blunt. The questions often are, too. Under that surface, the show keeps circling practical wisdom: how bands survive disappointment, how scenes change, how musicians measure success when fame is not the point, and how a small crowd can still mean something. It is especially strong when comparing U.S. and European live music cultures. Germany, Berlin, Munich, Braunschweig, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Prince Edward Island, and Hollywood all become part of the same working map. Big names are not handled as trophies. Steve "Lips" Kudlow, Steve Berlin, Josh Lavigne, Charlie Thornton, Mike, Nikki, and others are folded into the same ongoing argument about craft and persistence. The result feels less like promo-cycle interviewing than a long conversation between people who know the awkward parts of music firsthand. It is funny. It is occasionally chaotic. It is also unusually honest about why people keep playing when the room is small and the next show still has to happen.
Made for: For listeners who care about punk, metal, indie, and club-level music culture from the inside. It especially fits musicians, former band members, venue regulars, and anyone curious about touring realities beyond press-release success stories.
What sets it apart: The show stands out by treating musicianship as everyday work rather than legend-building. Paul’s interviews stay close to rooms, records, crowds, and the small decisions that shape a band’s life.
In their own words
Did you move to LA in the 80's to make it on Sunset Strip? There are many stories about making music for a living. Sometimes you need a day job and sometimes you play the worst gig. Let's talk about the stuff that happened with people who have "made it" or "come close" or played to a dog in an otherwise empty room. There are funny and enlightening stories out there, so I started a podcast to tell these stories.
As heard by us
Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026
Candid musician interviews make the practical choices behind touring, recording and sustaining a band unusually legible.
Paul gets musicians talking about the decisions and indignities that sit behind a functioning band. His interviews move easily between touring logistics, record-making choices and the stubborn economics of staying active, with enough personal experience in the room to make the…
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Twelve Berlin presales feel like a victory when you've ever tried filling a room.
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Episodes
- 1
Episode 240 with Immortal Girlfriend: You Create Your Own Atmosphere
·31m - 2
Episode 224 with Nick McGraw (Buzzbin): We Are The Next Step Up From The Basement
·29m - 3
Episode 223 with Brian McGee (The Danzas): Maybe This Will Sound Terrible but at Least I'm Doing Something
·34m - 4
Episode 222 with Richard Dean Girt III (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): Gatekeeping at the Crossroads of Religion and Music Scenes
·17m - 5
Episode 267 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): Don't Be a Jerk
·31m - 6
Episode 266 with Radar Waves on tour in Germany
·12m - 7
Episode 265 with Charlie Thornton (Radar Waves): Important German Phrases to Prepare for German Shows
·25m - 8
Episode 264 with Joerg Frauendiener (Doping the Void): We Did Our Best And It Was Just Fun
·31m - 9
Episode 263 with Steve "Lips" Kudlow (Anvil): We’re Making Albums Out Faster Than Our Fans Are Absorbing Them
·31m - 10
Episode 262 with Steve Berlin (Los Lobos): It Was the Best Place to be on a Monday Night in LA
·33m - 11
You Listen To Hot Garbage 002: Defending Dierks Bentley with AJ Blume
·10m - 12
Episode 261 with Josh Lavigne (Teeth Out): If It’s a Competition, We’ve Already Lost
·33m - 13
Episode 260 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): I’d Cringe at Every Note I Played
·32m - 14
You Listen To Hot Garbage 009: Defending Slaughter with Tammy Wallace (Stereo Scandal, Creedmoors, Saturn Rise)
·20m - 15
You Listen To Hot Garbage 007: Defending Yello with Tim Emanuel (The Danzas)
·21m - 16
You Listen To Hot Garbage 006: Defending Reel Big Fish with Pete Magliocco
·27m - 17
You Listen To Hot Garbage 005: Defending Merengue with Bree Myers (Allegedly Records)
·19m - 18
You Listen To Hot Garbage 004: Defending The Goo Goo Dolls with Mike Jacobs (On The Cinder)
·18m - 19
You Listen To Hot Garbage 003: Defending Brand New with Rachel Blume
·18m - 20
Episode 259 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): AI Is Coming For Us All
·33m - 21
Episode 258 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): Maybe You Saved Your Artwork From Grade School
·25m - 22
Episode 257 with Connor Frost (Dizzy Bats): Everyone Deserves That Path to Self Expression
·31m - 23
Episode 256 with Steve Wynn (The Dream Syndicate): We Did Feel a Lot of Kinship With Bands Like Black Flag
·32m - 24
Episode 255 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): Because It’s Just a Hollywood Friendship
·28m - 25
Episode 254 with John Heintz (The Big Ol' Nasty Getdown): Who Is Just a Lot of Fun to be Around?
·34m - 26
Episode 253 with Mordecai Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles, Subarctic Beach Party): I Don’t Think That We Are Catering to a Certain Audience
·33m - 27
Episode 252 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): Can Art and Social Media Coexist?
·28m - 28
Episode 251 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): The 80’s Did a Lot of Bad Things but the Drums Are Terrible
·32m - 29
Episode 248 with Charlie Thornton (Radar Waves): Also I Don’t Want People to See What I Do On a Daily Basis
·23m - 30
Episode 247 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): If You Wanna Be Famous Cut Your Hair and Wear Cooler Clothes
·35m - 31
Episode 246 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): We All Had Grand Notions of What it Would Look Like
·35m - 32
Episode 245 with Rebel Chef Radio: Steely Dan is a Potato
·8m - 33
Episode 244 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): The Last Time I played There Was With Billy Gibbons
·33m - 34
Episode 243 with Teeth Out: Punk Rock vs. Honeymoon Suite
·5m - 35
Episode 242 with Loren Molinare (Slamdinistas, Little Caesar): The World Does Not Need Another Singer-Songwriter
·33m - 36
Episode 241 with Brian Dendy: I Focus On My Pocket and Staying in the Groove as Long as I Can
·31m - 37
You Listen To Hot Garbage 008: Defending Chappell Roan with Tammy Wallace (Stereo Scandal, Creedmoors, Saturn Rise)
·24m - 38
Episode 239 with Last Ditch Effort: I Wish More Bands Were Political
·35m - 39
Episode 238 with Teeth Out: We Played Our First Show Four Days Ago
·34m - 40
Episode 237 with Pathos and Logos: I Was About to Disavow the Nerdiness
·36m - 41
Episode 236 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): There’s Always a Huge Ego Thing Going On
·29m - 42
Episode 235 with Chase the Comet: And Then You Get to Play it Live and Rock Hard
·37m - 43
Episode 234 with Mitch McCallum (Regal Foul): I Just Love Having the Music Heard
·34m - 44
Episode 233 with Matt Weiss (Off Guard): We Try to Make Our Songs Seem Larger Than Life
·31m - 45
Episode 232 with Tim Nave (TAKAT): You Have to Know When It’s Work and When It’s Love
·34m - 46
Episode 231 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): We Need to Remember to Make the Crowd a Part of the Show
·27m - 47
Episode 230 with Will West (Paperback Tragedy): I Think Solo Albums Are Extremely Pretentious
·32m - 48
Episode 229 with Pharoah Barrett (Little Caesar): I Guess They Took It Personally Because They Haven’t Called Back
·32m - 49
Episode 228 with Jonathan Kent (This Is Just A Record Label): If I Dig It Then I’m Gonna Wanna Work With You
·32m - 50
Episode 227 with Ben Huggins (Galactic Cowboys): There Might Still Be People Going I Hate That Band
·30m - 51
Episode 226 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): Well, That Wasn't My Dream Gig
·28m - 52
Episode 225 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): Well, at First You Panic
·34m - 53
Episode 221 with Joshua Lastine (Lastine Entertainment Law): My First Job Was as an Unpaid Intern at American Idol
·31m - 54
Episode 219 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): But I'm Old And I'd Probably Forget
·34m - 55
Episode 218 with Jessica Ball (EYE, MWWB): Much Less Hassle Having Fewer Band Members
·29m - 56
Episode 215 with John Helps (MAYBESHEWILL): We Thought We Were Making Music for Our Friends to Listen to
·37m - 57
Episode 214 with Eric McMyermick (Caravan Discordia): All The Things I Think Are Cool, Let's Squeeze 'em Into One Song
·34m - 58
Episode 213 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): Because We're Guitar Players We Love to Play Loud
·35m - 59
Episode 212 with Ryan Waltz (Horrorwood Ending): In This Genre, Writing Songs Just Feels Like Writing a Book Report
·34m - 60
You Listen To Hot Garbage 001: Defending 80's era ZZ Top with Mark Tremalgia
·18m - 61
Episode 211 with Jon Cattivera (Time Spent Driving): I Wasn't as Obsessed with Death Back Then
·35m - 62
Episode 210 with Sarah Patricia (Antagonizör): It's Fun To Piss People Off
·30m - 63
Episode 209 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): I Turned It just Enough So Sound Came Out of It and the Sound Guy Said Woah!
·32m - 64
Episode 208 with Mike Schulte (The Pork Tornadoes): You Learn This Cool Thing That Small Towns Love Music Too
·36m - 65
Episode 207 with Mike Jacobs (On The Cinder): In Buffalo We're Open to a Little More Ruggedness
·34m - 66
Episode 206 with Vinny Marone (Loud Love, Jersey Calling): In My Mind It's Almost Like a Mix Tape, Telling a Cohesive Story
·33m - 67
Episode 205 with Chris Sichok (Right On Warriors): Are You Really Gonna Call Up Your Aunt And Make Her Trek Out To a Show Again
·30m - 68
Episode 204 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): The Drunk Feeling Has Never Been a Good Feeling to Me
·30m - 69
Episode 203 with Trev Allen (The Struggling Artist): If You Love Music You Like to Hear the Stories of the People That Come On
·29m - 70
Episode 202 with Craig Hall (Curse Words): Really Trying To Get a Cohesive Space Sci-Fi Concept
·30m - 71
Episode 201 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): I Would Tell Myself To Not Be As Scared
·43m - 72
Episode 200 with Bree, Jimmy, and Charlie: Looking For Ghosts in Philipsburg, PA
·36m - 73
Episode 199 with Jon Ryan Sugimoto: Telling These Stories Is a Form of Freedom So I Don't Have To Be Interesting In a Room
·33m - 74
Episode 198 with Jacknife Powerbombs: I Don't Think That Was Ever Anybody's Dream
·34m - 75
Episode 197 with Steve Cee (RATH & the Wise Guys): I Am Not Interested Enough To Learn The Trends and Be Cheesy
·30m - 76
Episode 196 with John Grove (Coffee With Lions): Yeah We've Talked a Lot and Haven't Figured Out Anything
·34m - 77
Episode 195 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): And Master of None Is An Understatement
·32m - 78
Episode 194 with Aki McCullough (Dreamwell): We Play The Songs Hundreds of Times Before We Record Them
·32m - 79
Episode 193 with Bree Myers (Allegedly Records): I Look Like the Barbie Version of Danny DeVito
·28m - 80
Episode 192 with Hans Gruber and the Die Hards: I'm Always Trying to Impress My Teenage Self
·40m - 81
Episode 191 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): In Defense Of...Hair Metal; I Remember Getting There and Everyone Was Dressed The Same
·27m - 82
Episode 190 with Chuck Veri (iNCO FIdO): In Defense of...The Origin of Ska; I Don't Know Man, They're Pretty Similar to Me
·15m - 83
Episode 189 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): I Can Remember the Shred War During Sam Kinison's "Wild Thing"
·36m - 84
Episode 188 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): In Defense of...Hans Gruber and the Die Hards
·15m - 85
Episode 187 with Dave Simonich (Signs of the Swarm): Definitely a Pittsburgh Band, Forged in the Rust
·36m - 86
Episode 186 with Chris Urriola: Message to Myself; Yo, Play Shows
·30m - 87
Episode 185 with Thomas Andrew Doyle (TAD): I Have Always Had a Vision Since The Beginning And I Wanted to Attain It
·28m - 88
Episode 184 with Neil Rubenstein: I'd Rather Just Get The Parking Ticket
·41m - 89
Episode 183 with Charlie Thornton (Radar): In Defense of LOCAL H
·20m - 90
Episode 182 with Jason Bieler: It's Like I Have These Really Strange Radio Stations In My Head
·31m - 91
Episode 181 with Matt Morris (Fire Sale): Whenever I Hear "Supergroup", I Think of Those Guys
·32m - 92
Episode 180 with David Rokos: I Don't Want The Music To Be The Worst Part
·35m - 93
Episode 179 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): There's No Anger Like You Might feel Here
·32m - 94
Episode 178 with Black Guy Fawkes: I Am Making This Music For Me And Me Only
·30m - 95
Episode 177 with Knox Colby (Enforced): Everyone Just Likes Music And Wants To Have a Good Time
·32m - 96
Episode 217 with Pierce Turner: I Don't Have an Ambition To Be a Legend But I Do Have an Ambition To Have an Audience
Host Paul interviews Irish musician Pierce Turner about his lack of ambition to be a legend and his desire for an audience, discussing his 1989 album 'The Sky on the Ground'.
·31m - 97
Episode 249 with Steven Roback (Rain Parade): The Universal Experience of Being Alive
Paul interviews Steven Roback of Rain Parade about the band's 80s origins and musical influences, exploring crossover appeal with rock and metal fans.
·33m - 98
Episode 250 with Eddie Trizzino (Subarctic Beach Party): Working With Two People Is All I Can Handle
Paul interviews Eddie Trizzino about his band Subarctic Beach Party, discussing the cleverness and usefulness of their band name.
·32m - 99
Episode 220 with Mario Rivera (Left Unsaid, Nights Like Thieves): It's Been 20 Years Since We Released a Brand New Song
Mario Rivera discusses the band Left Unsaid's reunion after 20 years, including a new song and a movie premiere.
·31m - 100
Episode 216 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): I Have Never Seen So Many People in One Place as From The Whiskey to Gazzarri's
Guitarist Mark Tremalgia discusses his approach to teaching guitar and his experiences in the Hollywood music scene.
·32m - 101
Episode 268 with Trash Diva: Is Baltimore Safe? It Is Awesome
Hidden gemHost Paul and guests from Trash Diva discuss the safety and character of Baltimore, sharing personal experiences and perspectives on the city's patchy reputation.
Apr 10, 2026·32m·2 clips - 102
Episode 267 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): Don't Be a Jerk
Hidden gemPaul and Mark Tremalgia discuss when bands deserve to be made fun of while on tour.
Apr 2, 2026·31m·1 clip - 103
Episode 266 with Radar Waves on tour in Germany
A casual conversation with the band Radar Waves about their tour in Germany, including their first show in Munich and their excitement for upcoming shows.
Mar 26, 2026·12m - 104
Episode 265 with Charlie Thornton (Radar Waves): Important German Phrases to Prepare for German Shows
Charlie Thornton discusses his upcoming German tour and the need to learn important German phrases, while also sharing his anxiety about the long flight.
Feb 27, 2026·25m - 105
Episode 264 with Joerg Frauendiener (Doping the Void): We Did Our Best And It Was Just Fun
Paul interviews his longtime bandmate Joerg Frauendiener about their band Doping the Void and differences between playing shows in Germany versus the US.
Feb 12, 2026·31m - 106
Episode 263 with Steve "Lips" Kudlow (Anvil): We’re Making Albums Out Faster Than Our Fans Are Absorbing Them
Hidden gemOn Don't Quit Your Day Job, Steve "Lips" Kudlow says the Anvil movie changed his career so completely that he has not worked a day job in close to 20 years.
Jan 29, 2026·31m·3 clips - 107
Episode 262 with Steve Berlin (Los Lobos): It Was the Best Place to be on a Monday Night in LA
Hidden gemSteve Berlin tells Paul why Top Jimmy at The Cathay and the Café de Grande felt like "blues with punk rock energy" in late-1970s Hollywood.
Jan 22, 2026·33m·2 clips - 108
Episode 261 with Josh Lavigne (Teeth Out): If It’s a Competition, We’ve Already Lost
Hidden gemJosh Levine says Teeth Out's 2025 run includes three EPs, a planned full-length LP, and a new EP called Here We Go.
Jan 15, 2026·33m·2 clips - 109
Episode 260 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): I’d Cringe at Every Note I Played
Jan 8, 2026·32m - 110
You Listen To Hot Garbage 009: Defending Slaughter with Tammy Wallace (Stereo Scandal, Creedmoors, Saturn Rise)
Jan 2, 2026·20m - 111
You Listen To Hot Garbage 007: Defending Yello with Tim Emanuel (The Danzas)
Dec 30, 2025·21m - 112
You Listen To Hot Garbage 006: Defending Reel Big Fish with Pete Magliocco
Dec 29, 2025·27m - 113
You Listen To Hot Garbage 005: Defending Merengue with Bree Myers (Allegedly Records)
Dec 28, 2025·19m - 114
You Listen To Hot Garbage 004: Defending The Goo Goo Dolls with Mike Jacobs (On The Cinder)
Dec 24, 2025·18m - 115
You Listen To Hot Garbage 003: Defending Brand New with Rachel Blume
Dec 23, 2025·18m - 116
You Listen To Hot Garbage 002: Defending Dierks Bentley with AJ Blume
Dec 22, 2025·10m - 117
Episode 259 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): AI Is Coming For Us All
Dec 18, 2025·33m - 118
Episode 258 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): Maybe You Saved Your Artwork From Grade School
Dec 4, 2025·25m - 119
Episode 257 with Connor Frost (Dizzy Bats): Everyone Deserves That Path to Self Expression
Oct 30, 2025·31m - 120
Episode 256 with Steve Wynn (The Dream Syndicate): We Did Feel a Lot of Kinship With Bands Like Black Flag
Oct 23, 2025·32m - 121
Episode 255 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): Because It’s Just a Hollywood Friendship
Oct 16, 2025·28m - 122
Episode 254 with John Heintz (The Big Ol' Nasty Getdown): Who Is Just a Lot of Fun to be Around?
Oct 2, 2025·34m - 123
Episode 253 with Mordecai Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles, Subarctic Beach Party): I Don’t Think That We Are Catering to a Certain Audience
Sep 25, 2025·33m - 124
Episode 252 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): Can Art and Social Media Coexist?
Sep 18, 2025·28m - 125
Episode 251 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): The 80’s Did a Lot of Bad Things but the Drums Are Terrible
Sep 11, 2025·32m - 126
Episode 250 with Eddie Trizzino (Subarctic Beach Party): Working With Two People Is All I Can Handle
Aug 7, 2025·32m - 127
Episode 249 with Steven Roback (Rain Parade): The Universal Experience of Being Alive
Jul 17, 2025·33m - 128
Episode 248 with Charlie Thornton (Radar Waves): Also I Don’t Want People to See What I Do On a Daily Basis
Jul 10, 2025·23m - 129
Episode 247 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar): If You Wanna Be Famous Cut Your Hair and Wear Cooler Clothes
Jun 26, 2025·35m - 130
Episode 246 with Rick Girt (The Sneaky Heat Missiles): We All Had Grand Notions of What it Would Look Like
May 22, 2025·35m - 131
Episode 245 with Rebel Chef Radio: Steely Dan is a Potato
May 15, 2025·8m - 132
Episode 244 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): The Last Time I played There Was With Billy Gibbons
May 8, 2025·33m - 133
Episode 243 with Teeth Out: Punk Rock vs. Honeymoon Suite
May 1, 2025·5m - 134
Episode 242 with Loren Molinare (Slamdinistas, Little Caesar): The World Does Not Need Another Singer-Songwriter
Apr 24, 2025·33m - 135
Episode 241 with Brian Dendy: I Focus On My Pocket and Staying in the Groove as Long as I Can
Apr 10, 2025·31m - 136
Episode 240 with Immortal Girlfriend: You Create Your Own Atmosphere
Mar 27, 2025·31m - 137
Episode 239 with Last Ditch Effort: I Wish More Bands Were Political
Mar 20, 2025·35m - 138
Episode 238 with Teeth Out: We Played Our First Show Four Days Ago
Mar 13, 2025·34m - 139
Episode 237 with Pathos and Logos: I Was About to Disavow the Nerdiness
Mar 6, 2025·36m - 140
Episode 236 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): There’s Always a Huge Ego Thing Going On
Feb 20, 2025·29m - 141
Episode 235 with Chase the Comet: And Then You Get to Play it Live and Rock Hard
Feb 13, 2025·37m - 142
Episode 234 with Mitch McCallum (Regal Foul): I Just Love Having the Music Heard
Feb 6, 2025·34m - 143
Episode 233 with Matt Weiss (Off Guard): We Try to Make Our Songs Seem Larger Than Life
Jan 30, 2025·31m - 144
Episode 232 with Tim Nave (TAKAT): You Have to Know When It’s Work and When It’s Love
Jan 16, 2025·34m - 145
Episode 231 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): We Need to Remember to Make the Crowd a Part of the Show
Jan 9, 2025·27m - 146
Episode 230 with Will West (Paperback Tragedy): I Think Solo Albums Are Extremely Pretentious
Dec 19, 2024·32m - 147
Episode 229 with Pharoah Barrett (Little Caesar): I Guess They Took It Personally Because They Haven’t Called Back
Dec 12, 2024·32m - 148
Episode 228 with Jonathan Kent (This Is Just A Record Label): If I Dig It Then I’m Gonna Wanna Work With You
Dec 5, 2024·32m - 149
Episode 227 with Ben Huggins (Galactic Cowboys): There Might Still Be People Going I Hate That Band
Nov 21, 2024·30m - 150
Episode 226 with Mark Tremalgia (Little Caesar, The Cruzados): Well, That Wasn't My Dream Gig
Nov 7, 2024·28m