Anatomy of Next

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Broken cities, fragile networks, and people building alternatives.

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Anatomy of Next sets up its guests with a narrated case about something broken, from San Francisco's Board of Supervisors to a New York subway line under construction since the 1970s. The guests then argue for other routes: priced express lanes, neighborhood cameras, cities built from scratch and a more secure internet.

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Anatomy of Next works like a run of arguments, each handed to a guest to finish. Many episodes open with a narrated setup that names a problem and presses on it before anyone else speaks. The opening of 'Robert Poole // Gridlock' treats transit as a measure of a city's health, then points to New York's 2nd Avenue subway line, under construction since the 1970s. 'ASYLUM #3 — Trivial Pursuit' goes further, casting the listener as a newly elected San Francisco supervisor facing housing out of reach, property crime and people living on the streets, then turning to what the board chose to legislate instead. Its conversation asks how a supervisor can legislate on something he does not understand, with stock options as the case in point. Mike Solana signs it off from Founders Fund on a blunt note: after a months-long battle, supervisors had helped five people. Then the guests take over, and several look past city hall entirely. Patri Friedman, director of Pronomos Capital, takes up a question the narrator hears often from people in tech: why not build new cities from scratch? He recounts the Seasteading Institute's cooled relationship with French Polynesia, pitches 'shipsteading' as medical tourism aboard a cruise ship, and closes on land rezoned into small zones, each copying a different set of laws. In 'Garrett Langley // Standing Guard', the narrator admits to having thought cities mainly needed better local government. The guest's story starts elsewhere, with neighbors pooling a small yearly sum for a camera at the neighborhood entrance and police departments calling of their own accord. Poole's episode stays closer to policy, defending priced express lanes as 'everybody lanes' full of the same Toyotas and Nissans as the regular ones, and naming pricing as the fix for future gridlock. Dan Kaminsky's episode leaves cities behind. Its opening borrows the Lindy Effect, which ties a technology's life expectancy to how long it has already lasted, and turns it on the internet, where new things remain untested by time. Kaminsky, founder of White Ops, is introduced as best known for finding a critical flaw in the internet's domain name system and leading a synchronized fix to the internet's infrastructure. The Peter Thiel interview, filmed in Los Angeles in 2023, looks back at The Diversity Myth 30 years after he wrote it. Mike Solana asks the questions, and the talk moves through elite colleges and the college-application treadmill before arriving at AI, described as a future that needs no Manhattan Project, only not to be stopped. Despite a feed description aimed at Mars, the conversations described here stay on Earth, in its city halls, roads and networks. What ties them together is impatience with things that ought to work, matched by real enthusiasm for people trying another way. The show is openly opinionated about San Francisco, and it suits a listener who likes the case made before the interview begins.

Made for: Suits a listener impatient with stalled transit, city politics and tired institutions who wants the problem argued plainly before hearing from someone with an alternative, from a priced express lane to a city built from scratch.

What sets it apart: Episodes often open with a narrated, pointed case about what has broken before the guest speaks. That ties conversations on express lanes, seasteading, DNS security and San Francisco's supervisors into one running argument about progress and what blocks it.

In their own words

In the second season of Anatomy of Next, explore every aspect of going to Mars, transforming it into a habitable world, and building a new branch of human civilization. How do we bring a cold, dead planet back to life? Can we build an atmosphere on Mars, thaw the frozen plains, and build an ocean? How do we seed a barren land with life, and make a red Mars green? Then, it’s everything from politics and education to money, music, and architecture. What does it mean to be human on an alien world?

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Plastic straws get banned while housing stalls: your city hall frustration has found a microphone.

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  • to hear Peter Thiel revisit what his old book got right and wrong, then make up your own mind
  • to consider whether neighborhood cameras could give police the evidence they need after a car break-in
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Peter Thiel // The Diversity Myth, 30 Years LaterSep 7, 2023

Peter Thiel revisits The Diversity Myth through elite colleges, union politics, and an AI future he thinks may only need room to proceed.

Thirty years after The Diversity Myth, Peter Thiel joins Mike Solana to look back at what the book got right, what it missed, and why he thinks social conflict keeps pulling attention from progress in science, technology, economics, religion, and politics.

Patri Friedman // Starting OverDec 29, 2020

A clear tour from seasteading to charter cities, where better laws are pitched as the engine of new urban experiments.

Anatomy of Next frames San Francisco's urban crisis as the entry point to Patri Friedman's broader case for building new cities instead of waiting years or decades for existing political systems to change.

Robert Poole // GridlockDec 18, 2020

A clear, focused look at why city transportation stalls, and how pricing fits into the future of self-driving cars.

Gridlock frames transportation as a kind of civic health check, moving from Los Angeles traffic to subway systems in New York, London, and Tokyo before turning to a harder question: why major infrastructure has become so difficult to build.

Garrett Langley // Standing GuardOct 23, 2020

A practical look at community-funded cameras, public safety, and the civic questions that come with wider surveillance.

Property crime is framed here as an evidence problem, with Garrett Langley of Flock Safety laying out how community-funded security cameras can link neighborhood, business, and city systems.

ASYLUM #3 — Trivial PursuitOct 14, 2020

A pointed San Francisco policy critique connects blocked housing, rushed tech taxation, and symbolic bans to weak public infrastructure.

"ASYLUM #3 - Trivial Pursuit" turns San Francisco's civic dysfunction into a tight political postmortem. Housing that remains out of reach sits alongside property crime, street disorder, sanitation, transit, schools, and strained small businesses, while supervisors are shown…

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  1. 1

    Peter Thiel // The Diversity Myth, 30 Years Later

    Hidden gem

    Mike Solana interviews Peter Thiel in Los Angeles in 2023 about The Diversity Myth, 30 years after Thiel and David Sacks wrote it at Stanford.

    Sep 7, 2023·1h 9m·4 clips
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    Patri Friedman // Starting Over

    Hidden gem

    Patry Friedman, director of Pronomos Capital and a board member of the Seasteading Institute and the Startup Societies Foundation, argues that San Francisco’s problems point toward a larger experiment in governance.

    Dec 29, 2020·33m·2 clips
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    Robert Poole // Gridlock

    Hidden gem

    Robert Kuhl, Director of Transportation Policy at Reason Foundation, argues that California and New York have made transit and highway building far harder than they need to be.

    Dec 18, 2020·33m·2 clips
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    Garrett Langley // Standing Guard

    Hidden gem

    Garrett Langley says Flock Safety started with a rash of car break-ins in Atlanta and a realization that police mainly needed one thing: a license plate.

    Oct 23, 2020·37m·2 clips
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    ASYLUM #3 — Trivial Pursuit

    Hidden gem

    Anatomy of Next: Asylum #3 — Trivial Pursuit focuses on San Francisco's 11-member Board of Supervisors, from a $12 billion budget to bans on straws, scooters, and workplace cafeterias.

    Oct 14, 2020·41m·2 clips
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    Daniela Perdomo // A New Signal

    Daniela Perdomo says Gotenna devices pair with phones over Bluetooth and use lower-frequency radio for long-range text, locations, and bursty voice.

    Sep 10, 2020·31m·2 clips
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    Fnnch // Brand New Paint Job

    Fnnch, a San Francisco street artist, uses honey bears to make public art approachable to people who may not visit galleries.

    Aug 27, 2020·43m·2 clips
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    Matthew Putman // Nano City

    Hidden gem

    Nanotronics founder Matthew Putman describes AI-guided microscopes that detect defects in compound semiconductors and help factories correct them.

    Aug 4, 2020·37m·2 clips
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    Alexis Rivas // House Factory

    Jul 28, 2020·21m
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    ASYLUM #2 — Legalize Housing

    Jun 29, 2020·53m
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    Andrew Farah // Density

    Jun 17, 2020·25m
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    Ryan Delk // School is Not a Place

    May 27, 2020·32m
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    Joshua Browder // An Army of Robotic Lawyers

    May 12, 2020·20m
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    Delian Asparouhov // Machines That Drive

    May 1, 2020·36m
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    Ryan Petersen // Global Trade and Civilization

    Apr 21, 2020·38m
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    ASYLUM #1 — Boomtown, USA

    Apr 13, 2020·48m
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    NEW WORLD #11 — Interstellar

    Feb 22, 2019·59m
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    Kai-Fu Lee // China

    Feb 18, 2019·37m
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    NEW WORLD #10 — Sex in Space, Part One

    Feb 12, 2019·24m
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    NEW WORLD #10 — Sex in Space, Part Two

    Feb 12, 2019·37m
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    NEW WORLD # 9 — Multiplanar Humanity

    Feb 4, 2019·54m
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    Christina Lomasney // Material Advance, Part Two

    Feb 2, 2019·23m
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    Dan Widmaier // Material Advance, Part One

    Jan 31, 2019·23m
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    Paul Dabrowski // Biological Factory

    Jan 30, 2019·10m
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    Adrian Aoun // Martian Sick Day

    Jan 26, 2019·11m
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    NEW WORLD #8 — City in the Stars

    Jan 24, 2019·54m
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    Palmer Luckey // A New Defense

    Jan 21, 2019·43m
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    Technology and Defense at Founders Fund HQ

    Jan 16, 2019·41m
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    Lewis Dartnell // The Knowledge

    Jan 15, 2019·24m
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    NEW WORLD # 7 — Make Man Martian

    Jan 15, 2019·37m
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    Gabriel Licina // Biohackers

    Jan 9, 2019·15m
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    NEW WORLD #6 — Alien Ecology

    Jan 4, 2019·36m
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    Jamie Hyneman // Eureka deconstructed

    Oct 21, 2018·18m
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    Maisie Williams // Art, identity, and this is your brain on Twitter

    Oct 2, 2018·19m
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    Dan Kaminsky // Security

    Dan Kaminski discusses internet vulnerabilities and the Lindy Effect, highlighting the fragility of modern digital infrastructure.

    Aug 29, 2018·28m
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    Barbara Moreau // Raising astronauts

    Aug 13, 2018·18m
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    Nick Bostrom // Superbrains and simulated worlds

    Jul 29, 2018·18m
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    George Church // Genetically modified everything

    Jul 16, 2018·20m
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    Stuart Armstrong // Dyson swarms and death rays

    Jul 2, 2018·12m
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    bonus: what's coming up

    Jun 17, 2018·3m
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    Chris McKay // What if there’s life on Mars?

    Jun 17, 2018·15m
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    NEW WORLD #5 — Let's Build an Ocean

    Jun 10, 2018·28m
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    NEW WORLD #4 — How to Die in Outer Space

    This episode explores the risks and challenges of a manned mission to Mars, from the journey to survival on the planet.

    Jun 3, 2018·31m
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    NEW WORLD #3 — Strange Rockets

    This episode explores the technologies and challenges of traveling to Mars and building a human colony on the red planet.

    May 28, 2018·24m
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    NEW WORLD #2 — Malthus was Wrong

    This episode explores the motivations and plans for building a human civilization on Mars, featuring insights from Elon Musk and the private space industry.

    May 19, 2018·28m
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    NEW WORLD #1 — New World

    May 11, 2018·32m
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    TEASER: Fermi's Paradox

    This episode explores the vision and challenges of transforming Mars into a habitable world for human civilization.

    Aug 21, 2017·39m
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    Jul 12, 2016·32m
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    [Archive: UTOPIA #4]

    Jul 5, 2016·29m
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    [Archive: UTOPIA #3]

    This episode explores the history and ethics of robotics, using Asimov's laws as a framework to discuss humanity's relationship with intelligent machines.

    Jun 28, 2016·36m