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AI with AI explores the latest breakthroughs in artificial intelligence and autonomy, and discusses the technological and military implications. Join Andy Ilachinski and David Broyles as they explain the latest developments in this rapidly evolving field. The views expressed here are those of the commentators and do not necessarily reflect the views of CNA or any of its sponsors.

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Based on 6 episodes we listened to · September 2026

Careful distinctions and persistent follow-up questions connect AI research to the practical uncertainties of policy, autonomy and military deployment.

AI with AI moves between brisk news roundups and longer interviews, with Andy Lachinsky pressing past announcements to ask how artificial intelligence behaves outside a controlled demonstration.

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Rebroadcast: Xen and the Art of Motorcell MaintenanceJul 2, 2021

A clear tour of xenobots, with time-bound AI regulation as the opening frame.

This rebroadcast treats xenobots as a compact lens on where AI, robotics, and biology meet. The opening segment frames the discussion with dated AI regulation, then the interview tracks a shift from simulation into living systems and back again, where observation and modeling…

No Time to AIJun 18, 2021

A clear, grounded look at how researchers organized public reporting on Russia's AI activity.

A brisk news opening around a U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission report gives way to the episode's main business: a careful look at what Russia is doing with artificial intelligence.

Someday My 'Nets Will CodeJun 11, 2021

GPT-Neo's polished prose becomes a clear case for why fluent AI output still needs scrutiny.

AI with AI puts fluent language-model output under a careful editorial light. Its look at GPT-Neo returns to the unicorn story, where a generated article seems persuasive until the details start to wobble: one word, "hello," is treated as proof of perfect English, and "living…

Just the Tip of the SkyborgJun 4, 2021

A policy-minded review of military AI, workforce legislation, quantum computing, and US-China AI publication comparisons.

The episode frames military AI as a policy problem as much as a technical one, moving through workforce legislation, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin's remarks on AI and quantum computation, and research comparing US and Chinese AI publications.

Rebroadcast: A.I. in the SkyMay 28, 2021

A clear, careful look at why predictable military AI can still lead to uncertain real-world effects.

Military AI becomes harder to trust when a system can behave predictably while its real-world consequences remain unsettled. Arthur Holland Michel's discussion of The Black Box Unlocked, Predictability and Understandability in Military AI usefully separates predictability across…

DoggoneMay 21, 2021

A crossword winner shows why AI's most interesting gains may come from combining specialized systems.

A computer victory at a prestigious crossword tournament gives this episode its strongest frame for thinking about practical AI. Dr. Phil, Matt Ginsberg's program, wins despite three errors because its speed outpaces the human solvers, but the more useful story is how it got…

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Episodes

  1. 1

    Short Circuit RACER

    This episode discusses DARPA's ALIAS program, which recently conducted the first completely pilotless flights of a UH-68 Blackhawk helicopter retrofitted with Sikorsky's Matrix technology.

    ·44m
  2. 2

    The Amulet of NeRFdor

    This episode discusses the latest AI and autonomy news, including follow-ups on the European Parliament's AI Act and a report from the Ada Lovelace Institute proposing regulatory recommendations.

    ·38m
  3. 3

    AI-chemy 2: This Time It's Personal (Part 2)

    This episode features an interview with Dr.

    ·18m
  4. 4

    El Gato Altinteligento

    This episode of AI with AI covers the latest AI news, including the European Parliament's vote on AI regulations and an upcoming interview with Professor Ido Kanter about brain learning research.

    ·43m
  5. 5

    Rebroadcast: AI-chemy 2: This Time It's Personal (Part 2)

    This episode discusses the economic impact of global sanctions on Russia's technology and AI sector following the Ukraine-Russia conflict, featuring an interview with Dr.

    ·18m
  6. 6

    Chasing AIMe

    This episode discusses the introduction of the AI ME Registry, a community-driven reporting platform for AI in biomedicine, highlighting its importance across AI and machine learning research.

    ·36m
  7. 7

    Xenadu

    This episode discusses DARPA's latest OFFSET field exercise, where a single human operator successfully controlled 130 physical and 30 simulated drone platforms in an urban environment to advance swarm technology.

    ·42m
  8. 8

    Pet Shop Bots: BEHAVIOR

    This episode discusses a recent GAO report detailing how 18 out of 24 U.S.

    ·35m
  9. 9

    Rebroadcast: The Robohattan Project

    This episode discusses the Future of Defense Task Force Report, analyzing its recommendations on how the U.S.

    ·36m
  10. 10

    Up, Up, and Autonomy!

    This episode discusses the recent update to the U.S.

    ·37m
  11. 11

    EmerGPT

    This episode discusses a Stanford University report assessing the implementation status of America's AI strategy pillars, revealing significant challenges with fewer than 40% of requirements being met.

    ·36m
  12. 12

    The Kwicker Man

    This episode discusses the National Defense Authorization Act's extensive coverage of artificial intelligence and autonomy, highlighting its expansion beyond the Department of Defense to include other federal agencies.

    ·32m
  13. 13

    Battledrone Galactica

    This episode discusses a major copyright lawsuit against Microsoft, GitHub, and OpenAI over their AI tool Copilot's use of open source code, highlighting its implications for AI ethics and law.

    ·36m
  14. 14

    Drawing Outside the Box

    This episode discusses the European Commission's new AI liability directive that makes it easier to sue AI companies for harm, using examples like resume screening discrimination.

    ·33m
  15. 15

    AI Today Podcast: Interview with Andy Ilachinski and David Broyles, hosts of the AI with AI podcast

    This episode of the AI Today podcast features an interview with Andy Ilachinski and David Broyles, hosts of the AI with AI podcast, discussing current developments and applications of artificial intelligence across various industries and sectors.

    ·1h 1m
  16. 16

    All Good Things

    This final episode of AI with AI discusses the US Department of State's Political Declaration on the Responsible Military Use of Artificial Intelligence and Autonomy, unveiled at a summit in the Netherlands, which outlines 12 best practices for militaries to adopt AI responsibly.

    ·28m
  17. 17

    Searching for Robot Pincher

    This episode discusses DeepMind's release of a massive database containing predicted structures for over 200 million proteins, representing a historic breakthrough in artificial intelligence and molecular biology research.

    ·46m
  18. 18

    Three Amecas!

    This episode discusses the latest developments in artificial intelligence and autonomy, focusing on the FY22 National Defense Authorization Act and its provisions impacting AI funding and regulations.

    ·40m
  19. 19

    Is it alive or is it Xeno-rex?

    This episode discusses the Pentagon's recent reorganization of its AI and data offices, including the creation of a new Chief Data and Artificial Intelligence Officer position and its implications for defense priorities.

    ·38m
  20. 20

    AI-chemy 2: This Time It's Personal

    This episode discusses DARPA's Machine Common Sense Program updates, focusing on its goal to develop AI that mimics child cognition through intuitive physics and spatial navigation.

    ·24m
  21. 21

    Dr. GPT

    This episode discusses MIT's peer-reviewed study on an AI education program for U.S.

    ·37m
  22. 22

    AI Today, Tomorrow, & Forever

    This episode features an interview with Kathleen Walsh and Ron Schmelter, hosts of AI Today and founders of Cognolitica, discussing their AI podcast's origins and the evolution of AI coverage over the past few years.

    ·43m
  23. 23

    the sentience of the lamdas

    This episode discusses the latest AI news including the DOD's responsible AI strategy and previews an interview with Kush Varshney about trustworthy machine learning.

    ·41m
  24. 24

    RAI, consumers' co-operative

    This episode of AI with AI discusses responsible AI and data bias with CNA colleagues Kaya Haney and Heather Roth, focusing on insights from a recent seminar with expert Dr.

    ·44m
  25. 25

    Face/Off

    This episode discusses the Defense Innovation Unit's new responsible AI guidelines for military applications, comparing them to previous intelligence community standards.

    ·40m
  26. 26

    Top Gan: Swarmaverick

    This episode discusses the implications of AI bias for national security and reviews DoD Directive 3000 Pac-11 on autonomous weapon systems.

    ·37m
  27. 27

    Beauty Is in the AI of the Perceiver

    This episode discusses OpenAI's new Codex, an enhanced version of GitHub's co-pilot that uses GPT-3 and extensive code examples to assist programmers.

    ·36m
  28. 28

    Xenopus in Boots

    This episode discusses a recent PLOS Digital Health article analyzing how human mobility data failed to significantly impact COVID-19 policymaking, connecting it to broader AI and data science themes.

    ·42m
  29. 29

    Rebroadcast: AI Today, Tomorrow, & Forever

    This rebroadcast episode features an interview with Kathleen Walsh and Ron Schmelter, hosts of AI Today and founders of Cognolitica, discussing their work and the evolution of AI over recent years.

    ·43m
  30. 30

    Revenge of the AWS

    This episode discusses the latest developments in artificial intelligence, focusing on OpenAI's recent announcement about making GPT-3 more widely available through its API and the associated safety measures.

    ·43m
  31. 31

    The AI Who Loved Me

    This episode discusses recent developments in AI and autonomy, focusing on drone and autonomous vehicle attacks in the Ukraine-Russia war, including an analysis of a recent unmanned assault on the Russian Black Sea fleet.

    ·31m
  32. 32

    Leggo my Stego!

    This episode discusses recent GAO reports analyzing the Department of Defense's and Navy's AI strategies, highlighting concerns and recommendations for their implementation.

    ·29m
  33. 33

    K9mm

    This episode introduces Season 5.0 of the AI with AI podcast, featuring format changes to biweekly releases and an upcoming interview with Dr.

    ·35m
  34. 34

    Where the Dan Board Are

    This episode discusses the UK government's newly released 10-year national AI strategy aimed at making the country a global AI superpower, analyzing its three main pillars and comparing it to other AI strategies.

    ·39m
  35. 35

    Horrorscope

    This episode discusses a new AI-powered search engine developed by researchers to help navigate the flood of COVID-19 research papers by identifying those most likely to contain significant problems or challenges.

    ·44m
  36. 36

    The WHO AI: I Can't Explain (My Generation)

    This episode discusses Tesla's AI Day announcements, focusing on new developments like the D1 chip for Dojo supercomputers and HydraNet for self-driving technology.

    ·40m
  37. 37

    XLand, Simulation of Sweet Adventures

    This episode discusses a report from the Alan Turing Institute analyzing the UK's data science and AI community's response to COVID-19, including the failure of hundreds of AI tools to help catch the virus.

    ·32m
  38. 38

    Rebroadcast: the social bot network

    This rebroadcast episode features an interview with CNA researchers Meg McBride and Casey Strickland discussing their report on social media bots and bot networks.

    ·20m
  39. 39

    The AI Is Smarter on the Other Side of the FENCE

    This episode discusses DARPA's new program to develop a fast event-based neuromorphic camera and electronics system for fence sensors that mimic brain-eye circuitry to detect pixel changes efficiently.

    ·32m
  40. 40

    The Ode to Decoy

    This episode discusses NATO's first announced AI strategy, focusing on its fourfold goals and notable omission of explicit references to lethal autonomous weapons.

    ·38m
  41. 41

    Bridge on the River NukkAI

    This episode discusses the Biden administration's defense budget request for AI and autonomy, focusing on funding increases and the establishment of the Chief Digital and Artificial Intelligence Officer office.

    ·35m
  42. 42

    GPT Is My CoPilot

    This episode discusses the Israel Defense Forces' first combat use of a swarm of small autonomous drones to locate, identify, and attack Hamas militants in Gaza, based on a New Scientist report.

    ·35m
  43. 43

    Keep Watching the AIs!

    This episode discusses the latest developments in artificial intelligence and autonomy, including cybersecurity principles from the UK, while announcing the potential end of the podcast after season five unless sponsorship is found.

    ·36m
  44. 44

    A PIG GR_PH

    This episode discusses Ukraine's use of Clearview AI's facial recognition technology in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, including ethical implications and disinformation concerns.

    ·35m
  45. 45

    Slightly Unconscionable

    This episode discusses a GAO report on AI's status in developing and acquiring capabilities for military weapon systems, including insights from DoD interviews and documentation.

    ·38m
  46. 46

    NOMARS Attacks!

    This episode discusses DARPA's NOMARS program and its Design Space Exploration Tool for chip design, while also announcing the podcast's potential end and seeking sponsorship.

    ·39m
  47. 47

    EPIC BLOOM

    This episode discusses the FTC's Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking targeting commercial surveillance and data security practices in the context of AI and autonomy.

    ·35m
  48. 48

    Journey to the Cause of Reason

    This episode of AI with AI discusses recent AI breakthroughs, focusing on a peer-reviewed study that uses AI to analyze gene expression data from 45,000 samples to discover the invariant host response to viral pandemics like COVID-19, while also touching on topics such as AI in dogfights and machine learning applications.

    Jul 9, 2021·37m·3 clips
  49. 49

    Rebroadcast: Xen and the Art of Motorcell Maintenance

    This episode rebroadcasts an interview on xenobots, featuring researchers Sam Kriegman and Doug Blackiston discussing their work on living robots made from frog cells.

    Jul 2, 2021·40m·3 clips
  50. 50

    Reward of the Coprophages

    This episode of AI with AI introduces the formation of the National Artificial Intelligence Research Resource Task Force, a U.S.

    Jun 25, 2021·34m·3 clips
  51. 51

    No Time to AI

    Hidden gem

    AI with AI: No Time to AI opens with a news rundown on the U.S.

    Jun 18, 2021·37m·2 clips
  52. 52

    Someday My 'Nets Will Code

    Hidden gem

    ["Andy Lachinsky opens AI with AI by asking whether a New Scientist headline about STM's Kargu-2 in Libya could mark the first fully autonomous drone attack.", "He then pivots to the Biden administration's FY22 DOD budget, which totals $715 billion, allocates $874 million to AI, and trims basic research by about 11.5% from 2021.", "The middle of the episode covers NIST's nine-factor trust model, EleutherAI's GPT-Neo on the 825-gigabyte Pile, Beijing Academy of AI's Wu Dao 2.0, and CSET's report on GPT-3 and disinformation.", "The back half turns to IBM's Codenet, the APPS code benchmark, CNA's Russia AI report, Arthur Holland Michel's Known Unknowns, and a June 23 discussion with Diana Gelhaus about DoD AI workforce requirements."]

    Jun 11, 2021·45m·3 clips
  53. 53

    Just the Tip of the Skyborg

    ["AI with AI: Artificial Intelligence with Andy Lachinsky highlights a Nature brain-computer interface paper where a 65-year-old paralyzed participant typed 90 characters a minute with 94% accuracy.", "The Air Force's Skyborg Autonomy Core System also gets a first flight at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, with a Kratos UTAP-22 drone and prototype work from Boeing and General Atomics.", "Policy coverage includes the UK Office for AI's seven-point Ethics, Transparency, and Accountability Framework for Automated Decision Making and Peter Maurer's May 12 ICRC speech on autonomous weapons.", "The episode closes with Max Tegmark and Ziming Liu's AI Poincar\u00e9 paper, China's rising AI publication counts, and book callouts from The Onlife Manifesto to Genius Makers."]

    Jun 4, 2021·35m·3 clips
  54. 54

    Rebroadcast: A.I. in the Sky

    Hidden gem

    AI with AI's rebroadcast 'A.I.

    May 28, 2021·36m·2 clips
  55. 55

    Doggone

    Hidden gem

    AI with AI opens with Andy Lachinsky on CNA Talks and a weekly roundup that jumps from ai.org and a White House AI clearinghouse to a U.S.

    May 21, 2021·40m·2 clips
  56. 56

    Superhumans

    May 14, 2021·15m
  57. 57

    Mnemosyne That Before

    May 7, 2021·37m
  58. 58

    Xen and the Art of Motorcell Maintenance

    Apr 30, 2021·40m
  59. 59

    Donkey Pong

    Apr 23, 2021·39m
  60. 60

    Xenomania

    Apr 16, 2021·37m
  61. 61

    Guise of the Machines

    Apr 9, 2021·36m
  62. 62

    The Earth Dies Dreaming

    Apr 2, 2021·37m
  63. 63

    Diplomachine

    Mar 26, 2021·33m
  64. 64

    Datalore SemaFor

    Mar 19, 2021·33m
  65. 65

    Schrödinger's Slime Mold

    Mar 12, 2021·35m
  66. 66

    The Little Ingenuity That Could

    Mar 5, 2021·38m
  67. 67

    The Low-Res Valley

    Feb 26, 2021·37m
  68. 68

    D.E.R.Y.L.

    Feb 19, 2021·35m
  69. 69

    Tempus Fluit

    Feb 12, 2021·36m
  70. 70

    Sokoban, and Thanks for All the Fish!

    Feb 5, 2021·37m
  71. 71

    How Machines Judge Humans

    Jan 29, 2021·40m
  72. 72

    The Persistence of Memor-E

    Jan 22, 2021·44m
  73. 73

    Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

    Jan 15, 2021·36m
  74. 74

    Pork Rewinds

    Jan 8, 2021·39m
  75. 75

    The 4-Bit Blopera

    Jan 1, 2021·35m
  76. 76

    The Final Sunbrawler

    Hidden gem

    Josh Bongard describes AI-designed xenobots whose shapes accommodate heart muscle cells beating independently, comparing the challenge to building a boat for unsynchronized rowers.

    Dec 25, 2020·44m·2 clips
  77. 77

    Will You, Won't You Join the DANs?

    Dec 18, 2020·39m
  78. 78

    Poetein Folding

    Dec 11, 2020·33m
  79. 79

    Underbyte

    Dec 4, 2020·33m
  80. 80

    A.I. in the Sky

    Nov 20, 2020·36m
  81. 81

    The Rosetta Drone

    Nov 13, 2020·34m
  82. 82

    Thunderbots

    Nov 6, 2020·27m
  83. 83

    Lone Hacker and Child

    Oct 30, 2020·32m
  84. 84

    PROGRESS Out of the Blue

    Oct 23, 2020·36m
  85. 85

    The Robohattan Project

    Oct 16, 2020·36m
  86. 86

    Tell-Tale Heart

    Oct 9, 2020·26m
  87. 87

    the social bot network

    Oct 2, 2020·19m
  88. 88

    CONSORTing with the GPT

    Sep 25, 2020·37m
  89. 89

    [Abstraction Intensifies]

    Sep 18, 2020·37m
  90. 90

    Some Pigsel

    Sep 11, 2020·42m
  91. 91

    Rebroadcast: What is AI?

    Hidden gem

    A July 8, 1958 New York Times report predicted a computer that could reproduce itself and become conscious, illustrating Andy Ilachinski's account of recurring AI expectations.

    Sep 4, 2020·45m·2 clips
  92. 92

    Highway to the Danger Zone

    Aug 28, 2020·18m
  93. 93

    Elementary, Dear GPT

    Aug 21, 2020·44m
  94. 94

    Bots Behaving Badly

    Aug 7, 2020·38m
  95. 95

    Remember, Remember, the Fakes of November

    Aug 7, 2020·39m
  96. 96

    Atlas Surveilled

    Jul 31, 2020·40m
  97. 97

    Life Is Like a Box of Matrices

    Jul 24, 2020·37m
  98. 98

    A Tesseract to Follow

    Jul 17, 2020·40m
  99. 99

    Crime & Publishment

    Jul 10, 2020·39m
  100. 100

    Dust in the Mind

    Jul 3, 2020·32m