Your Undivided Attention · The Center for Humane Technology, Tristan Harris, Daniel Barcay and Aza Raskin
The Crisis That United Humanity—and Why It Matters for AI
September 11, 2025·52 min·4 clips
Americans abandoned spray cans, forcing powerful chemical companies to confront the ozone crisis.
As heard by us
A steady case for public pressure as a driver of AI governance.
The episode treats the ozone hole as a clear frame for thinking about AI governance, and that choice gives the discussion real weight. Susan's account of Antarctica, the measurements, and the surprise of finding a hole nobody expected keeps the story grounded in lived experience…
Why you'd press play
A grounded ozone-to-AI lens when you want policy, public pressure, and civic action, not panic or spectacle.
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