Dave & Gunnar Show

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Useful tech, weird internet, steady skepticism.

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Dave & Gunnar Show follows recurring speakers through the weird edges of modern technology. Recent episodes move from AI-assisted coding and agent workflows to birding apps, prison-call surveillance, adversarial poetry, URL lengtheners, and CD players worn on the head.

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About Dave & Gunnar Show

Dave & Gunnar Show is a technology hangout built around curiosity, skepticism, and a steady tolerance for internet weirdness. Its recent episodes keep returning to AI agents. The speakers compare the promise of abundant code with the reality of maintainers overwhelmed by AI-generated pull requests, bug reports, and security noise. They talk about personal automation in grounded terms: inbox agents, calendar and task skills, workplace support bots, proposal-review bots, and the effort required to configure an AI environment well enough to matter. The show is enthusiastic, but not credulous. A useful assistant can improve quality of life, and the same ecosystem can leak API keys, burn tokens, or create strange agent-only social spaces. That tension gives the conversation its shape. One minute it is about top-line growth versus bottom-line efficiency. The next it is about adversarial poetry, AI personality judgments from a tame band photo, or a bot that wants encrypted messaging. The show also ranges beyond AI. Episodes touch open source history, prison phone monitoring, code reviews, birding culture, half-marathon training apps, low-background steel, nuclear command history, haptic suits, SQL games, URL lengtheners, and wearable CD players. The pacing is informal and associative. Jokes land beside serious questions about surveillance, labor, vulnerability, and who benefits when software gets cheaper or stranger. It is not a polished briefing show, and that is part of the appeal. Dave & Gunnar Show feels like listening to technically fluent people follow a thread until it becomes useful, funny, or unsettling. It fits listeners who want AI and security talk with context, not hype; practical examples, not grand abstractions; and enough odd ephemera to keep the machinery human.

Made for: Best for technically curious listeners who follow AI agents, open source, security, and workplace tooling. It also suits people who enjoy conversational detours into strange gadgets, media, and internet artifacts.

What sets it apart: The show pairs hands-on AI and infrastructure talk with a habit of chasing the odd consequence or comic edge. It is less about tidy analysis than watching tech minds test new tools against incentives, ethics, and daily life.

In their own words

David Egts and Gunnar Hellekson discuss privacy, security, robots, and internet ephemera.

As heard by us

Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Dave and Gunnar test AI's practical promise against its security risks, human consequences, and capacity for internet-fueled absurdity.

Dave and Gunnar treat emerging technology as something to try, question, and laugh at before declaring it useful. Their conversations repeatedly return to agentic AI through practical experiments: building an email assistant, creating workplace bots, connecting skills to…

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Birdwatching gives way to AI-monitored prison calls; your appetite for digressions should be healthy.

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  • to hear how an email agent went from prototypes to sorting an inbox every hour
  • to argue over AI monitoring of prison calls and who pays for it
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Best episodes of Dave & Gunnar Show

Short reviews from the PlayNext desk, based on the episodes we processed.

Episode 284: Home Row GuyMar 9, 2026

The discussion becomes clearest when the bot workflows are tied to real work.

Gunnar and Mike McGrath trace a shift from AI as abundance to AI as friction, weighing early hopes that AI could write all the code and energize open source against curl refusing AI pull requests, bug bounties that do not want more of them, and the feeling that too much AI can…

Episode 283: We Could’ve Been Standing Outside an Olive GardenFeb 28, 2026

A loose tech chat that turns AI weirdness into a joke with teeth.

The episode starts with Soren pulling the family into Stranger Things, then swings into a horror-heavy installment that leaves everyone with nightmares before settling into a looser run of AI systems and the ways people try to bend them.

Episode 282: He Sent Me Chicken RamenFeb 17, 2026

Skills, MOLT book, and a security note.

Dave and Gunnar spend much of the episode unpacking skills, the plain-English instructions that guide LLMs through tasks and tools like Todoist, calendars, and email.

Episode 281: Four Out of Five Developers Enjoy Code ReviewsFeb 13, 2026

Birding obsession, prison-call AI, and a code-review joke keep the episode sharp and lightly unruly.

The episode moves from birding into the kind of obsessive tracking that gives the topic its charm, with Gunnar laying out the full conversion: lists, photographs, special trips, and sightings logged on eBird.

Episode 275: I'll Visit You in JailOct 11, 2025

A practical email agent shares space with a CD player headband, SQL Doom, and deliberately hostile URLs.

The strongest tech thread is the personal email agent. After weeks of prototyping in Claude Code, the host lands on a Google Apps Script that runs hourly, with Gemini sorting inbox messages and judging what needs attention.

Episode 270: Cylon Monkey Paw: 5 AI Predictions for 2025 & How to Build Intelligent AgentsApr 8, 2025

A practical look at AI agents, APIs, and the workflows they are meant to make less messy.

Carolyn Ford and Dave X keep the focus on practical AI adoption in 2025, especially the systems that have to sit around the model for it to be useful.

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Episodes

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    Episode 247: Full Jacob's Ladder

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    Episode 283: We Could’ve Been Standing Outside an Olive Garden

    ·31m
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    Episode 282: He Sent Me Chicken Ramen

    ·32m
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    Episode 281: Four Out of Five Developers Enjoy Code Reviews

    ·30m
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    Episode 280: We See You

    ·33m
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    Episode 279: Live from Room 101

    ·10m
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    Episode 278: I Know How the Butlerian Jihad Works

    ·37m
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    Episode 277: Mission Accomplished

    ·57m
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    Episode 276: I Think I Had That Shirt

    ·54m
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    Episode 275: I'll Visit You in Jail

    ·29m
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    Episode 274: We've Always Enjoyed Arby's

    ·25m
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    Episode 273: Let the Good 5G In

    ·53m
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    Episode 272: Seed Oils Made Y’all Weak

    ·36m
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    Episode 271: Blade Runner Pepsi Challenge

    ·27m
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    Episode 269: Knowingly Violating Laws and Product Warranties

    ·30m
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    Episode 268: Grape Job!

    ·50m
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    Episode 267: Allow the Robot to Cook with Love

    ·34m
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    Episode 266: Filled with Dad Energy

    ·40m
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    Episode 265: A Delightful GIS Demon

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    Episode 264: Cryptomining Airbnbs, Psychological Warfare, and What Else?

    ·8m
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    Episode 263: Failing the Turing Test

    ·43m
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    Episode 262: Two Plus Two Was Five the Whole Time

    ·38m
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    Episode 261: Not Bad if You Don’t Look Directly at Them

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    Episode 260: As Long as I’m Not Wearing an Apple Watch, I’ll Never Get Credit For Standing

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    Episode 259: AI Bad Breath

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    Episode 258: Terminator Contortionists

    ·44m
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    Episode 257: Flowers from Heaven

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    Episode 256: Kufelik Olmak

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    Episode 255: Living an Eternal Life of Strings and Wooden Whimsy

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    Episode 254: I’m Sorry, But I Cannot Provide an Answer to Your Question as It Goes Against OpenAI’s Use Policy

    ·38m
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    Episode 253: Better Than a Stick in the Eye

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    Episode 252: Too Hip-Hop, Not Enough $15M Nikon Lithography Stepper

    ·40m
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    Episode 251: Unmasking the Specter: Mr. Egts' Journey into the Impact of Generative AI on Government Transformation

    ·50m
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    Episode 250: Our Favorite Things

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    Episode 249: Lorem Ipsum Dolor & Cheddar Wrap

    ·30m
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    Episode 248: Get the Most Out of Your Memories

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    Episode 284: Home Row Guy

    ·50m
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    Episode 246: AI-Generated Agitprop

    ·40m
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    Episode 245: Giant Asthma Inhaler with a Mouth

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    Episode 244: Not That Kind of Edible

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    Episode 243: No Bamboozle

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    Episode 242: The Fighting Schrödinger's Cats

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    Episode 241: Apple-Inspired Feedbag

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    Episode 240: It's not just a good idea, it's the law

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    Episode 239: The Bottom Turtle

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    Episode 238: Harmonica-Playing Firefighters Holding Coke Bottles

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    Episode 237: Confidentially Speaking

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    Episode 236: SodaStream Nighttime Formula

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    Episode 235: The Cult of the Dead Fruit on the Back of the Computer

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    Episode 234: You Are the Active Ingredient

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    Episode 233: Flavor Canister

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    Episode 232: CRIME SKELETON!

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    Episode 231: Picking Quarrels and Provoking Trouble

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    Episode 230: Need Some Gom Jabbars

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    Episode 229: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

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    Episode 228: This Email Could Have Been an AI Avatar

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    Episode 227: Meetings and Punishment

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    Episode 226: Plowshares into Swords

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    Episode 225: Criminal Value Chain

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    Episode 224: Smells Like Sauerkraut

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    Episode 223: Digital Skinner Box

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    Episode 222: Clever Girl

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    Episode 221: Money’s the Answer. What’s the Question?

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    Episode 220: Is It a Zip File? Is It an MP3? You Decide!

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    Episode 219: Chimera in a Can

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    Episode 218: What Would Marlie Do?

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    Episode 217: Blow Up Enemies with the Power of Your Mind

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    Episode 216: Almost as good as paper

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    Episode 215: Referendum on My Likeness

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    Episode 214: The Mind of a Medieval Theologian

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    Episode 213: Not Going to Solve Sapir-Whorf Today

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    Episode 212: Security Requires Thinking (His Monkey, His Circus)

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    Episode 211: 90% of Everything Is Crap

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    Episode 210: The Opposite of ASMR

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    Episode 209: 5’2” in Sneakers

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    Episode 208: Impact Mapping an SBAR

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    Episode 207: From a Factory Mustang to a Shelby

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    Episode 206: Let a Thousand Flowers Zoom

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    Episode 205: Soylent Vest

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    Episode 204: My Boss Is Making Me Walk Around in This Bubble

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    Episode 203: Who are you following and who's following you?

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    Episode 185: In Your Brain, Nobody Can Hear You Scream

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    Episode 202: Linux Foundations

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    Episode 201: Trust Issues

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    Episode 200: Ask for More

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    Episode 199: One Episode Is a Tragedy. 200 Episodes Is a Statistic.

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    Episode 198: Iron Skillets and Gummy Bears

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    Episode 197: Masks Are Like Pants for Your Face

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    Episode 196: Social Distancing with Linux Containers

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    Episode 195: Space Marine or Flying Liquor Store?

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    Episode 194: Digital Minimalism

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    Episode 193: No Rubber Glove High Five for You

    ·29m
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    Episode 192: The Future Is Here and Everything Needs to Be Destroyed

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    Episode 191: On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a potato

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    Episode 190: Calendar bankruptcy, or when was the last time you got good news in a telegram?

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    Episode 189: Marlie Moxinspike

    ·40m
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    Episode 188: Lemonade Stand for Plagues

    ·31m
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    Episode 187: Empathy at Scale

    ·44m
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    Episode 186: The Gig Economy of Dead Drops

    ·27m
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    Episode 270: Cylon Monkey Paw: 5 AI Predictions for 2025 & How to Build Intelligent Agents

    Carolyn Ford and Dave X discuss five AI predictions for 2025 and how to build intelligent AI agents that deliver results.

    ·46m
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    Episode 284: Home Row Guy

    Hidden gem

    A discussion about the impact of AI on open source communities, featuring Mike McGrath from Red Hat.

    Mar 9, 2026·50m·2 clips
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    Episode 283: We Could’ve Been Standing Outside an Olive Garden

    Hidden gem

    The hosts discuss watching Stranger Things with family and the resulting nightmares, then pivot to a joke about turning into an MCP server.

    Feb 28, 2026·31m·2 clips
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    Episode 282: He Sent Me Chicken Ramen

    Hidden gem

    Dave and Gunner discuss the revolutionary potential of AI skills that guide LLMs through tool use.

    Feb 17, 2026·32m·2 clips
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    Episode 281: Four Out of Five Developers Enjoy Code Reviews

    Hidden gem

    Dave discusses his new hobby of birding and recommends a documentary about two brothers attempting a big year in birding despite having no prior experience.

    Feb 13, 2026·30m·2 clips
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    Episode 280: We See You

    Dave and Gunnar connect the Trinity test’s radioactive legacy to the idea of preserving pre-ChatGPT “low background content.” They explain how “verbalized sampling” can make AI responses less repetitive without adjusting temperature controls.

    Jan 12, 2026·33m·2 clips
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    Episode 279: Live from Room 101

    Dec 1, 2025·10m
  107. 107

    Episode 278: I Know How the Butlerian Jihad Works

    Nov 24, 2025·37m
  108. 108

    Episode 277: Mission Accomplished

    Nov 17, 2025·57m
  109. 109

    Episode 276: I Think I Had That Shirt

    Nov 1, 2025·54m
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    Episode 275: I'll Visit You in Jail

    Hosts David and Gunnar of the Dave & Gunnar Show open by discussing David's newly working email-triage agent built with Claude Code and Gemini, then cover an Anthropic paper on 'subliminal learning,' where fine-tuned models inherit unrelated traits like a preference for owls from a teacher model.

    Oct 11, 2025·29m·2 clips
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    Episode 274: We've Always Enjoyed Arby's

    Dave and Gunnar connect smart glasses, AI-generated games, and hidden review prompts to questions about privacy and AI behavior.

    Aug 27, 2025·25m·1 clip
  112. 112

    Episode 273: Let the Good 5G In

    Aug 17, 2025·53m
  113. 113

    Episode 272: Seed Oils Made Y’all Weak

    Jul 15, 2025·36m
  114. 114

    Episode 271: Blade Runner Pepsi Challenge

    Jul 7, 2025·27m
  115. 115

    Episode 270: Cylon Monkey Paw: 5 AI Predictions for 2025 & How to Build Intelligent Agents

    Hidden gem

    Carolyn Ford and Dave X discuss five AI predictions for 2025 and how to build intelligent AI agents that deliver results.

    Apr 8, 2025·46m·2 clips
  116. 116

    Episode 269: Knowingly Violating Laws and Product Warranties

    Mar 29, 2025·30m
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    Episode 268: Grape Job!

    Mar 21, 2025·50m
  118. 118

    Episode 267: Allow the Robot to Cook with Love

    The host discusses using the Runa app to train for a half marathon, highlighting its adaptive scheduling and personalized plans.

    Dec 23, 2024·34m
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    Episode 266: Filled with Dad Energy

    Gunnar and host discuss attending a Magnetic Fields concert, their album 69 Love Songs, and the nostalgia of seeing them on a farewell tour 20 years later.

    Dec 16, 2024·40m
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    Episode 265: A Delightful GIS Demon

    Dec 5, 2024·1h 11m
  121. 121

    Episode 264: Cryptomining Airbnbs, Psychological Warfare, and What Else?

    Oct 29, 2024·8m
  122. 122

    Episode 263: Failing the Turing Test

    Sep 18, 2024·43m
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    Episode 262: Two Plus Two Was Five the Whole Time

    Sep 3, 2024·38m
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    Episode 261: Not Bad if You Don’t Look Directly at Them

    Aug 26, 2024·34m
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    Episode 260: As Long as I’m Not Wearing an Apple Watch, I’ll Never Get Credit For Standing

    Jul 29, 2024·33m
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    Episode 259: AI Bad Breath

    Jul 14, 2024·59m
  127. 127

    Episode 258: Terminator Contortionists

    Jul 1, 2024·44m
  128. 128

    Episode 257: Flowers from Heaven

    May 11, 2024·31m
  129. 129

    Episode 256: Kufelik Olmak

    Apr 30, 2024·41m
  130. 130

    Episode 255: Living an Eternal Life of Strings and Wooden Whimsy

    Mar 2, 2024·32m
  131. 131

    Episode 254: I’m Sorry, But I Cannot Provide an Answer to Your Question as It Goes Against OpenAI’s Use Policy

    Jan 30, 2024·38m
  132. 132

    Episode 253: Better Than a Stick in the Eye

    Jan 29, 2024·38m
  133. 133

    Episode 252: Too Hip-Hop, Not Enough $15M Nikon Lithography Stepper

    Jan 2, 2024·40m
  134. 134

    Episode 251: Unmasking the Specter: Mr. Egts' Journey into the Impact of Generative AI on Government Transformation

    Dec 21, 2023·50m
  135. 135

    Episode 250: Our Favorite Things

    Dec 15, 2023·42m
  136. 136

    Episode 249: Lorem Ipsum Dolor & Cheddar Wrap

    Oct 28, 2023·30m
  137. 137

    Episode 248: Get the Most Out of Your Memories

    Oct 4, 2023·34m
  138. 138

    Episode 247: Full Jacob's Ladder

    Jul 17, 2023·52m
  139. 139

    Episode 246: AI-Generated Agitprop

    Jun 26, 2023·40m
  140. 140

    Episode 245: Giant Asthma Inhaler with a Mouth

    Two hosts discuss the abrupt transition from spring to summer in Texas and upcoming weather-related challenges.

    Jun 5, 2023·24m
  141. 141

    Episode 244: Not That Kind of Edible

    Mar 28, 2023·28m
  142. 142

    Episode 243: No Bamboozle

    Feb 12, 2023·39m
  143. 143

    Episode 242: The Fighting Schrödinger's Cats

    Dec 15, 2022·34m
  144. 144

    Episode 241: Apple-Inspired Feedbag

    Nov 18, 2022·26m
  145. 145

    Episode 240: It's not just a good idea, it's the law

    Nov 11, 2022·29m
  146. 146

    Episode 239: The Bottom Turtle

    Nov 4, 2022·29m
  147. 147

    Episode 238: Harmonica-Playing Firefighters Holding Coke Bottles

    Oct 1, 2022·29m
  148. 148

    Episode 237: Confidentially Speaking

    Sep 20, 2022·44m
  149. 149

    Episode 236: SodaStream Nighttime Formula

    May 31, 2022·26m
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    Episode 235: The Cult of the Dead Fruit on the Back of the Computer

    May 19, 2022·52m