Closing Argument

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The news, argued back to first principles.

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On Closing Argument, Walter Hudson starts from a single news item, such as a Star Tribune report or Jimmy Kimmel's account of his newborn son's emergency, and works it back to a principle about rights and the limits of government. It is Minnesota talk radio built to persuade, not to recap.

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About Closing Argument

Closing Argument is a Twin Cities News Talk program in which Walter Hudson treats the news as material for a case. A headline arrives, and within minutes it has become a question about rights. That habit is the reason to listen. Rather than reacting to the day and moving on, the show traces a story back to a principle and then defends that principle out loud, clause after clause. The health care debate of spring 2017 shows the method at full stretch. In Hudson's framing, pre-existing conditions are a litmus test for whether the culture is ready to reject socialism. His objection is to a moral premise, that a person's need entitles them to provision, which he calls a violation of what insurance actually is. When Jimmy Kimmel told the story of his newborn son's emergency, Hudson called it moving and heartwarming, then noted that the family would presumably pay the bill before turning to Kimmel's warning about repealing Obamacare. The argument widens from there: people need health care, food and shelter, so the reasoning goes they ought to get them, and the show insists a crucial piece is missing from that chain. Literature and political theory supply the scaffolding. One hour sets Brave New World against 1984, contending that rights are more often surrendered through need, desire and want than through fear. Another lays out passive tyranny: a government entrusted with a monopoly on force that chooses, for political or personal reasons, not to protect the people it exists to protect. That idea grows out of criticism of attorneys general who, the show argues, use the office to advance personal and political agendas instead of enforcing the law. Minnesota stays in view, with a Star Tribune sentencing report, the skyways and the minimum wage on the rundown alongside the Trump tax plan. The press gets its own scrutiny, aimed at journalists who see themselves as the fourth estate speaking truth to power while, in the show's telling, everyone else sees their bias. Interviews widen the frame, as with David Fitzsimmons, chief of staff to Congressman Tom Emmer, and an episode titled 'Interviews with Rep. Emmer Chief of Staff and Michelle Maher'. Titles such as 'Closing Argument 5/2/17 Hr 1' follow a plain date-and-hour format. 'Closing Argument 5/2/17 Hr 2' is a strong first listen, since the need-versus-entitlement chain, the Brave New World argument and the media critique all sit inside it. The delivery is brisk and conversational, dry by default, grave on questions of rights and warm in a 'welcome back, conservatives' greeting. Rhetorical questions pull the listener through each step, and repetition presses hard on whatever contradiction is at stake.

Made for: Suits a listener who wants conservative talk radio that argues from principle, walking step by step through why a policy fight like pre-existing conditions is really a question about rights, with Minnesota stories in the mix.

What sets it apart: Instead of piling up reactions to the news, Walter Hudson reduces each story to a principle and defends it at length, reaching for frames such as Brave New World versus 1984 or the idea of passive tyranny.

In their own words

Closing Argument with Walter Hudson, every weeknight from 9p-11p on Twin Cities News Talk AM1130 and 103.5 FM!

As heard by us

Based on 5 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Walter Hudson traces policy disputes back to questions of rights, coercion, and the proper reach of government.

Closing Argument turns political disputes into arguments about first principles. Walter Hudson moves from health care and the minimum wage to free speech, taxation, media bias, and the limits of government, pressing each issue toward questions of individual rights and state…

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Why you'd press play

The Handmaid's Tale and Atlas Shrugged enter your group chat; Walter Hudson takes the conservative side.

Press play if you want

  • to hear a defense of free speech that includes people Hudson says he dislikes
  • to think through a Minneapolis shooting sentence and the question of equal treatment
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Pre-existing conditions and Obamacare repealNeed versus entitlementIndividual rights and government powerPassive tyranny and law enforcementMedia bias and the fourth estateMinnesota news and local issuesMinimum wage and tax policy

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Episodes

  1. 1

    5-17-2017 Hr 1 #NeverTrump is not easy // guest Mike Franklin

    May 18, 2017·43m
  2. 2

    5-17-2017 Hr 2 Trump needs to put on his big boy diaper

    May 18, 2017·42m
  3. 3

    In which direction did they climb over the White House fence?

    May 17, 2017·41m
  4. 4

    Clip: Interview with GOP chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan

    May 17, 2017·9m
  5. 5

    Truth and credibility // GOP chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan

    May 17, 2017·40m
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    Addressing threatening posts on Rep. Tom Emmer's Facebook page

    May 13, 2017·41m
  7. 7

    Interviews with Rep. Emmer Chief of Staff and Michelle Maher

    Host Walter Hudson of Twin Cities News Talk AM 1130 interviews David Fitzsimmons, Chief of Staff to Congressman Tom Emmer, about a Facebook comment by Lino Lakes City Councilwoman Melissa Maher suggesting Emmer should 'avoid people with deadly objects at hand.' Fitzsimmons reports the comment was sent to Capitol Police, and that an anonymous follow-up email stated the writer 'wouldn't be surprised if someone took a shot' at the congressman — a message that also invoked the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords.

    May 13, 2017·20m·1 clip
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    Walter says Trump's call for loyalty is "unAmerican"

    May 13, 2017·43m
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    Tom compares Trump to Jesse Ventura

    May 12, 2017·4m
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    Closing Argument 05/11/17 Hr 1

    May 12, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 05/11/17 Hr 2

    May 12, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 05/10/17 Hr 1

    May 11, 2017·44m
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    Closing Argument 05/10/17 Hr 2

    May 11, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 05/09/17 Hr 2

    May 10, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 05/09/17 Hr 1

    May 10, 2017·39m
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    Closing Argument 05/08/17 Hr 2

    May 9, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 05/08/17 Hr 1

    May 9, 2017·40m
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    Closing Argument 5/3/17 Hr 1

    A conservative talk radio host discusses the moral implications of pre-existing conditions in healthcare as a litmus test for socialism.

    May 4, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 5/3/17 Hr 2

    Walter Hudson discusses Jimmy Kimmel's story about his son's pre-existing condition and uses it to debate the repeal of Obamacare.

    May 4, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 5/2/17 Hr 1

    A conservative talk radio host returns after a hiatus to discuss political principles and current events.

    May 3, 2017·40m
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    Closing Argument 5/2/17 Hr 2

    Hidden gem

    Host Walter Hudson of Twin Cities News Talk AM 1130 argues that the 'people need X therefore they should get X' logic, applied to healthcare and social spending, contains the same structural premise as chattel slavery — the demand for involuntary provision from an unnamed third party.

    May 3, 2017·42m·2 clips
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    Closing Argument 04/26/17 Hr 1

    Host Walter Hudson covers six stories on the April 26, 2017 first hour of Closing Argument on Twin Cities News Talk AM 1130, including the 15-year sentencing of Alan Scarcella for racially motivated shootings at a Minneapolis protest, and Politico's report that moderate House Republicans — not the Freedom Caucus — are the actual obstacle to Obamacare repeal.

    Apr 27, 2017·42m·2 clips
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    Closing Argument 04/25/17 Hr 1

    Host Walter Hudson of Twin Cities News Talk AM 1130 covers the April 25, 2017 news cycle: a federal judge blocks Trump's executive order withholding funds from sanctuary cities; House Oversight Committee members from both parties say Michael Flynn may have violated federal law by failing to disclose over $45,000 in Russian government payments; and North Korea's Kim Jong-un oversees the country's largest-ever live-fire military drill without conducting a sixth nuclear test.

    Apr 26, 2017·41m·2 clips
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    Closing Argument 04/25/17 Hr 2

    The second hour of Walter Hudson's April 25, 2017 Closing Argument covers NYU professor Ulrich Baer's New York Times article arguing that shutting down speakers like Milo Yiannopoulos constitutes 'free speech for oppressed groups,' which Hudson calls an intellectual justification for antifa violence.

    Apr 26, 2017·42m·2 clips
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    Closing Argument 04/24/17 Hr 2

    Apr 25, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/24/17 Hr 1

    Apr 25, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/21/17 Hr 1

    Apr 22, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/21/17 Hr 2

    Apr 22, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 04/20/17 Hr 2

    Apr 21, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/20/17 Hr 1

    Apr 21, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/19/17 Hr 1

    Apr 20, 2017·40m
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    Closing Argument 04/19/17 Hr 2

    Apr 20, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/18/17 Hr 1

    Apr 19, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/18/17 Hr 2

    Apr 19, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04//13/17 Hr 1

    Apr 14, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/13/17 Hr 2

    Apr 14, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 04/12/17 Hr 1

    Apr 13, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/12/17 Hr 2

    Apr 13, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 04/11/17 Hr 2

    Apr 12, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/10/17 Hr 2

    Apr 11, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/10/17 Hr 1

    Apr 11, 2017·40m
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    Closing Argument 04/07/17 Hr 1

    Apr 8, 2017·40m
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    Closing Argument 04/07/17 Hr 2

    Apr 8, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/06/17 Hr 1

    Apr 7, 2017·42m
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    Closing Argument 04/06/17 Hr 2

    Apr 7, 2017·43m
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    Closing Argument 04/03/17 Hr 1

    Apr 6, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/05/17 Hr 2

    Apr 6, 2017·41m
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    Closing Argument 04/03/17 Hr 2

    Apr 6, 2017·43m
  49. 49

    Tom paid for a Social Security guarantee

    Apr 6, 2017·9m
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    Closing Argument 04/05/17 Hr 1

    Apr 6, 2017·41m