Beyond The Surface

Samantha Sellers

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Faith loss, named with care.

The gist

Beyond The Surface holds slow, emotionally precise conversations about what faith can do to identity, belonging, and the body. Its center is not tidy recovery, but the difficult work of naming control, grief, shame, and freedom.

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Beyond The Surface is a measured, intimate show about faith, power, identity, and recovery after high-control religion. It is tender, but not soft-edged. The conversations make room for religious trauma, abuse, cult dynamics, queerness, spiritual confusion, and the ordinary ache of losing a whole community at once. Rather than offering quick healing language, the show lingers with what leaving can actually feel like: disorienting, lonely, clarifying, enraging, and sometimes quietly freeing. Sam often begins from a concrete place, a holiday, a story, a question, or a cultural text, then follows it toward the deeper pattern underneath. Easter becomes a conversation about how belief can get inside someone and shape self-understanding. Wicked becomes a way to talk about performance, moral injury, conditioned loyalty, and the grief of realizing the system was wrong. A conversation about spirituality and embodiment asks a difficult question: when people leave religion, how do they recognize nourishment without recreating the same control in another form? Interviews with guests such as Andrew, Naomi, Tristan, and Elise keep the show grounded in lived experience. The effect is less lecture than shared witnessing. There is humor at the edges. There is anger too. But the anger usually serves the same purpose as the tenderness: to name what was minimized, excused, or made sacred by the communities people left. Beyond The Surface is especially attentive to the gap between outward freedom and inner conditioning. It understands that leaving a church, movement, or fundamentalist world does not automatically restore discernment, safety, or self-trust. The show also makes space for queer listeners whose faith histories were tangled with shame, silence, and belonging that came with conditions. Its best episodes do not reduce survivors to damage. They trace how people keep making meaning after inherited certainty collapses. The result is patient, relational, and often bracingly specific.

Made for: For listeners processing religious trauma, deconstruction, queer faith histories, or the loss of community after leaving high-control religion. It also suits people who want survivor-centered conversations without neat recovery formulas.

What sets it apart: Beyond The Surface connects personal story, cultural analysis, and trauma-informed reflection without flattening the emotional complexity of leaving. It treats anger, grief, embodiment, and belonging as intertwined parts of the same recovery work.

In their own words

Welcome to Beyond the Surface, where being seen means being understood. Here, we explore the ups and downs of exploring and sometimes losing faith and community, and the healing power of shared stories. This is a safe space to connect, share, and find support in our common experiences of religious trauma and leaving fundamental communities. Join us as we build a community of understanding and connection. Host - Sam Sellers; Therapist specialising in Religious Trauma and the Queer Community Links: Website - www.anchoredcounsellingservices.com.au Facebook - www.facebook.com/anchoredcounsellingservices Instagram - www.instagram.com/anchoredcounsellingservices Monthly Newsletter...

As heard by us

Based on 4 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Sam Sellers connects religious deconstruction to identity, relationships and recovery, making the lingering effects of high-control faith easier to recognize.

Beyond The Surface follows what happens after a high-control faith stops supplying the answers. Sam Sellers moves between personal testimony, reflective solo commentary and guest conversations, keeping attention on how belief systems shape identity, belonging and recovery.

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Glinda's glitter becomes a mirror for leaving church, if you like your deconstruction emotionally exact.

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  • to examine how high-control beliefs can follow you into prettier forms of spirituality
  • relationship conversations where possessiveness and inherited rules are allowed onto the therapist's couch
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Best episodes of Beyond The Surface

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Exploring Identity and Power: A Deep Dive into WickedMar 11, 2026

A sharp, tender Wicked reading about survival, shame, belonging, and the grief of awakening.

This review treats Wicked as a study in identity, power, and the cost of surviving inside a system that rewards obedience. It works best when it moves past plot mechanics and stays with the moral and emotional damage, especially the awakening that changes not just belief but…

The Complexity of Spirituality and Embodiment Beyond ReligionMar 4, 2026

An honest look at how healing spaces can still hide familiar control.

This sits in the uneasy space between spirituality, embodiment, and old control patterns. It is strongest when it asks what discernment looks like after religion has narrowed it, and when it catches how easy it is to mistake community, beauty, or a good vibe for safety.

Freedom from Fundamentalism after Four DecadesFeb 18, 2026

A close look at how belonging can become conditional inside evangelical life.

This conversation looks at how evangelical faith can turn transactional, with safety, belonging, acceptance, and love made to feel conditional on performance.

Bonus - Deconstructing Monogamy & Exploring Polyamory with Ann RussoMay 11, 2025

A thoughtful, unsentimental look at monogamy, possessiveness, and the work of relating well.

This bonus conversation treats monogamy as something to question rather than defend, and it does so with a calm, educational tone. It moves through jealousy, possessiveness, boundary-setting, and mixed relationship structures, while insisting that everyone involved has thoughts,…

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Gratitude and Closure: The Final Episode of Beyond the Surface

    Jul 22, 2026·49m
  2. 2

    Haram Doodles: On Leaving Islam and Finding Her Voice

    Beyond the Surface host Sam interviews Sammy about leaving Islam after years of navigating religious expectations, cultural identity, and gendered restrictions.

    Jul 15, 2026·1h 21m·5 clips
  3. 3

    Inside the Two by Twos: On Survival, Creativity, and Finding Her Voice

    Hidden gem

    "What we did is the Mount Everest of church leaving. Don't underestimate how extraordinary it is that you got out."

    Jul 8, 2026·1h 22m·2 clips
  4. 4

    After Osho: Disillusionment, Recovery, and What Comes Next

    Jul 1, 2026·1h 22m
  5. 5

    When the Church Outs You and What Exclusion Costs You

    Jun 24, 2026·51m
  6. 6

    The Queer Christian

    Jun 17, 2026·1h 13m
  7. 7

    The Grief Underneath the Rainbow

    Jun 10, 2026·1h 4m
  8. 8

    When The Pastor's Kid Comes Out

    Jun 3, 2026·1h 11m
  9. 9

    When Religion Teaches You Not to Recognise Abuse

    May 27, 2026·1h 11m
  10. 10

    Behind the Scenes at the RTC: The Event & Beyond

    May 20, 2026·38m
  11. 11

    DID, High-Control Systems, and Plural Identity

    May 13, 2026·1h 9m
  12. 12

    Cult Bride: The Traces That Don't Just Disappear

    May 6, 2026·1h 13m
  13. 13

    Different Packaging, Same Harm: The Patterns We Swore We'd Left Behind

    Apr 29, 2026·39m
  14. 14

    When the Cracks Start to Show and Leaving the 2x2's

    Apr 22, 2026·1h 5m
  15. 15

    No Villains: Insight into Mixed Orientation Marriages

    Apr 15, 2026·1h 42m
  16. 16

    Hillsong, Queerness, and Coming Home to Yourself

    This episode explores the intersection of queerness, religious trauma, and personal recovery within contexts like Hillsong, grounded in lived experiences and respect for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Apr 8, 2026·1h 20m
  17. 17

    Hollow Sunday: Confronting the Complexity of Easter Emotions

    This episode features a casual conversation with Elise Hurd about the complex and often damaging emotional impacts of Easter, focusing on validation rather than coping strategies.

    Apr 1, 2026·1h 28m
  18. 18

    From Obedience to Autonomy and Life Beyond Fundamentalism

    This episode explores the journey from obedience to autonomy for those impacted by fundamental religion or high control systems, focusing on religious trauma, recovery, and rebuilding meaning through honest conversation.

    Mar 25, 2026·1h 19m
  19. 19

    Finding Freedom and Leaving the 2x2's

    This episode explores personal experiences of leaving fundamentalist religious groups, focusing on recovery from religious trauma and cult dynamics through vulnerable conversation.

    Mar 18, 2026·1h 12m
  20. 20

    Exploring Identity and Power: A Deep Dive into Wicked

    Hidden gem

    The episode opens with a land acknowledgement and a reminder that the show lives at the edges of faith, identity, power, and recovery.

    Mar 11, 2026·1h 25m·5 clips
  21. 21

    The Complexity of Spirituality and Embodiment Beyond Religion

    Hidden gem

    The episode lives at the edges of faith, identity, power, and recovery, especially for people shaped or harmed by fundamental religion or high control systems.

    Mar 4, 2026·1h 22m·5 clips
  22. 22

    Life After Leaving Faith And Losing Your Community Overnight

    This episode explores the personal and emotional challenges of leaving fundamentalist faith communities, focusing on the sudden loss of community and the process of rebuilding identity and meaning.

    Feb 25, 2026·1h 8m
  23. 23

    Freedom from Fundamentalism after Four Decades

    Hidden gem

    The episode opens with a land acknowledgment and a warning that the conversation will move through religious trauma, abuse, cult dynamics, queerness, and recovery.

    Feb 18, 2026·1h 7m·4 clips
  24. 24

    Coming Home To Self: Queer, Spiritual & Free

    Feb 11, 2026·1h 36m
  25. 25

    Purity, Shame, and Untangling a High-Control Upbringing

    Feb 4, 2026·1h 12m
  26. 26

    Behind the Curtain: The Systematic Power of Megachurches

    Jan 28, 2026·1h 14m
  27. 27

    From Faith to Freedom: Leaving an Abusive Marriage

    Jan 21, 2026·1h 30m
  28. 28

    The Cost of Being Queer in a Fundamental Church Part Two

    Jan 14, 2026·55m
  29. 29

    The Cost of Being Queer in a Fundamental Church Part One

    Jan 7, 2026·1h 29m
  30. 30

    Bonus - Navigating Nostalgia: A Reflection on Christmas and Religious Trauma

    Dec 14, 2025·26m
  31. 31

    What 'Secret Lives of Mormon Wives' Reveals About Trauma

    Dec 8, 2025·1h 33m
  32. 32

    The Ones Deconstructing Faith & Parenting - Liz & Jesse Part 2

    Nov 26, 2025·1h 8m
  33. 33

    The Ones Who Deconstructed While Married - Liz & Jesse Part 1

    Nov 19, 2025·1h 17m
  34. 34

    The One Bringing An AuDHD Lens to Deconstruction

    Nov 12, 2025·1h 12m
  35. 35

    The MLM Cult Survivor

    Nov 5, 2025·1h 19m
  36. 36

    The Cult Survivor Who Wont Be Silenced

    This episode features an interview with Cheryl, a cult survivor who shares her experiences with religious trauma, high control communities, and deconstructing her faith, including heavy topics like child sexual abuse and suicidality.

    Oct 29, 2025·1h 14m
  37. 37

    The Ex-Mormon Therapist

    Oct 22, 2025·1h 22m
  38. 38

    The One Who Went From Being A Blessing To Being Shunned

    Oct 15, 2025·1h 22m
  39. 39

    The One Who Went From Golden Child To Scapegoat

    Oct 8, 2025·1h 20m
  40. 40

    The Suburban Witch

    Oct 1, 2025·1h 16m
  41. 41

    The One Who Survived IBLP

    Sep 24, 2025·1h 5m
  42. 42

    The Asian American Apostate

    Sep 17, 2025·1h 17m
  43. 43

    The One Who Escaped Providence

    Sep 10, 2025·1h 31m
  44. 44

    The Sufi Cult Survivor

    Sep 3, 2025·1h 20m
  45. 45

    The One Who Divorced Religion

    Aug 27, 2025·1h 6m
  46. 46

    The One Saved So Hard She Needed Therapy

    Aug 20, 2025·55m
  47. 47

    The One Moving From Shame To Self-Compassion

    Aug 13, 2025·1h 13m
  48. 48

    The One Who Went From Mormonism To Writing Spicy Novels

    Aug 6, 2025·1h 29m
  49. 49

    The One Who Went From Liberty To Liberation

    Jul 30, 2025·1h 45m
  50. 50

    The One Who Challenged Purity Culture & Reclaimed Asexuality

    Jul 23, 2025·1h 24m
  51. 51

    The One Raised In A Non-Traditional Southern Baptist Home

    Jul 16, 2025·1h
  52. 52

    The One Who Chose Holy Disobedience

    Jul 9, 2025·1h 19m
  53. 53

    The Ex-Mormon Stripper

    Jul 2, 2025·1h 17m
  54. 54

    The One Who Went From Conservative To Contemplative

    Jun 25, 2025·1h 7m
  55. 55

    The One Healing From Spiritual Abuse

    Jun 18, 2025·1h 30m
  56. 56

    The One Navigating The Intersection Of Faith, Sexuality And Gender

    Jun 11, 2025·1h 11m
  57. 57

    The One Who Stumbled Out Of Evangelicalism

    Jun 4, 2025·1h 40m
  58. 58

    The One Who Walked The Tightrope Of Belief And Resistance

    This episode features an interview with Josie, a member of The Collective's advisory committee, exploring her experiences with religious trauma and leaving high-control communities as part of a podcast about faith deconstruction and survivor stories.

    May 28, 2025·1h 9m
  59. 59

    The One Who Went From Mormonism To Polyamory

    This episode features an interview with AJ, who shares their personal journey from Mormonism to polyamory, exploring themes of religious trauma, leaving high-control communities, and deconstructing faith.

    May 21, 2025·1h 11m
  60. 60

    The One Who Went From Conservative Baptist To Affirming Pastor

    May 14, 2025·1h 30m
  61. 61

    Bonus - Deconstructing Monogamy & Exploring Polyamory with Ann Russo

    Hidden gem

    Sam opens a bonus session of Beyond the Surface with a land acknowledgement and the show’s emphasis on expert conversations about religious trauma, cults, and deconstruction.

    May 11, 2025·1h 10m·5 clips
  62. 62

    The One Who Chose Freedom Over Certainty

    May 7, 2025·1h 19m
  63. 63

    The Ex-JW Creative

    Apr 30, 2025·1h 18m
  64. 64

    The One Who Went From Martyrdom To Choosing Herself

    Apr 23, 2025·1h 4m
  65. 65

    The One Who Deconstructed By Reading A Thousand Books

    Apr 16, 2025·55m
  66. 66

    Bonus - How To Be Okay Over Easter

    Apr 13, 2025·1h 3m
  67. 67

    The One Who Is Finding Spirituality Within The Grey

    Apr 9, 2025·1h 4m
  68. 68

    The Spicy Book Author

    Apr 2, 2025·1h 8m
  69. 69

    The Heretical Poet

    Mar 26, 2025·1h 22m
  70. 70

    The One Who Went In Search Of Authenticity

    Mar 19, 2025·1h 18m
  71. 71

    The One Who Chose Love Over Dogma

    Mar 12, 2025·1h 23m
  72. 72

    Understanding Cult Dynamics: Insights from a Survivor and Expert

    Mar 9, 2025·58m
  73. 73

    The One Who Went From The Bible Belt To Liberation

    Mar 5, 2025·1h 4m
  74. 74

    The Apostate Barbie

    Feb 26, 2025·1h 12m
  75. 75

    The Loving Heretic

    Feb 19, 2025·1h 14m
  76. 76

    The One Who Found The Divine In The Forest

    Feb 12, 2025·1h 8m
  77. 77

    Understanding Spiritual Coercive Control with Bethany Jantzi

    Feb 9, 2025·1h 4m
  78. 78

    The One Who Radiates Queer Joy

    Feb 5, 2025·1h 6m
  79. 79

    The One Who Went From Missionary Kid to Spiritual Nomad

    Jan 29, 2025·57m
  80. 80

    The Deconstructing Mormon

    Jan 22, 2025·1h 17m
  81. 81

    The One Who Went From Born-Again Christian to Agnostic Atheist

    Jan 15, 2025·1h 2m
  82. 82

    The Religious Abuse & Academic Sabotage Survivor (Part Two)

    Jan 8, 2025·53m
  83. 83

    The Religious Abuse & Academic Sabotage Survivor (Part One)

    Jan 1, 2025·50m
  84. 84

    How To Be Okay Over Christmas

    Dec 8, 2024·1h 13m
  85. 85

    The Body Whisperer

    Dec 4, 2024·57m
  86. 86

    The One Who Was Excommunicated - Part Two

    Nov 27, 2024·1h 5m
  87. 87

    The One Who Was Excommunicated - Part One

    Nov 20, 2024·1h 29m
  88. 88

    The One Who Was Lied To About God

    Nov 13, 2024·1h
  89. 89

    The Whistleblower of a Dominionist Cult

    Nov 6, 2024·1h 27m
  90. 90

    Recovering From Purity Culture As A Person Of Faith with Dr Camden Morgante

    Nov 3, 2024·58m
  91. 91

    The Holy Runaway

    Oct 30, 2024·49m
  92. 92

    The Former Fundamentalist

    Oct 23, 2024·1h 9m
  93. 93

    Bridging the Gap - The Religious Trauma Collective

    Oct 20, 2024·1h 4m
  94. 94

    The Descendant of Joseph Smith

    Oct 16, 2024·55m
  95. 95

    The Exvangelical Parent

    Oct 9, 2024·1h
  96. 96

    Purity Culture 101 with Meg Cowan

    Oct 6, 2024·1h
  97. 97

    The Former 'Good Christian Girl'

    Oct 2, 2024·1h 11m
  98. 98

    The One Who Reclaimed Her Body Post Purity Culture

    Sep 25, 2024·52m
  99. 99

    The One Who Found Life After Religion

    Sep 18, 2024·1h 8m
  100. 100

    The One Who Went From Church Leader To Sex Coach

    Sep 11, 2024·1h 2m
  101. 101

    The Religious Trauma Expert

    Sep 4, 2024·1h 3m
  102. 102

    The One Who Escaped Catholic Institutional Abuse

    Aug 28, 2024·53m
  103. 103

    The Conversion Practice Survivor

    Aug 21, 2024·1h 22m
  104. 104

    Religious Trauma & The Body with Liz Milani & Erica Webb

    Aug 18, 2024·1h 16m
  105. 105

    The Domestic Violence Survivor

    Aug 14, 2024·53m
  106. 106

    The One Who Survived An Unnamed Cult

    Aug 7, 2024·1h
  107. 107

    The One Who Gave Up God

    Jul 31, 2024·1h 2m
  108. 108

    The Deconstructing Feminist

    Jul 24, 2024·1h 1m
  109. 109

    The Ex-Purity Culture Poster Child

    Jul 17, 2024·44m
  110. 110

    The Deconstruction Podcaster

    Jul 10, 2024·52m
  111. 111

    The Mysterious Christian

    Jul 3, 2024·54m
  112. 112

    The Drag Queen Minister

    Jun 26, 2024·1h 1m
  113. 113

    The NeuroQueer Advocate

    Jun 19, 2024·59m
  114. 114

    Cognitive Dissonance in Queer Lives

    Jun 16, 2024·54m
  115. 115

    The Unbound Lesbian

    Jun 12, 2024·1h 8m
  116. 116

    The Gay Ex-Pastor

    Jun 5, 2024·1h 24m
  117. 117

    The Inclusive Composer

    May 29, 2024·57m
  118. 118

    The Multi-Cult Survivor

    May 22, 2024·1h 9m
  119. 119

    The Intuitive Spirit

    May 15, 2024·57m
  120. 120

    The Courageous Storyteller

    May 8, 2024·1h 1m
  121. 121

    The Sentimental Non-Believer

    May 1, 2024·59m
  122. 122

    The New Evangelical

    Apr 24, 2024·50m
  123. 123

    Prosper: Drama or Reality?

    Apr 21, 2024·59m
  124. 124

    The Truth Seeker

    Apr 17, 2024·1h 5m
  125. 125

    The Questioning Ex-Pastor

    Apr 10, 2024·59m
  126. 126

    Me, Myself & I

    Apr 3, 2024·1h 20m
  127. 127

    The Deconstructing Damsel

    Mar 27, 2024·1h 18m
  128. 128

    The Nature Seeker - Part 2

    Mar 20, 2024·52m
  129. 129

    The Nature Seeker - Part 1

    Mar 13, 2024·1h 12m
  130. 130

    The Deconstructing Mama

    Mar 6, 2024·1h 16m
  131. 131

    The Deconstruction Journey

    Mar 1, 2024·56m
  132. 132

    The Evolving Creative

    Feb 28, 2024·1h 17m
  133. 133

    The Naked Pastor

    Feb 21, 2024·1h 2m
  134. 134

    The Curiosity Chaser

    Feb 14, 2024·1h 2m
  135. 135

    The Thoughtful Poet

    Feb 7, 2024·1h 2m
  136. 136

    The Nomadic Soul

    Jan 31, 2024·1h 8m
  137. 137

    Welcome to Beyond the Surface

    Jan 4, 2024·2m