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Boeing & Intel don’t fight INDUSTRIAL POLICY 260114

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A $2 shoe can retail for $200 in the United States, so tariffs hit the factory cost, not the final price.

Episode 507 opens on industrial policy. Pagliano is not asking whether it is good, bad, anti-Austrian, or hostile to free trade. His market question is simpler: where can policy turn into profits? He splits the policy in two. One side limits countries selling into the U.S. market. The other limits U.S. technology leaving the country, and he thinks investors miss that half because tariffs get all the noise. To him, the national security logic matters. Then he moves to consumption. The United States, in his view, is still the final value-add market where companies get the richest last transaction. He pushes aside purchasing power comparisons and wants nominal dollars, actual consumer spending, and the scoreboard manufacturers can cash in on. China's export strength looks inflated to him, partly because goods move through places like Vietnam before ending up with U.S. buyers. The population argument does not move him much either. Three billion people matter less than what those people spend in markets where companies earn real margins. His sharp comparison is Elon Musk. Shared basics can make two consumers look equal on paper, but spending power and product mix are not close. That is the investing hinge. If the U.S. consumer is still the main profit pool, then betting against the United States or its industrial policy looks backward to him. He closes with blocs forming again: Chinese markets on one side, the U.S. and its allies on the other.

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A blunt industrial policy argument that treats U.S. consumption as the real scoreboard.

John Pagliano treats industrial policy like a balance sheet, not a civics lesson. He links tariffs and limits on U.S. technology into one argument, then keeps bringing the focus back to where the money lands: the last buyer, the U.S.

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If you want an industrial-policy thesis that turns straight into market positioning and a don't-fight-the-trend mindset.

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