
Rugby league past the heartlands.
The gist
Chasing Kangaroos is a global rugby league show with a clear bias toward the places casual NRL fans rarely notice. It moves between sharp opinion, live chats, club-building stories, and on-the-ground updates from Europe and North America.
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About Chasing Kangaroos
Chasing Kangaroos covers rugby league as a global habit, a stubborn culture, and a sport still trying to work out where it can grow next. Its centre of gravity is international rugby league, especially the parts that sit outside the regular NRL and Super League spotlight. One episode may celebrate the Vrklabi Mad Squirrels stepping into the Balkan Super League. Another may ask what England, France, Super League, the RFL, European Rugby League, the IRL, and the NRL should actually do to make international fixtures matter again. The show is not detached. It cares, loudly. Michael Carboni’s solo episodes often sound like a fan trying to shake the sport awake while still taking time to name the people and clubs doing the work. The recurring interest is growth: new clubs, junior systems, touring nations, Vegas events, American competitions, and expansion bids. That gives the show a wider field of vision than most rugby league coverage. Bedford Tigers can sit beside Wigan and Warrington. Czech Rugby League can sit beside Red Star Belgrade and Partisan Belgrade. U.S. youth rugby league can sit beside NRL Vegas strategy. Rugby League in America episodes bring a live, looser companion strand, with Dustin Zare and guests talking through the American scene, tournament history, and the practical reality of building momentum in a small sport. The show’s best moments come when it ties grand strategy to ground-level persistence. Club culture, junior pathways, travel costs, broadcast ambition, and supporter communities all matter here. Guests such as Rob Ashton, Steve Mascord, and Dave Hunter appear in conversations that are more pub-table debate than formal interview. That informality is part of the texture. The show can be repetitive, blunt, and occasionally chaotic, especially in live formats. It is also unusually attentive to rugby league’s edges. For listeners who want more than scores and transfer talk, Chasing Kangaroos offers a map of the game’s fragile, funny, hopeful outer limits.
Made for: For rugby league fans who follow the NRL or Super League but want the wider international picture. It especially suits listeners interested in expansion, grassroots clubs, North American rugby league, and the sport’s smaller European scenes.
What sets it apart: Chasing Kangaroos spends serious attention on rugby league communities most mainstream coverage treats as footnotes. Its strength is connecting big arguments about governance and growth to clubs, people, and competitions trying to survive outside traditional strongholds.
In their own words
What is up Kangaroos Chasers? Welcome to the podcast network for international rugby league fans. Home of the original Chasing Kangaroos Podcast hosted by Michael Carbone and the Rugby League in America Podcast hosted by Dustin Zerrer. Plus regular guest hosts Nate Gladdin, “The Biggest Tiger”, Mike Wood and Mary K, and a hosts of guests from around the rugby league world. #GrowRugbyLeague NRL / Super League Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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This is the show that turns rugby league expansion into an argument you will want to join.
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- Michael Carboni looking past match results to ask how the game actually grows
- candid arguments about international fixtures, English expansion and who should stop waiting for the NRL
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Episodes
- 1
RLinA 216 | The one Dustin Flies Solo
·43m - 2
WCC 013 | And then there were four
·40m - 3
WCC 012 | The World Cupathon is on!
·42m - 4
#151 | World Cup Sideline Story
·1h 39m - 5
CK | Shout out to the Mad Squirrels
·8m - 6
CK | Vegas 25 Goals
·22m - 7
CK | International rugby league is dead. Long live international rugby league
·34m - 8
RLinA 233 | Rugby League in America LIVE - May 30th, 2024
·1h 42m - 9
CK | How to build a club in a non Rugby League area with Rob Ashton
·48m - 10
RLinA 232 | New American Rugby League Fans React to NRL Las Vegas 2024
·1h 6m - 11
Chasing Kangaroos | Why Can't Rugby League Grow in the UK? - With Steve Mascord
·54m - 12
Chasing Kangaroos | NRL Expansion - With David Hunter
·57m - 13
RLA214 | Intimate Sessions - Rugby League United
·50m - 14
Chasing Kangaroos | South Island Kea - Without David Moffett
·35m - 15
Chasing Kangaroos | IRL Full Memberships Downgraded for Ireland, Italy, Lebanon, Scotland
·29m - 16
When Rugby League Worlds Collide
·1h 5m - 17
Chasing Kangaroos | What if the NRL bought Super League?
·27m - 18
Chasing Kangaroos | What Happens in NRL Vegas
·23m - 19
RLinA 230 | Counting down the Days to Vegas with a Roo and a Rabbit
·1h 13m - 20
RLinA 229 | With Bernie Gurr
·53m - 21
RLinA 228 | Kicking off 2024 with BIG news and BIG names
·59m - 22
RLinA 227 | A big Saturday and an NRL Update
·49m - 23
RLinA 226 | Rugby League in America LIVE! (Part 2)
·1h 25m - 24
RLinA 226 | Rugby League in America LIVE! (Part 1)
·1h 8m - 25
RLinA 225 | Intimate Sessions with Boston 13s Coach Peter Lupton
·39m - 26
RLinA 224 | NRL in America
·41m - 27
RLinA 223 | HOLY $#*T that WC Announcement
·43m - 28
RLinA 222 | Intimate Sessions with Dead Pelicans
·37m - 29
RLinA 221 | IG Live with Avry Lewis-McDougall
·56m - 30
RLinA 220 | News and Qs
·52m - 31
RLinA 219 | Utah Rugby League Coming in HOT!
·1h 13m - 32
RLinA 218 | Going Live and Dropping Info
·19m - 33
RLA | News of the Week 5
·20m - 34
CK 162 | France 25 Cancelled - Therapy Session
·43m - 35
RLinA 217 | Nick Newlin - Atlanta Rhinos (Intimate Sessions)
·48m - 36
CK161 | Did the World Cup make money?
·29m - 37
WCC 014 | Grand Finals and Golden Boots
·52m - 38
CK160 | What is Franchise RL? - Ask Carbs
·54m - 39
RLA 215 | How to make it an America
·1h 11m - 40
RLA | News of the Week - April 7, 23
·9m - 41
CK159 | End of Season Internationals
·15m - 42
RLA | News of the Week - April 2, 23
·6m - 43
CK158 | Greece after the World Cup.
·34m - 44
RLA215 | After the Wolfpack (Intimate Sessions)
·50m - 45
CK157 | Introducing the Geelong Sharks
·28m - 46
CK156 | A pulse on NZ Rugby League (Niche Cache)
·57m - 47
CK155 | A World Club Challenge Blueprint
·29m - 48
RLA213 | Intimate Sessions - Pacific Coast Rugby League
·51m - 49
#154 | How to build the NRL brand in the USA
·30m - 50
RLA 212 | It's the Kickoff to 2023!
·1h 16m - 51
#153 | Rugby League needs a pro French competition
·32m - 52
#152 | Chasing for the last time
·1h 1m - 53
RLA 211 | More USA Rugby League Drama than your daytime Soap Opera.
·1h 7m - 54
WCC 011 | World Cup Round 2
·1h - 55
WCC 010 | World Cup opening round
·1h 2m - 56
RLA Scores | August 5, 2022
·5m - 57
WCC 009 | Australia FT Fifth and Last
·53m - 58
RLA 209 | World Cup on FITE
·1h 5m - 59
WCC 008 | Fiji, Italy, PNG, Lebanon, Cook Islands
·1h 20m - 60
CJ S2E8 | NRLW 2022
·11m - 61
WCC 007 | Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Jamaica
·1h 22m - 62
CJ S2E7 | NRLW 2022 - Grand Final
·35m - 63
WCC 006 | Tonga ft Daniel Tupou
·46m - 64
CJ S2E6 | NRLW 2022 - Semi Finals
·32m - 65
WCC 005 | New Zealand Ft Joey Many
·34m - 66
CJ S2E5 | NRLW 2022 - Round 5
·31m - 67
WCC 004 | France Ft Trent Robinson
·43m - 68
CJ S2E4 | NRLW 2022 - Round 4
·29m - 69
WCC 003 | Samoa Ft Jarome Luai
·32m - 70
CJ S2E3 | NRLW 2022 - Round 3
·22m - 71
RLA 209 | Not So Quiet On The Western Front
·1h 1m - 72
WCC 002 | GREECE Ft LACHLAN ILIAS + PETER MAMOUZELOS
·25m - 73
CJ S2E2 | NRLW 2022 - Round 2
·26m - 74
#150 | Tongan Tiger
·12m - 75
WCC 001 | England Ft James Graham
·40m - 76
CJ S2E1 | NRLW 2022 - Round 1
·40m - 77
#149 | Chasing Kangaroos Media
·5m - 78
#148 | Andy Raymond Unfiltered
·37m - 79
#147 | Wolf of Zwolle
·31m - 80
RLA 208 | Olá Brasil
·1h 12m - 81
#146 | Greek Odyssey
·9m - 82
#145 | Aussie World Cup Broadcast Deal
·7m - 83
RLA 207 | Behind the USARL veil with Drew Slover
·1h 13m - 84
Bonus: Beers With Brownie Ep14 - Mar22 feat. Warren Heilig
·50m - 85
#144 | Radley commits to England
·44m - 86
#143 | Robbie Hunter Paul
·1h 10m - 87
#142 | France RLWC25 Qualifying Announced
·25m - 88
RLA 206 | Sorry Canada
·1h 20m - 89
#141 | To’o’s choice
·26m - 90
RLA 205 | More Rumors Than Fleetwood Mac!
·1h 29m - 91
#140 | International Round Review
·1h 13m - 92
#139 | International Round Preview
·51m - 93
#138 | Rise of the Ravens
·37m - 94
#137 | World Cup news and international week
·20m - 95
RLA 204 | Popcorn and Whiskey
·1h 14m - 96
#136 | Help me choose the golden boot
·3m - 97
#135 | IRL UPDATE WITH TROY GRANT
·43m - 98
RLA 203 | How an American can play in the UK
·1h 8m - 99
#134 | Hunters NRL Pathway
·5m - 100
RLinA 231 | NRL Combine and Chance for an NRL/NRLW Contract
·1h 9m - 101
CK | Shout out to the Mad Squirrels
Jul 21, 2024·8m - 102
CK | Vegas 25 Goals
Michael Carboni examines the announced NRL Vegas 25 format, featuring Wigan v.
Jul 14, 2024·22m·1 clip - 103
CK | International rugby league is dead. Long live international rugby league
Hidden gemMichael Carboni examines why international rugby league feels weak after England defeated France 40-8 in a poorly promoted test marking 90 years of rugby league in France.
Jul 8, 2024·34m·3 clips - 104
RLinA 233 | Rugby League in America LIVE - May 30th, 2024
Hidden gemRugby League in America returns with Dustin, Lance Kavanaugh, and Jim reviewing developments across Jamaica, Canada, and the United States.
Jun 4, 2024·1h 42m·5 clips - 105
CK | How to build a club in a non Rugby League area with Rob Ashton
Hidden gemRob Ashton says Bedford Tigers are already modelling themselves on League One standards and a future pro pathway.
Apr 23, 2024·48m·2 clips - 106
Chasing Kangaroos | Why Can't Rugby League Grow in the UK? - With Steve Mascord
Steve Mascord and the host examine why Mascord believes elite rugby league has limited domestic growth left in the UK, despite the sport’s 129-year presence there.
Apr 9, 2024·54m·3 clips - 107
RLinA 232 | New American Rugby League Fans React to NRL Las Vegas 2024
Apr 9, 2024·1h 6m - 108
Chasing Kangaroos | NRL Expansion - With David Hunter
Host Michael Carbone and guest Dave Hunter discuss potential locations for NRL expansion, analyzing pros and cons of each candidate.
Apr 2, 2024·57m - 109
Chasing Kangaroos | South Island Kea - Without David Moffett
Mar 25, 2024·35m - 110
RLinA 231 | NRL Combine and Chance for an NRL/NRLW Contract
Mar 21, 2024·1h 9m - 111
Chasing Kangaroos | IRL Full Memberships Downgraded for Ireland, Italy, Lebanon, Scotland
Mar 18, 2024·29m - 112
When Rugby League Worlds Collide
Mar 14, 2024·1h 5m - 113
Chasing Kangaroos | What if the NRL bought Super League?
Mar 11, 2024·27m - 114
Chasing Kangaroos | What Happens in NRL Vegas
Mar 5, 2024·23m - 115
RLinA 230 | Counting down the Days to Vegas with a Roo and a Rabbit
Host Dustin Zerrer discusses upcoming rugby league events in Las Vegas and interviews guests about the sport's growth in America.
Feb 21, 2024·1h 13m - 116
RLinA 229 | With Bernie Gurr
Feb 11, 2024·53m - 117
RLinA 228 | Kicking off 2024 with BIG news and BIG names
Dustin Zerrer hosts the first episode of Rugby League in America for 2024, discussing USARL board selections and previewing an interview with rugby pioneer David Dewey.
Jan 27, 2024·59m - 118
RLinA 227 | A big Saturday and an NRL Update
Dec 2, 2023·49m - 119
RLinA 226 | Rugby League in America LIVE! (Part 1)
Oct 21, 2023·1h 8m - 120
RLinA 226 | Rugby League in America LIVE! (Part 2)
Oct 21, 2023·1h 25m - 121
RLinA 225 | Intimate Sessions with Boston 13s Coach Peter Lupton
Interview with Peter Lupton, head coach of the Boston 13s and former Wales International rugby league player, discussing his background and career.
Sep 1, 2023·39m - 122
RLinA 224 | NRL in America
Aug 27, 2023·41m - 123
RLinA 223 | HOLY $#*T that WC Announcement
Aug 6, 2023·43m - 124
RLinA 222 | Intimate Sessions with Dead Pelicans
Jul 23, 2023·37m - 125
RLinA 221 | IG Live with Avry Lewis-McDougall
Jul 19, 2023·56m - 126
RLinA 220 | News and Qs
Jul 2, 2023·52m - 127
RLinA 219 | Utah Rugby League Coming in HOT!
Jun 18, 2023·1h 13m - 128
RLinA 218 | Going Live and Dropping Info
Jun 4, 2023·19m - 129
RLA | News of the Week 5
May 20, 2023·20m - 130
CK 162 | France 25 Cancelled - Therapy Session
May 17, 2023·43m - 131
RLinA 217 | Nick Newlin - Atlanta Rhinos (Intimate Sessions)
May 14, 2023·48m - 132
CK161 | Did the World Cup make money?
May 6, 2023·29m - 133
RLinA 216 | The one Dustin Flies Solo
May 2, 2023·43m - 134
CK160 | What is Franchise RL? - Ask Carbs
Apr 23, 2023·54m - 135
RLA 215 | How to make it an America
Apr 15, 2023·1h 11m - 136
RLA | News of the Week - April 7, 23
Apr 12, 2023·9m - 137
CK159 | End of Season Internationals
Apr 10, 2023·15m - 138
RLA | News of the Week - April 2, 23
Apr 2, 2023·6m - 139
CK158 | Greece after the World Cup.
Mar 26, 2023·34m - 140
RLA215 | After the Wolfpack (Intimate Sessions)
Mar 19, 2023·50m - 141
CK157 | Introducing the Geelong Sharks
Mar 12, 2023·28m - 142
CK156 | A pulse on NZ Rugby League (Niche Cache)
Mar 5, 2023·57m - 143
RLA214 | Intimate Sessions - Rugby League United
Feb 26, 2023·50m - 144
CK155 | A World Club Challenge Blueprint
Feb 19, 2023·29m - 145
RLA213 | Intimate Sessions - Pacific Coast Rugby League
Feb 12, 2023·51m - 146
#154 | How to build the NRL brand in the USA
Feb 5, 2023·30m - 147
RLA 212 | It's the Kickoff to 2023!
Feb 1, 2023·1h 16m - 148
#153 | Rugby League needs a pro French competition
Jan 29, 2023·32m - 149
#152 | Chasing for the last time
Dec 10, 2022·1h 1m - 150
RLA 211 | More USA Rugby League Drama than your daytime Soap Opera.
Nov 30, 2022·1h 7m